MSNBC just a moment ago: Rev. Joseph Lowrey (UMC), who is giving benediction at inaguration says....

[JVS]

he supports Civil Unions, not Gay marriage.

[Clovis Sangrail]

1. CRUCIFY HIM!!!!

[yardwork]

8. That's a very violent response against a black minister. Are you racist?

Why would you suggest killing a black minister? All caps, too. That's very disturbing.

[Clovis Sangrail]

26. Obviously

my xenophobia is rivaled only by my homophobia.. which is really more accurately described as mysogynophobia.

I've always thought though, that this really is nothing more than an offshoot of an early onset of nocturaphobia combined with a chance encounter of an agoraphobic who started shrieking hysterically.
Unfortunately this led to my own agoraphobia which, I suppose, is really the root of most of my other phobias.

thank Artemis I have yet to develop siphonophobia

[ecstatic]

45. LOL! nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

21. this is why i dont believe that any of you defenders of rick warren have been hearing us

there is a difference in the bigotry perpetrated by people who support civil unions and those who liken us to pedophiles

i am also pretty sure this pastor doesnt throw gay people out of church

[Clovis Sangrail]

27. HEY! I'm a "defender of rick warren" !!!

that is SOOO cool that you figured that out before me.

you kick ASS!!!
:applause:

so umm.. money's been kinda tight lately and I could really use your .. ahem .. "advice" on who might be a good bet for the Rose Bowl
:eyes:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

30. so what was your crucify him supposed to indicate?

[Clovis Sangrail]

31. that he should be ...CRUCIFIED!!! duh

how is that an indication that I'm a defender of Rick Warren?

I didn't think I was a defender of Pastor Rick... but I'm going to trust in your mind reading skills and assume that I am.
Do you think I should go out to that Saddleback place (or Brokeback or Gimmeback or whatever it was called) to pay homage to good ol Rick?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

32. yeah sure, whatever

:eyes:

[Clovis Sangrail]

33. WAIT!!! I STILL NEED YOUR MIND READING SECRETS!!!!

:rofl:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

34. yeah and i still 'need' your stupidity. nt

[Clovis Sangrail]

41. hmmm... now I'm thinking you *can't really read minds...

I'm starting to think that you were just judging me based on preconceived notions because I was different from you
... sorta like the people that get all weirded out about gay marriage ...

isn't that kind of a fucked up thing to do?

:shrug:

[PVnRT]

48. No, you're just another rebel without a clue

[Clovis Sangrail]

58. aren't you the clever one!

or is it just that you imagine yourself to be clever while aping that which you claim to hate ?

ASS-U ming that somebody thinks a certain way, based on flimsy to no evidence, so they must belong to some group you've decided to hate is what led to Iraq.
It's the exact sort of thing that gets people gay bashed and causes racial epithets (then fists) to fly.
"I already know what that guy/gal is about... fuck them"

It's the sort of thing you tend to expect from Hannity et al but it's pretty sad to see it so much at DU lately.
Thankfully, I'm confident it will eventually pass.. it always does.

In the mean time, people who make absolutely no sense, and refuse to even try to join the real world, are worthy of ridicule.
They deserve responses that are equally detached from reality as their own insular views.

ya know ... keep the idiots running around in circles...
they're less dangerous and more amusing that way.

:evilgrin:

[Blarch]

52. It's way over their heads.

Don't waste your time.

[ellisonz]

47. ...

:popcorn:

[rpannier]

2. And I have no problem saying it...

He's wrong.

And he should be taken to task for it.

No one is immune from criticism

[CreekDog]

3. I guess who we talk about next week is pretty much settled

:eyes: :hide:

[Kahuna]

10. It'll be a change at least..

:shrug:

[DemBones DemBones]

12. There is that. nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

42. .....

:rofl:

Poor Dr. Lowery, my heart goes out to him. He doesn't know what he's in for. :popcorn:

[spiritual_gunfighter]

4. He also said that what Warren says about homosexuality is wrong

and he doesn't agree. Are we all going to crucify Obama now because he believes in civil unions too, oh wait we already are.

[JVS]

5. Yes. The fundamental thrust of the interview was his criticism of Warren's position.

[JuniperLea]

6. This isn't about the thought police

AFAIC I don't care what someone believes, as long as they don't let their beliefs get in the way of truth and fairness toward all people. I think Obama has what it takes to keep his beliefs and fairness separate. His going along with this ill-conceived tradition of having a Christian minister pray over a government function is bullshit, but it's not bullshit of his own making. I just wish he'd wise up.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

36. I agree

as a devout athiest the last thing I want to see is Jesus center stage at any venue. So I agree with you fully.

[No Elephants]

7. Everybody's been saying that honoring Lowery cancelled out honoring Warren bc

Lowery is so pro-gay.

urns out Lowery is not for equal rights for gays, after all. Yet, the posters who said honoring Lowery cancelled out honoring Warren still see no problem.

Go figure.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

9. Even if he were fully for marriage equality it still wouldn't cancel out Warren.

It's a stupid construct. People don't 'cancel out' other people. Besides, the anti-gay bigotry is just one of the many problems with Pastor Rick.

[rpannier]

13. That's a good point

It's kind of like saying it's ok to eat a whole box of Oreo cookies because you're drinking zero calorie soda with them.

[Clovis Sangrail]

28. I think the problems with Pastor Rick spring from the "Pastor" part. /nt

[mondo joe]

39. Correct. Slap a woman, and then kiss her on the cheek. As if he latter canceled the

former.

[kiva]

11. It seemed that Rev. Lowrey was very careful in his words.

The interviewer (not sure, don't usually watch him) said something to the effect that Lowrey supported gay rights, including marriage. Lowrey responded that he had never SAID that he supported gay marriage, and that his views were more traditional.

He seemed very careful not say that he didn't BELIEVE in gay marriage, though I have no idea what his personal beliefs are on the topic. He certainly didn't say anything that might be construed as criticism about gay marriage. I know that's not what we want to hear, but he's definitely not Rick Warren.

[AtomicKitten]

14. yep - he clung to the canard that marriage is between a man and a woman

Whatever the hell that means. Seriously, who says? They speak with such authority on the subject but I want a damn link. I want them to acknowledge they have pulled that notion completely out of their butts.

[kiva]

16. Yes, he was very polite and respectful,

but Lowery was also specific that he has never said that he supports gay marriage.

[AtomicKitten]

17. I was rather surprised that that's the case because that's not what I had read beforehand.

:(

[Egnever]

15. Seee obama is a homophobe!

I told you so!

Oh wait no I didnt.

[Bluebear]

18. Would you care one way or the other?

[Egnever]

19. Sure I wouldnt have supported him if I thought he was,

Would you care if his last name was clinton?

[Bluebear]

20. LOL

[Egnever]

22. Back at ya

PUMA Lives!

[Bluebear]

24. Piss off with your PUMA, I was not a Clinton voter

And since you think gay rights are "people's special little agendas", even more of a FU and /ignore

[Egnever]

25. Aww ill miss ya!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[mondo joe]

38. No? Who would you have supported?

[boppers]

35. I'm willing to say it.

Both Obama and Clinton are on record as saying that gay people should have less rights than everybody else has.

I think that stance is wrong, and homophobic.

Hopefully, we can all work together to help change their beliefs.

[cali]

51. If they're homophobes, they're bigots and you're suggesting reaching out to bigots

that makes you complicit in bigotry. At least according to one narrative.

[bluedawg12]

56. The bigots are reaching out to us!

>>Of course, as we pointed out last week, both the Family Research Council and Focus on the Family were thrilled with the announcement that Warren was to be part of the Inauguration ... that that list we can also add Richard Land:

Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, applauded Obama for choosing Warren.

"I'm encouraged that President-elect Obama would select Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at his inauguration," Land told Baptist Press. "First, it is a signal that President-elect Obama is going to employ a big-tent philosophy in his administration's approach to people who may disagree with them on some issues, but not others. His selection of Rick Warren indicates that people who disagree with the president-elect on sanctity of life issues are not automatically persona non grata at the White House in an Obama administration. It also indicates that the president-elect is not buying the radical homosexual activists' argument that anyone who opposes them on the gay marriage issue should be ostracized as a bigot."<< credit: rightwingwatch.org

[mondo joe]

37. Well he is. An inconvenient truth, but nothing to be done about that. NT

[La Lioness Priyanka]

23. disappointing but not infuriating or particularly hurtful. hopefully one can tell

why rick warren is different from lowery

[bluedawg12]

57. Some people can't tell the difference between Warren and Lowery

and insist on a moral equivalence in having them both there, as if one cancels out the other.

[rug]

29. All righty, then, he's just like Warren.

[mondo joe]

40. Not surprising. But he's still not as directly offensive as Warren. NT

[AntiFascist]

43. Well he's not America's Pastor...

and he's probably a Marxist anyway. :sarcasm:

[Silent3]

44. Invocation, benediction...

...this is the President of country with a secular government being sworn in, not a Pope, right?

[lynne]

46. Lowery is a United Methodist minister and must adhere to the UMC -

- Book of Discipline when it comes to his public opinion on such topics. The UMC church as a body does not support gay marriage.

[Critters2]

55. Yep, this is why I'm grateful to be in a church that allows for freedom of conscience. nt

[flpoljunkie]

49. Here's the video of Rev. Lowery yesterday on 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/28371457#28371457

In it Reverend Joseph Lowery says he 'has some diffculty with the term 'gay marriage' and that 'deeply rooted in his hearts he associates marriage with a man and a woman,' and he had 'a bit of a culture shock' with that (gay marriage) while professing that he supports civil unions with all the rights of marriage.

I think what Rev. Lowery said is helpful. "Gay marriage' is a culture shock for many people, but I think Rev. Lowery will get there-unlike many in the religious right--most likely including Pastor Rick Warren. I thought it was interesting Rev. Lowery did not use his name, only called Warren 'the pastor.' Perhaps he momentarily forgot.

[Freddie Stubbs]

50. So, he agrees with President-elect Obama on this issue

[Laughing Mirror]

53. Sorry Rev

Close, but no cigar.

[Critters2]

54. Not a surprise. On this issue, the UMC and SBC have exactly the same policy.

Methodists like to claim otherwise, but the fact is that UMC clergy can be prosecuted for supporting marriage equality. On other issues--ordination of women, etc--the UMC is more liberal. But on marriage and ordination of gays, Rev. Lowery's church and Rev. Warren's church hold identical positions.