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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 05:34 PM
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Norm Kent, Publisher of National Gay News: "Obama is being divisive. He is 'swift boating' us"

The President’s First Mistake:
Tell Ric Warren to Preach Somewhere Else
By Norm Kent
Norm Kent is the publisher of National Gay News and is a criminal defense and constitutional rights lawyer.

It is my obligation as the publisher of a national gay newspaper (www.nationalgaynews.com) to weigh in on the President-Elect’s selection of Pastor Ric Warren to deliver an invocation at his inauguration. This is change we can’t believe in.

As a spokesperson for the gay community, I want to make it clear that I find it offensive.
Mr. Obama is not being inclusive and ‘post-partisan.’ He is being divisive. He is ‘swift boating’ us. After Jeremiah Wright, you have to wonder about his selections for Divine Guidance.

Mr. Obama thinks he can move the needle and bring us all together in a unified effort for a common purpose. He sees an America where I can walk hand in hand with my partner down the aisle, and Reverend Pat Robertson will marry us. I think maybe our President Elect has a little too much of Harvard in him. I agree with Congressman Barney Frank. Some of these people will never be our friends. We are just always going to agree to disagree. If we can do so respectfully, that is great. But I don’t have to invite as the best man to my wedding a pastor who would not marry me to my partner.

My message to Mr. Obama is that there is going to be no ‘honeymoon’ either. The gay community in America has multiple voices and you can expect them to be heard. As this one instance with Pastor Warren shows, we won’t be quiet. Our voices want more than lip service. We seek action. The President Elect has an obligation to fulfill his commitment to support gay rights by initiating acts consonant with the same, from moving the equal rights non-discrimination legislation through Congress, to an executive order eliminating arbitrary exclusions of homosexuals from the armed forces of the United States of America.

To those of you who are already apologists for an invocation from a pastor, whose politics has been one of exclusion, shame on you. There are too many other men and women the President could have picked. He chose not to, and Rick Warren should not be on the inaugural platform any more than the President elect should have invited him.

Please read the entire article at:

http://nationalgaynews.com/content/view/4337/173/


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Hanse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 05:42 PM
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1. Swiftboating?
Jesus Keerist.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 05:44 PM
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2. Stop the madness. n/t
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ogneopasno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 05:53 PM
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3. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
I'm all for righteous anger, and it is righteous. But, you know, be accurate in your righteousness.
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 05:56 PM
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4. "As a spokesperson for the gay community?"
Only in his mind! He's actually an attorney and former radio talk show host whose biggest issue seems to be making pot legal, and more power to him, but for him to describe himself as "a spokesperson for the gay community" is hogwash.

you have to wonder about his selections for Divine Guidance


More hogwash! Obama has never said Warren is his spiritual guider nor as far as I know has he ever attended any of Warren's church services.

To those of you who are already apologists....


And to you self-proclaimed spokespersons for the gay community, I say get over yourselves already!
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 05:56 PM
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5. "to support gay rights by initiating acts consonant with the same"
Edited on Fri Dec-26-08 05:58 PM by matcom
says it all right there. let's actually wait for his ACTIONS shall we?

THAT will mean something for RIGHTS.

Kent apparently can't get out of his own way :eyes:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:00 PM
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8. Obama started "acting" on November 5. And Kent is right.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:10 PM
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12. Kent is an idiot
"acting"?

he can put forth no policy until 01/20/09.

or do you need that explained to you in depth?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:21 PM
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13. matcom, if you don't realize that Obama started shaping policy on 11/5,
then you aren't in the position to explain shit.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:22 PM
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14. shaping policy how?
last I looked he is surfing in Hawaii.

you obviously don't understand how life works
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:24 PM
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15. Yup. I just don't understand how life works.
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NWHarkness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:32 PM
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20. Well you are lucky
Because there are plenty of people here who are eager to explain your life to you.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:36 PM
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22. how can I explain HER life to her?
Edited on Fri Dec-26-08 06:36 PM by matcom
I don't know her.

But it IS unfortunate that a member of DU would be so intellectually childish to think that a President Elect can make policy before being sworn in.

oh wait. now there are 2.

:scared:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:40 PM
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24. That you have to resort to insults instead of to the record of Obama's
Edited on Fri Dec-26-08 06:40 PM by sfexpat2000
statements and behavior starting on 11/5 is sort of . . just like you.

There's this whole thing they're calling "transition" going on. I bet you can find it on The Google.

lol



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Hanse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:45 PM
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26. The article you posted is just one big, dumb insult.
So if you're going to dish it out, you should be able to take it.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 07:03 PM
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27. I haven't posted any article but if you need help
retrieving facts, I'll be happy to pitch in. :hi:
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 07:40 PM
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30. The article was posted by someone else.
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NWHarkness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 08:26 PM
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32. It must be a contagious disease n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:41 PM
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Right! A common hobby of people who can't find their foot.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 05:58 PM
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6. This warren decision suddenly made him a swiftboater? OMG! n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:00 PM
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7. And he's right. I hope every other demographic of about the same size
is looking up right now.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:02 PM
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9. The word "swiftboating" has officially lost all meaning
It is not a catch-all synonym for "shitty thing to do." It is a very specific thing - an extremely dishonest and dishonorable smear. Whatever Obama's decision to choose Warren may have been, it is not "swiftboating." Words mean things for a reason. That's why we have dictionaries and thesauri.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:41 PM
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25. True, Warren is the one who "swiftboated' Gays when he compared them to pedophiles
and Gay marriage to incest. However, it would appear that Obama doesn't have a problem with Warren doing this and I can see why some would see Obama as tacitly endorsing the swiftboating.

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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:02 PM
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10. I'm very sorry a lot Americans don't have all their rights. But a lot of others are starving
Edited on Fri Dec-26-08 06:06 PM by tularetom
A lot of them don't have jobs, or health care or have or are losing their homes. If I am asked to prioritize people's suffering I'm sorry but the right to marry is going to fall somewhat behind the right to eat or keep your kids healthy or to not live in your fucking car. To ask a guy whose family is sick or hungry to feel sorry for you because you can't marry your partner is a bit self absorbed.

And I'm sorry to inform Mr. Kent that if Obama is able to make some progress on these godawful economic inequalities, 99 out of 100 Americans will not care one iota about some fat fucking televangelist.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:29 PM
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16. The inability to form legal families contributes to poverty
just as no access to abortion does.

Don't buy in when they try to tell you it's just a few privileged people bitching because they don't get the frills. That's just not true but, it does sound good on paper, Tom.
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NWHarkness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:34 PM
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21. You do know that there are gay people who are poor or homeless right?
And that legal inequality makes it harder for them to get help.

You do know that, right?
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 07:39 PM
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29. Of course I know that. And I'll bet if you asked them their first priority
their response would be food and shelter not the right to marry the partner of their choice.

You are aware of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, right?







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NWHarkness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 08:25 PM
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31. I give up, you win
There is no indication you want to understand, so I won't bother.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:05 PM
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11. This is stretching the meaning of Swiftboating beyond all recognition. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:29 PM
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17. No, it's the very same triangulating bs.
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Hanse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:31 PM
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18. I think the author meant to say...
Obama 3 AM commercialed his Sister Souljah moment.

I mean, if you're just going to take random campaign related phrases and make up bullshit, why not at least be creative with it?
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:32 PM
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19. ...
:rofl:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 06:37 PM
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23. You're not implying that Obama just said shit on the stump, are you?
Edited on Fri Dec-26-08 06:37 PM by sfexpat2000
:rofl:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 07:27 PM
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28. recommend #9
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Prism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 08:50 PM
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33. It's like a gameshow at this point: "Who Wants to Be A Gay Spokesman?!"
Spokesman for the gay community?

Which is weird, because I thought he was a self-publishing, self-promoting pot activist.

Seems like there are an awful lot of people in this world constantly speaking for me.

Did I miss some kind of gay election? Were there candidates on the podium who swore an oath "I shall faithfully claim to speak for the entire community as I appoint myself to the prestigious office of Official Gay Spokesperson."

I should form a club and start calling up the local media, self-identifying as a spokesman. I mean, if just about anyone can do it . . . and they apparently are.

Lord.
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