Has Obama apologized and announced his new invocation choice yet???

[polichick]

In the holiday spirit, I'm all ready to forgive him. :)

[leftstreet]

1. I'm hoping there was a hooker under Warren's tree

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[polichick]

6. Maybe even twins! :)

[Ken Burch]

11. ...named Ramon...

n/t.

[NYCGirl]

2. No, so I guess you'll have to continue to not forgive him. NT

[Clio the Leo]

3. I hope you got one of them new fangled fancy....

..... breath holders for Christmas as I'm afraid you may need it. :)

[polichick]

9. LOL - I've heard of those, haven't seen one yet though.

[IndianaGreen]

4. Sound of crickets

[polichick]

8. That is a beauty!

[cali]

5. wow. you're just sooo important.

and you seem to really like thoughtless shit stirring, too.

[demwing]

7. Everything I want to say here looks snarky on re-read

and I don't mean to sound snarky, not a bit.

Know that I tried, and failed. Sorry :)

[polichick]

10. No worries - I'm just playing. :)

[ZombieHorde]

12. Yes, Obama replaced Warren with Kucinich.

Or was that last night's dream?

[polichick]

13. Sweet dream, that one! I'd still like Kucinich to head up a Dept. of Peace.

[Douglas Carpenter]

14. at this point, I think it would cause more harm than good

For the President-elect, for the gay rights movement and for liberal constituencies in general.

The mime that "Obama caved in" would quickly be picked-up" by most of the pundits and the media thus putting President Obama into the position of having to prove that he is not "controlled by the gays and other liberal groups".

Conversely, if Rick Warren goes ahead and delivers his prayer, President Obama will still have to prove to the gay and liberal constituency that he is concerned about their concerns and interest.

[alwysdrunk]

15. Which is why he never will

People forget Obama is super-smart not super-stupid. I'm sure he realizes that he owes one to the gay community now. I bet however he chooses to pay will have a bigger impact than a two minute prayer does.

[polichick]

16. Well, if Barack wanted to rescind, Warren's new video gives him the ammo...

Maybe Pastor Rick will pray for America's "Christophobic" infidels on inauguration day.

[Douglas Carpenter]

17. unfortunately, a fair number of Americans would agree with Pastor Warren's comments

Having lived most of my adult life abroad or in liberal-urbane Americana, I have often forgotten the huge part of America (probably 45% to 55% + -) that would tend to find Rick Warren reasonable in their minds - perhaps not his most extreme comments - but in general.

[polichick]

18. I'd still like to think Obama will reconsider...

...pandering to those who consider Warren reasonable ~ especially now that he must know more about him.

We'll see, there's still time.

[Douglas Carpenter]

19. ALL politics in pandering... the question is who does one pander to and how does one slice up the

pandering pie.

From my point of view, the President-elect should have chosen someone else for the invocation. But now that the decision has been made, let the social conservatives have their two minute prayer. Let the liberal constituencies press for concrete measures that will make concrete differences in real peoples' lives. Don't spend valuable political capital over words. Invest that political capital in things that actually matter.

[polichick]

20. It'll definitely be interesting to watch the next moves...

What will Warren say?

What will the crowd do?

What positions will Obama support?

[JuniperLea]

21. You should use a bigger spoon...

[polichick]

25. Why do I need a spoon?

[JuniperLea]

28. It's easier to stir the shit that way... eom

[polichick]

31. Actually I was just joking around - forgot how humor-challenged DU can be. :)

[JuniperLea]

34. Smiling while you stir the shit

is still stirring shit.

[polichick]

35. Yank that spoon out of your butt and smile - it won't kill you.

[elocs]

22. Obama will not renounce his choice, but Warren might possibly back out.

I don't think Obama cares about someone's conditional forgiveness and he will do what he believes is best and not be cowered by those who have a negative opinion of what he does. Obama does not do cowering. He will be the president and not a puppet to have his strings pulled or be forced to dance to the shrill tunes of those who disagree.

[polichick]

23. LOL - He's cowering to the religious right-wing.

[elocs]

26. It's sad that we are so quick to pounce on him just because we disagree with his choices.

The Republicans must be getting a big laugh out of this one.

[polichick]

32. Yeah, a laugh at Barack - they'd never honor a liberal at their event.

[IndianaGreen]

24. Obama will be resolute! He will stay the course! Admitting error is a form of weakness!

Didn't we roast Hillary precisely for her inability to admit she made a mistake in voting for IWR? How is the fiasco of the Warren invocation any different?

[elocs]

27. If he does not believe it is a mistake, then why would he admit to it?

Maybe we could just run a DU poll to make all of Obama's choices for him because then he would have a perfect administration. We must remember, Obama is not perfect, only DU in its infinite wisdom.

[IndianaGreen]

29. Bush still believes that his Iraq adventure was a good thing

There are no limits to delusions, but we know the bad things that happen when someone is delusional.

[elocs]

30. So if someone does something you believe to be a mistake, they are then required to admit to it

whether they believe it is a mistake or not? Does this logic also apply to you?

[IndianaGreen]

33. You only admit to that which you believe to be true

I Obama finds no fault in exhalting an unashamed homophobe, misogynist, and anti-Semite, then it reflects badly on Obama's judgment of character.

[polichick]

36. "reflects badly on Obama's judgment of character" - true dat. nt

[Hanse]

37. In the same spirit, I'll forgive the Obama haters.

The ones that over reacted. The hypocrites. The ones that had no problem when other bigots, such as Billy Graham, gave invocations at previous inaugurations. The ones that apparently have no real problem with Warren, as they didn't speak out when other politicians, Hillary Clinton for instance, associated with Warren, and it's clear their real problem is with Obama himself.

I'll forgive them just as soon as they apologize.

[polichick]

38. There are no Obama haters at DU - that's just LAME...

As for me ~ an Obama supporter and volunteer in both the primaries and general ~ I believe in the separation of church and state and never thought Billy Graham belonged on the political stage either.

[LaydeeBug]

39. I'll forgive him too. With open arms...

when that happens. You know? The RIGHT thing...

[zulchzulu]

40. Unfortunately, if Warren was dropped, it would create an even bigger stink than it is now

We need to realize that giving Warren more attention than he deserves for what will be a 1:23 prayer that most people won't even give a shit about is only helping him, his career, more hits and exposure on his web site and a lot of free press that he certainly can only enjoy.

Dropping Warren and having someone else (who?) replacing him just stirs up the whole thing more than it deserves.

Let's express our rage, but perhaps not try to act like those on the Right that would rather use censorship and demonizing those they don't agree with...