Do you ever feel like you are in the movie "Groundhog Day" when you come here to DU?

[ddeclue]

Clearly the GLBT community has just cause to be upset but ranting about it here over and over again everyday to the DU community which is by and large on their side already changes nothing - it just creates Warren fatigue...

Why not take this rant to the local LTTE or Op-Ed section instead or take it to Barack Obama's transition website or protest it on inauguration day? i.e. if you'll pardon the pun "preach" to the unconverted on this please... As for Warren speaking at the Inauguration, as much as I dislike the choice, it's clearly over - the decision's been made and Obama is sticking to it. One thing is for certain: You aren't going to change it by protesting here.

There are plenty of problems in the world and Ric Warren speaking at the Inauguration is just but one of them. Can we finally change the subject please? (And this goes for previous prolonged topics like Hillary as SoS, Blago, and Caroline in the Senate too...)

...

[Buzz Clik]

1. They say our love won't pay the rent...

[ddeclue]

4. as in Sonny and Cher?

:shrug:

Pardon my density but I don't get your point...

:shrug:

I've got you babe...

[Buzz Clik]

52. Dude! If this were Jeopardy, it would be a $100 answer:

"This song played every morning at 6 am in the movie Groundhog Day"

"What is "I've got you babe', Alex?"

[ddeclue]

53. DOHHHH!!!

I totally forgot that part with the clock....

I mostly think about all the ways he tried to off himself and the scene in the diner etc.

[Buzz Clik]

56. It was on the tube yesterday. I clearly had the advantage in this one...

[Horselover Fat]

99. Watch out or that frist step...it's a doooozy!!

[pipi_k]

101. Favorite quote

from the movie...


"What if there is no tomorrow? There wasn't one today!"


:7

[Horselover Fat]

107. or maybe... "Don't drive angry!"

[Bluebear]

2. >which is by and large on their side<

OK.

[Umbram]

3. Yes, I do.

Because I also constantly see OPs asking everyone to change the subject. So...yea, you are contributing to the redundancy problem.

[ddeclue]

8. Perhaps because these are REACTIONS to someone else who is being redundant...

if we could just change the subject then we could stop asking to do so.. Actually this is the first time I've asked to change the subject but I think after a whole week of this we all get the argument and every nuance...it's a dead horse yet DU'ers keep beating it as though it might suddenly get back up..

[Umbram]

9. And I suppose...

you've seen the "We're here and we won't go away" "Stop trying to shut us up!" threads.

So, now we have reactions to reactions to reactions.

Positive feedback loop anybody?

[ddeclue]

22. We apparently have at least one thing in common...

are you an engineer too?

[Umbram]

39. Nope.

Just a curious person.

[Vanje]

42. I posted a very simple statement:

We're queer
We're here
Get used to it

A very simple statement. Are there facts in question? How could one argue?
Yet, 5 of 11 responses to the OP, were in oposition to it.

I am quite floored.

[ddeclue]

45. Hey and I'm already used to it...for a long time now...

so there's nothing for me to get "used to"...

It's arrogant and condescending of you to use such a chant on a bunch of people who already accept you and support your cause. Save it for someone who doesn't.

Doug D.

[truedelphi]

112. Actually, you can blame me. I remember asking the Divine

If she couldn't somehow put an end to the endless Palin topics, oh about seven weeks ago or so.

And apparently Her Divineness has finally gotten around to my humble request.

[bunnies]

5. This is a perfect example of why DUs LGBT community is so outraged.

FFS. Did you even read what you wrote?!

Walk a mile, ddeclue. Walk a mile.

[ddeclue]

10. FFS???

As for "walk a mile"... we all have some cross to bear... so don't lecture me about walking a mile in your shoes.. that is rather arrogant and condescending to assume that you are the only person to have problems in this world and that yours will automatically worse than mine.

:eyes:

[Bluebear]

13. "we all have some cross to bear" - Your empathy shines!

[ddeclue]

21. What do you know of my "empathy"?

You are quick to judge someone you know nothing about yet you are upset that others judge you?

Do you not see the hypocrisy in that?

:eyes:

[Bluebear]

23. Thank you for using quotation marks on "empathy", I did forget that detail.

[bunnies]

24. Get a hold of yourself, sunshine.

I didnt say MY shoes - did I? No. In fact, I didnt say any ONE of the things youre freaking out over. Dont let that stop you from attacking me though. Compassion obviously isnt your strong point.

[Bluebear]

26. So how long were YOU without power?

Four days for me, I will never take electricity for granted again!

[ddeclue]

31. If you want to make jokes like that...

I was without power for 11 days in 2004 when I was hit by 3 hurricanes inside of 6 weeks in Orlando... I bought a generator but it didn't run the A/C...

I'm unemployed... third time in a year... I spend my time worrying about whether I can pay the rent and whether I'll have a place to live next month... yes I'm one powerful dude...

:eyes:

[Bluebear]

33. What is your major malfunction? It was not a "joke", the poster I was addressing lives near me

I was asking how long she was without power. Sheesh.

[1monster]

121. Twenty-one days during that same period and we got high winds and rain

from four hurricanes here.

Our generator was not working, so we didn't even have a fan. I had bread dough in the freezer... It exploded. By the time we had power back so I could clean it up, it was like dried glue...


I hope you are able to find a job that won't quit on you (and that pays a living wage) ASAP. Living in the tourist driven world has its very scary economical moments.

[bunnies]

36. Hey Bluebear! If you can believe it...

we didnt lose power AT ALL. It flickered all of 1 time. I still dont know how that happened. People on either side of us - downtown Dover on one side - grocery stores on the other - they were all without power for days. Somehow, we lucked out.

Did you hear about the guy who got arrested for chasing down a PSNH truck?!

4 days without power. Man. I dont know how you did it.

[Bluebear]

41. Good for you!

I did *not* hear about the man chasing the PSNH truck, wow.

I got through it, just kept taking cold sponge baths and putting on more and more cologne lol!

[bunnies]

48. lol. Oh - I can totally relate...

We went a whole winter, a few years back, with no heat at all. We owed them a grand and they shut us off. Boiling water on the stove just to take a "bath". Its amazing what a good deodorant can do! :rofl:

Heres a link to the PSNH story. Crazy stuff. - http://www.wmur.com/news/18301850/detail.html

[kdmorris]

54. I don't know how you guys can go without power when it's cold

I went without power for a grand total of 22 days in 2004 and 2005 due to hurricanes, but it was hot here (well, not after Wilma). Of course I had water that I could cool myself down with and ice. I can't imagine living with no heat in the cold.

[bunnies]

61. Its a real test of willpower. Thats for sure.

We went november to march without heat (gas) - but we still had electricity - so at least we could plug in a space heater... even though we had no hot water. But no electricity - thats a whole different thing. The longest I've gone is three days, in the summer. 80 degrees and 90% humidity. It was hell.

I'd have rather been us with no heat than you without electricity for 22 days. Wow. Goes to show what we all get accustomed to. :hi:

[1monster]

122. How 'bout you switch shoes with ddeclue and walk a mile yourself?

Or better still, switch shoes with me and I'll walk a mile in yours while you walk a mile in mine.

I'm willing to bet you will be begging for your shoes back after a quarter of a mile...

But you know what? I'm not all that gung-ho on marriage anyway. Maybe I won't give you your shoes back. }(

[Vanje]

6. Yes! Its just like Groundhog day.

.......and heres yet another 'Jeez, cant those gays just shut up!' post.

Its never ending!

[ddeclue]

14. NOPE - NOT what I said...

Can you not read what I wrote or do you just want to spin it your way in disregard of what I wrote?

I'm just pointing out that your whole protest would be so much more effective if you took it to the general public instead of preaching to the choir.

BIG difference. I'm ENCOURAGING you to protest - but please do it where it matters instead of trying to convert the already converted...

:eyes:

[Vanje]

35. Sorry. My mistake

I thought THIS was what I'd read:

"Clearly the GLBT community has just cause to be upset but ranting about it here over and over again everyday to the DU community which is by and large on their side already changes nothing - it just creates Warren fatigue..."

[ddeclue]

43. It IS what you read... what part don't you get...

Why can't you take YES for an answer? Do you really think there is someone here who's mind you are going to change after a whole week on the topic?

Being EFFECTIVE politically means changing the UNDECIDED vote - it doesn't mean wasting your time on the hard core opponents OR the hard core supporters. DU is full of your hard core supporters. They are already ON YOUR side.

:eyes:

[John Q. Citizen]

7. No, I don't. Never.

[IndianaGreen]

11. We did, but all we heard from the Obama transition is the sound of crickets

I am sorry if LGBT rights, which are human rights, are so inconvenient. Your complain reminds me of those that harped at the seemingly endless Florida recount in 2000. Well, you know what happened after we "got over it." Tens of thousands dead, two million displaced, a country destroyed and another one bankrupted.

As to Groundhog Day analogy (I love that movie) consider this: Clinton gave us DOMA, we got Prop 8 and Warren's invocation as salt on our wounds. Clinton gave us DADT, and Democratic leaders are now saying that repeal of DADT has been put on the back burner indefinitely.

We have been down this path before!

[Bluebear]

16. "We all have some cross to bear"

:crazy:

[IndianaGreen]

19. Or Star of David in my case

:eyes:

[ddeclue]

27. Nice!

Thanks...

[ddeclue]

25. You then live in some kind of fantasy land if you think that you are the only person with problems..

we are ALL human, NONE of us are perfect, NONE of us have perfect trouble free lives...

:crazy:

[Bluebear]

28. I know I'm not the only one with problems, yet the problems of others trouble me.It's called empathy

[ddeclue]

37. And they trouble ME too...I spoke out against Amendment 2 here in FL

and worked to get Dems out to vote against it.

My point is that there is talking and doing... doing is a lot more meaningful than talking. Moreover talking in cyberspace is usually a lot less effective than talking at someone's door or on TV or radio - particularly when you are talking to a crowd of like minded people who already agree with you.

[ddeclue]

20. But did protesting the Florida recount here in cyberspace amongst supporters

who agreed with you change ANYTHING?

NO...

Protesting is cyberspace is damned near useless and damned near invisible.

It's a meaningless echo chamber if nobody but the already true believers are listening.

Your protest needs to be in public - not in cyberspace.

:eyes:

[IndianaGreen]

29. I am hoping the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence crash Warren's invocation

It would be great guerrilla theatre!

[ddeclue]

34. Sounds fine by me...

I also like the idea of people turning their backs on the man when he speaks... I think that would say a lot and be a lot more effective than anything written here in the last few days...

[pipi_k]

105. But see, it makes too much sense to do that....

just like when people in my family call me up and complain about this or that person making their lives miserable.

How is complaining to ME going to change anything?

If you want to make real change, talk to the people who are doing shit you don't like. The collective "you", I mean...


You make a real good point in your OP. Gays need to stop preaching to the choir...i.e. the people at DU who, even though they might not be as outraged as the GLBT community is over Rick Warren, still support their full rights.

What the hell is that going to change?

Not a damned thing.

Nor will refusing to hold an Inauguration party (like I saw one person saying...). Yeah...that'll teach 'em a lesson! :eyes:

Write letters...go on the radio...if they're going to the Inauguration, turn their backs on Warren when he speaks...

Ranting about it here is going to change absolutely NOTHING.

[Vanje]

44. Sweet!

Thad be sweet

[kdmorris]

47. I protested publicly

There was no DU at that time. DU was started BECAUSE of the 2000 debacle. I went to the Palm Beach County Municipal Center every day and screamed my brains out. I wrote to my Senators and my Congressman.

And it didn't do any good. The Supreme Court overruled me.

After DU was started, I came here to voice my pain, to share with other like-minded people the agony of our loss.

All your posts are doing is showing everyone how little empathy you have for their pain. Who says they are not also protesting in public? Just because YOU want them to sit down and shut up doesn't mean we all do.

[ddeclue]

49. Again putting words into my mouth I didn't say.

Nor do you know anything of my "empathy".

As I've said elsewhere in this thread I would LOVE to see a thread on Warren that started:

"Pics of our protest in Milwaukee" or "My LTTE to the Washington Post" or My OpEd in the Houston Chronicle...

THOSE would be politically effective efforts.

What I don't like (and NOT specfically on this topic but generally) are people who think being active in cyber-space really matters a whole hell of a lot or somehow makes up for being active in the real world.

I would argue that if the people you claim are "active" in the real world they'd be talking about THAT instead of giving me the same old same old every single day here trying to convince me of something I'm already convinced of. You don't need to convince ME.. you need to convince the middle third of this country not the progressive third that is already on your side.

[kdmorris]

51. Who are you to say?

Who are you to say what people SHOULD talk about?

"I would argue that if the people you claim are "active" in the real world they'd be talking about THAT... "

Are you serious? I didn't come to DU in 2001 and talk about my protesting of the election, with pictures (for one thing, I didn't take any damn pictures. I was ANGRY and left the camera at home). I came here to talk about the LOSS. Did you even READ what I wrote?

I came to DU to talk about the LOSS, not about what we had done to try to stop it. It is not for YOU, one lone person posting on this board, to tell others what they are allowed to talk about. It is disgusting to me that you would even post this.

It's OK to talk about protesting Warren. Pictures would be even better. But they can't talk about the LOSS or the PAIN or the feelings of betrayal? You are a piece of work.

[ddeclue]

55. That's called "complaining" not "protest".

complaining is a waste of bandwidth...it doesn't change anything...

PROTEST where it matters - IN PUBLIC not cyberspace if you want to actually change anything and solve problems - don't "complain" to your friends who already agree with you.

You can complain to me forever and nothing will change except that I will get tired of listening to you after a while.

[kdmorris]

59. Again, you didn't address the question

Who are you to say what people can and cannot do? Who are you to decide what is a waste of bandwidth?

That is called "opinion" not "fact".

I submit that you can't get tired of listening to it because it doesn't seem like you've actually listened at all.

[ddeclue]

60. I'm ME and I'm entitled to tell people what I think...

about their complaining as much as they do to complain.

I've listened and I've listened and I'm tired of 600 threads clogging up the board on the same topic.

Don't like it?

Too bad...

That's my opinion and you're entitled to MY opinion if you think I'm somehow entitled to have to listen to YOUR opinion day after day.

:eyes:

[kdmorris]

66. Oh, that is priceless

You aren't telling people what you THINK. You are telling them what they can SAY, and what would be acceptable, IN YOUR EYES, for them to post on this topic. You are, in effect, censoring them, while they are just posting. They are NOT telling you what you are allowed to say.

You started this thread, which, in effect, created ANOTHER post about this issue, while saying the whole time that you are tired of people talking about this issue. You are actually baiting people, making a point that YOU are the one that knows what's best for us and for DU.

You just need some attention or something?

Edited to add: if you don't want to read it, use the Hide Thread feature. It's there for people like you.

[ddeclue]

70. No I'm NOT TELLING them what they can say.. I'm telling you

how I feel about what they are saying and pointing out that it is preaching to the choir and that your efforts would be better spent elsewhere preaching to the unconverted...

What is priceless is YOU reading things into the post that were never there...

:eyes:

[kdmorris]

75. "I've listened and I've listened and I'm tired of 600 threads clogging up the board on the..."

same topic.

Those are your words, yes? Sounds like you are just tired of reading it, want them to stop posting it and let you have DU your way. That is telling them what they can post and where (I believe you suggested that they should write to the newspaper and leave DU alone, as well)

If DU was actually "the choir", then this wouldn't have been going on as long. The lack of empathy I've seen on DU for the GLBT community has been astounding, and much of it sounds EXACTLY like the "unconverted". And it happens after EVERY election cycle. Find some of the posts from back in 2004 and you will see that this same thing happened (except that Kerry's loss was blamed on gays).

They are NOT preaching to the choir. Use the damned "Hide Thread" feature if you don't want to read it. It was put in for people like you.

[ddeclue]

79. Nope you confuse my being tired of seeing the same thing day after day

with me telling you what you can or can't write. I have no such power. As far as I know only the mods and/or Skinner have that privilege.

and YES - DU IS the choir. If you don't get that then you will never be successful in politics.

Show me where there are more than a handful of pro-Warren threads on this subject if you can. Well more than 90% are "choir" threads.

It IS preaching to the choir and I'm NOT obligated to "hide" threads and I'm certainly entitled to voice my opinion on thread fatigue as I see fit.

Doug D.

[kdmorris]

84. And I am entitled to tell YOU what I think of your post on "thread fatigue"

Well, I can't tell you exactly how I feel about it because then my thread would be deleted.

I'm not going to go look stuff up for you and post a bunch of links. You should be a big boy or girl now and be able to do it on your own. I did not say you were obligated to hide threads. But neither are we obligated to avoid topics that you don't want to hear anything else about. Every thread has at least a couple people that pop in and say that they don't want to hear anything more about it, that Obama is above reproach, that we shouldn't be upset by his choices. But Obama chose a misogynist anti-Semitic homophobe to do his prayer at the national function. And that pretty much sucks.

I'm not trying to be successful in politics, you idiot. I'm posting on an INTERNET board. But DU is NOT the choir. It's much, much more moderate than it was in 2001.

[ddeclue]

87. You are NOT trying to be successful in politics?

:shrug:

Would you rather achieve your objectives or complain about them?

I'd rather achieve my objectives.

[kdmorris]

90. And you are not complaining?

No, I'm not trying to be successful in politics. I'm trying to change people's minds about a basic civil rights issue. Equal rights for all humans, regardless of their sexual orientation, gender, religion, country of birth, color of skin or any other characteristic is not a political issue. It is a human rights issue.

[ddeclue]

88. Complain away.. this is my last post of the day and I'm going to dinner now...

:)

[Vanje]

102. Has he heard of the "ignore thread" feature?

The "ignore" feature for individual posters, he may no longer want to hear from?

[kdmorris]

115. He/she stated that they shouldn't be obligated to

use such a feature. That was in reference to the "Hide Thread" feature.

[leftstreet]

12. "Can't teh gayz just shut up?" Post #12,564,344,998,000 n/t

[ddeclue]

17. Umm NOPE..

What I said if you bothered to actually read it is protest where it matters - with the general public whose mind is not made up. It does no good repeating yourself over and over to people who already agree with you. What's the matter can't take "yes" for an answer?

:eyes:

[noamnety]

30. So it's more of a NIMBY STFU post?

We can complain, but you'll let us know when and where and for how long we should do it?

Sweet.

[ddeclue]

40. No it's a we've already heard it and we already agree with you

and why can't you take YES for an answer already post...

:eyes:

[Buzz Clik]

57. No shit.

[Vanje]

103. "Ignore thread"

Learn it.
Use it.

[Starry Messenger]

15. I do when I see posts like these.

[ProSense]

18. "Hillary as SoS"

I remember being lambasted for posting four news items and an opinion piece (five pieces) over a 10-day period on Hillary's impending appointment.

There are more than 600 threads, with more than 25 each by certain posters, on Warren over the last week alone.

[CATagious]

32. I agree with the OP!

DU has been my refuge of solace the past 8 years but now, at the dawn of a new era that we should be celebrating, it is ALL Warren, ALL the time. I now need a refuge from my refuge.

[Laurab]

111. I do, too!

I no longer check DU everyday, because it's become like a soap opera, with the same things posted over and over - I left for 3 days, came back, and it didn't look any different.

I don't believe that these posts will change anything. I don't agree with the selection of Warren, either, but I am SO tired of coming to DU and seeing "ALL Warren, ALL the time".

I have tons of empathy and compassion, or so I've been told by many people. I have a gay brother whom I love dearly (who, in fact, is not even as outraged as I am over the choice of Warren), and lots of gay friends. I believe in equal rights for everyone. I don't believe that posting the same thing over and over again on a discussion board will do a damn bit of good.

I don't know why Obama made the choice, and he's getting well-deserved flack for it, but it's obvious that he's not going to change his mind. Our voices SHOULD be heard about this, but I think there are many other things going on, as well, and I also agree that people ARE "preaching to the choir" for the most part on here. I don't understand it. We are all on the same side - or most of us, anyway. I am not someone who thinks "gays should just shut up and go away", but I've seen so many people being accused of being that now that I really haven't posted anything in days, but just keep waiting for it to be over.

An Inauguration is a show - it lasts one day. A bad choice was made. I agree, but I would like to see Obama get down to the business of governing, and can't wait to see bush and cheney slink out the door, and nothing is going to take the joy away from that moment for me. I'll skip that part of the Inauguration, the equivalent of turning my back on the idiot Warren, but I am not going to let it spoil the fact that the two men I wanted most to win the election, won, and will begin leading our country on that day.

[AntiFascist]

38. You don't seem to notice the progress which is being made...

yes there are quite a few DUers who are upset by these posts and complaing about them, but there are many others who are beginning to express their support and understanding the issues better. We are also refining our arguments against Warren. You are free to post threads on other subjects, nobody is stopping you. DU has never been about any single subject.

[ddeclue]

46. I really haven't noticed any significant number of Pro-Warren threads

so I don't really see how it moves anything forward or how you are convincing the already convinced DU community...

I would love to see threads on this subject that said:

My LTTE to the Chicago Tribune...

or

My Op-Ed in the Atlanta Journal

or

My pics of our protest in Atlanta, Milwaukee, etc...

THAT would be far more politically meaningful in terms of convincing the general public or convincing Barack Obama.

Truthfully I don't see Obama changing his choice - the best outcome would be Ric Warren changing his opinion at this point and apologizing for previous comments.

Doug D.

[Vanje]

50. Is there any specific thing stopping you...

from making the kinds of posts you'd like to see here?

[ddeclue]

58. Other than that...

I think they would me more effective coming from you.

:)

[EFerrari]

62. Why are you framing this as a gay issue?

This huckster that Obama chose is just as horrible to women. He's horrible to Jews. And he believes his radical right wing Christian cult should control the government.

Having to repeat this over and over, yes, it does feel like Ground Hog Day.

[ddeclue]

63. I'm NOT framing the argument.. the GLBT community is...

Show me some posts from a Jewish or feminist point of view....I've yet to see one...

It would at least be refreshing and new here if feminists took up the subject or the Jewish community - that would at least be DIFFERENT than the same old post day after day...

Doug D.

[EFerrari]

68. The GLBT community speaks for itself. It doesn't speak for anyone else.

So, let me get this straight. The information about Warren is available even to someone like me. But YOU want feminist and Jewish groups to mail you personally?

[ddeclue]

73. Ummm no... I'm saying that a Jewish or feminist OP about Warren would at least be NEW to me...

and perhaps you ought to consider that part of being politically effective is building alliances and getting others to speak out from a different point of view on behalf of the issue.

Doug D.

[EFerrari]

77. Then you must have a broken arm that prevents you

from getting informed on your own.

Because this train wreck depends on an informed populace, not on whiners.

[ddeclue]

80. OK...then by your own argument you should stop "informing" us of anything

and let us figure it out for ourselves....

Hows THAT deal for YOU???

:eyes:

[EFerrari]

92. Doesn't follow. You're sitting here whining about the gay community

when the facts are already in: Warren has publicly and on the record been just as horrible to women, Jews and our secular democracy.

I believe in our 1st Amendment right to whine and exercise it often myself. But, seriously, if you think this is a "gay" issue, you're buying into the triangulation.

[TK421]

64. I get the "Groundhog Day" reference every time I see an OP like this

yes....absolutely

[ddeclue]

65. LOL - You ARE the Groundhog Day reference when you reply like this...

see #6 above...

:rofl:

[TK421]

71. LOL.....HAHAHA.....SMILEY POWER TO YOU!!!! LOL! LMFAO!!!

.....actually, I didn't read #6 until you pointed it out to me ...hold on...I feel another smiley coming up...CAN'T-STOP-IT!!! :applause: Oh god...here's another! :puke: wait for it..wait for it....

BOOM :rofl: Oh god!!!! That is so funny!!!!!

[ddeclue]

74. Whatever gets you excited....

I'm just pointing out the obvious irony of your post...

[TK421]

76. Really? what would be that irony?

[ddeclue]

81. Ummm that your post was almost word for word someone elses?

:shrug:

:eyes:

[TK421]

85. Ahh...back to post #6 I see, which I already explained to you that I

replied to the OP and did not read #6 until you pointed it out to me ( do you always read everyones replies before posting to an OP? ) I somehow doubt that...and after reading #6 I indeed do agree with them....

Your problem seems to be that I agree with them....

Post elsewhere if you don't like differing views...


Oh...:eyes: I like that one, too....and I can almost picture you doing it ( although something tells me I don't want to picture you at all )

Get a clue.....

[ddeclue]

86. Yes I DO try to read others posts first...so I don't say something that I'll have to retract..

My problem is in how cliche and obvious your reply was... demonstrated by the fact that you weren't even the first to post it..

Get your own clue...

[TK421]

89. Don't need one, you see....and I don't need you to retract anything

you can type whatever you like here....but a "cliche" and "obvious" response? You've got to be fucking kidding me, right? Like you post that OP and expect nothing but good cheer and joyous responses from that....give me a fucking break...you're just begging for some kind of conflict ( heh..I know plenty of people just like you, too ).

Sorry...yours is not a sincere post, and I am confident I am not the only one here who feels that way about it...

Happy Groundhog Day...

[Bluebear]

95. ---

:spray: re: SMILEY POWER!

[TK421]

96. IT EMPHA-SIZEZ MY POINT!!@!@

YOU SEE?@@ :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I GOTZ IT!!!! :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

YOU SEE? I"M ROLLING MY EYEZ!!!!! DO YOU SEE ME? DO YOU?!!!@


edited to add: be careful, BlueBear!!!!!!!@2 or I will throw one of THEEZE at you!!! :mad:

And you BETTER sleep with one eye open tonight, bub!!!!

[Bluebear]

97. And my favorite, the passive-aggressive shrugola:

:shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

[TK421]

98. I've used the shrugola ( like that one ) every time I can't figure out what

the hell someone is talking about...but only in a polite way!

I sure wish there was a go to hell and rot there for eternity for some people here....:eyes: Oops! sorry...I don't know why I even did that! :think:

[Bluebear]

124. .

[jumptheshadow]

67. There is a simple solution

President-Elect Obama can rescind his invitation to Rick Warren.

[ddeclue]

78. OK... I'll bite...and what is the magical giant step in between your complaining about it here

amongst the already converted and the step where Barack Obama rescinds the invitation again?

:eyes:

[jumptheshadow]

125. The magical step...

is letting people like you know that this is not a small issue and we are not a group that will allow ourselves to be marginalized.

Civil rights movements are not all fought with huge, magnificent gestures. Sometimes they make progress because of a grinding series of small acts. Reminding people like you, who just don't seem to get the bigotry involved in this situation, and who aren't enraged enough to hold Obama accountable, is one of these small acts.

And don't lecture me: People who know me IRL will tell you I work tirelessly on issues in my local community (and not just the gay one, and not just the activist one)>

Now, go and do something productive: Write a letter to Obama telling him that bigotry doesn't belong at a presidential inauguration.

[treestar]

69. It does seem to be going on an on and on

And the negativity towards the PE even before he is sworn in over a minor decision - it's amazing DU can be this bad when we just got a Dem Prez AND Congress.

But how quickly we forget. We were only a couple of months ago seeing thread after thread after thread about Palin! At least that's over.

[IndianaGreen]

72. This can end right away if Obama puts someone other than Warren as invocator

otherwise, the controversy and back biting will go on and on until January 20.

[ddeclue]

83. And AGAIN...will somebody please explain to me the giant missing step

in between complaining about it here to the already converted and the Obama call to Ric Warren rescinding the invitation?

:eyes:

It's just noise in an echo chamber here. It makes no difference at this point inside of DU.

Doug D.

[K Gardner]

123. No one can or will explain that to you. Because there's no bridge there, no connection.

The loudest and most persistant are doing absolutely nothing but poisoning the well here and turning off many of those who were most sympathetic to their original complaints.

At this point, its just white noise. Affects nothing. Its just irritating.

[ddeclue]

82. And this will end on January 21st too...

:eyes:

[rucky]

91. And we'll keep on doing it until we get it right. n/t

[EFerrari]

93. . . .

:)

[Hansel]

94. No. n/t

[Milspec]

100. at times yes

I think that why I've been here over 4 years and only have 599 posts

[zulchzulu]

104. Let's let those who are outraged express their rage and let's see what happens at the event

Personally giving Warren more attention than he deserves only helps him get free press and more success as a bloviating asshole.

If it's a good thread, participate. If you don't agree or whatever, don't comment or hide the thread.

[Bluebear]

109. 'giving Warren more attention than he deserves only helps him get free press'

Like featuring him at the inauguration.

[zulchzulu]

119. I'd rather give Warren only a couple minutes free press vs. hours and hours of free press

Face it.

Warren is going to do the invocation, like it or not at this point, for about two minutes tops.

At this point, replacing him with someone else will cause even MORE free press for him. Discussing how fucked up he (yes, I agree he is very fucked up) just gives him more free press.

Saying Warren is an asshole is like saying Dobson is an asshole. We know. We get it.

I'll be in DC for the Inaugural and will turn my back when he speaks. Hopefully, many more will too.

[stillcool]

106. That is precisely the wrong opinion to have..

consider yourself whacked. Walk in lock step, murmur the 'right' phrases, or you're in for a heap of shit. I'm not understanding the way forward other than the annihilation of Rich Warren. Don't ask don't tell, seems to refer to more than gays in the military.

[wildflowergardener]

108. Yes it does feel a bit like that.

I was wishing there was an ignore feature that would search for a word in a post and then you wouldn't see it. That way people can post whatever they want but If I'm not interested in reading them I can easily avoid them. I was wishing for that in the primaries as well. I tried ignoring a bunch of the warren messages, and I did, which helped for awhile, but it's no use, there are just too many and I gave up.

I keep saying I am going to take a break from DU until after the inauguration because of all of this, but I keep coming back.

I don't have a problem with people posting whatever they want, but I will say I'm rethinking my method that I read this newsgroup - which is by reading the greatest page because of how long it's been dominated by Warren threads.

Then I turn on Rachel Maddow show tonight and it's a best of show which is one of the first ones after Warren was picked - I can't escape! I think I'll switch to the broadway channel on xm for awhile.

Meg

[Vanje]

113. DU Word-Search Ignore

Some of us have Thesaurus''ss (Thesauri?)

Check it out:

Those of us assembled here are odd, singular, unusual, eerie.
Those of us assembled here are at this self same place where you also are.
Become well acustomed to this state of affairs.

[wildflowergardener]

116. Sorry?

I'm sorry, but I don't understand your response.

I don't mind all the posts - people should be able to post whatever they want - and I understand people are upset and that it was a bad choice by Obama. I just wish there was an easy way for me to filter out topics that I am not interested in reading about without affecting anyone else because other people are interested in reading about it and I'm not. Perhaps I should just read late breaking news for awhile - that is mostly what I come here for - news and not read the greatest page for awhile. Actually though I looked tonight and there were more different topics on there. I don't post much - mostly just read.

Meg

[Vanje]

117. I was sayin

We're queer
We're here
Get used to it

[wildflowergardener]

118. No problem

I am just tired of Warren threads but that is not your problem. Though I think I may have figured out a way to do it - just do a search of the message boards for Warren and then ignore all of those threads. It's sort of a reverse way of doing what I want but hopefully doable.

Meg

[lumberjack_jeff]

110. Machine-gunning the choir. n/t

[Jakes Progress]

114. Of course, you could always

just stay away. I mean, if the site bugs you so bad. Why put yourself through it?

I do understand though. Every other thread is a "Let's complain about all these people speaking their minds" or "How dare you have an opinion about Democrats and come to this site to voice it". Golly but all this whining about civil rights and stuff is getting so old. Let's talk a lot more about how cool we are and stuff.

[JohnnieGordon]

120. If you like Groundhog Day, try renting..

A little movie called Retroactive. It uses a similar premise, I saw it recently and thought it was fun as hell. More of a action/comedy than strictly comedy like Groundhog Day. I know this is a Lounge type response to a non-Lounge thread, but I hope no one minds.

Retroactive's IMDb page:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117468/

[Moloch]

126. I've often wondered the same thing..

some people here are acting like children. Its really pathetic.

[Zuiderelle]

127. Yeah, everyday I see more shit like this thread on DU.

Accusing GLBT DUers are ranting over and over about the issue that people like YOU keeping ranting about.