How many anti-Warren threads will we see on DU a week after the Inauguration?

[zulchzulu]

Poll question: How many anti-Warren threads will we see on DU a week after the Inauguration?

I think it sucks that Warren will do will eventually be seen as a mere footnote that most people will forget about six months from now when he does a two-minute invocation that will be reviewed as a yawner except for the fact that people like me, who will be attending the Inauguration, will turn our backs when he speaks.

Two things to face facts on... one, Warren's prayer will be a big predicable religious yawner and two, his invocation will be completely overshadowed by others, such as Obama's speech (which will be historic) and the rest of the ceremony.

Personally, I'd like to add that giving Warren more attention and free press is exactly what he wants.

How many Warren threads do we look forward to on DU a week after the Inauguration?

[MichiganVote]

1. As many as it takes.........

to drive us all crazy.

[davidinalameda]

33. poor baby

us faggots setting you crazy?

[MichiganVote]

55. You know...I don't use that term. And I don't like it when others do.

But to Right to Lifer's I'm a baby killer because I support Choices for women.

To the neocon's I'm a rabid liberal who is anti-American because I have supported the impeachment of Bush and Cheney.

Because I oppose religion in public life and I don't believe that the earth was created in 6 days I'm a heathen.

I recycle, contribute to environmental organizations and I drive a small car so that makes me an earthen bleeding heart I guess.

None of these things bother me. But when a fellow American chooses to try to intimidate using the same kind of sarcastic tripe that the current administration has used for the last 8 years, it bothers me.

Your message has been heard on DU and I believe it is supported by well over 75% of this board. So what you really need to know is this.

I happen to support the right of everyone who wants to get married to get married. And I really don't care where or when or how it gets done. If you have a name for the person who believes in that, by all means let me know.

[Phx_Dem]

57. Why would you use the word "faggots?"

The absurd number of Warren threads do drive some people crazy, because it's fucking ridiculous. But you can't accept that some people are sick of seeng tons of threads on one topic, so you have to throw a hate bomb in the mix. Nice job. Since you chose to use that word, I have to assume it wouldn't bother you if someone else used it when speaking to you.

Talk about hateful.

[Bluebear]

2. We will NOT ruin this for you.

We will NOT ruin this for you.
We will NOT ruin this for you.
We will NOT ruin this for you.
We will NOT ruin this for you.

[zulchzulu]

4. I'm going to send a photo of me turning my back at the event

You'll want to marry me.

:hi:

[Bluebear]

5. Deal.

[Divine Discontent]

15. amen... lol LOTS eom

[hulklogan]

3. You may not see many posts on Warren the week after the inauguration, but it won't be forgotten.

And when President Obama again ignores the feelings of the LGBT Americans who support him, as he certainly will do, you can expect us to raise holy hell.

You should also expect cheers and fainting when President Obama finally gets around to working on DADT, ENDA, and DOMA reform.

[zulchzulu]

6. I'm all about pushing Obama on DADT, ENDA, and DOMA reform

See you on the streets doing grassroots efforts on these and many other issues.

:hi:

[IndianaGreen]

18. Obama already changed positions on DADT, breaking a campaign promise.

Repeal of DADT has been postponed for at least 2 years.

[kevinbgoode]

19. Are you kidding me?

Every poll for several years indicates the majority supports this change - it is outrageous that this incoming Administration, like the ones before it, feels that the careers and lives of gay service personnel can continue to be sacrificed to placate some wingnut's agenda. When the military takes CRIMINALS, neo-Nazis, and crazy-ass fundies using the services to promote theocracy, we are getting another two year delay excuse?

[kevinbgoode]

7. Oh, I'm expecting a multitude of excuses from the Obama

Administration for NOT getting it done. . .and then we'll be shamed for not sticking with the problems that we hold a "common" interest in with the rest of the country.

Most of the legislative things like DOMA, ENDA and that DADT stuff SHOULD be a no-brainer - and too fucking bad if the theocrats don't like them - the majority of Americans support these measures and have for some time. However, I bet he'll hedge on any federal recognition of same-sex couples. And yes, I'll still be pissed. . .

[zulchzulu]

9. I fully expect Obama to conclude his second term with a same-sex marriage intitiative...

...passed, set to pass or being signed into law by him before he moves on...

Of course, this will only happen when we pressure and remind Obama that such a thing needs to be done. I'll certainly be working on it in the streets with many others.

[Luminous Animal]

10. I see this happening judicially...

As much as I would like to see Obama step up to the plate, I don't see this passing congress anytime within the next 8 years. Even with a Democratic majority. There a simply too many conservative Dems in congress and even with the stated goal of many blogging activists, it is going to take a decade or so to supplant the corporatists with better Democrats. And given that reality, it would probably be politically stupid for Obama to expend the political capital when he wouldn't have the support of the majority even in his own party. I do, like any other civil rights issue, see it being affirmed by the courts and that is where Obama can wield real power.



P.S. Does it bother anyone else that Obama shows up as a misspelling on this board? Shouldn't there be a way the tech gurus can fix this?

[saracat]

12. Second term? Oh yes, this is all about "reelection", isn't it? After all

we want to make sure hischance to work on really important issues isn't jeopardized by taking a stand on a triviality like civil rights! The gay folks and women can wait a little longer. Who else will they vote for any way?:sarcasm:

[Balderdash]

22. That's great, thanks a bunch.

But I'm not going to shut up, period. I don't know what your fucking problem is.
On one hand you've got your white knot prominently displayed so clearly you are
with us, you are a supporter. Yay! So stop trying to shame us.

We aren't Republicans who can't walk and chew gum at the same time. I can still
be glad that Obama is President and support him on every other issue (for now) but
on the issue of my civil rights and honoring bigots, he's going to hear from me
and I'm going to talk about in the place that has been provided for Democrats to
talk about things. Why you could even support Obma and us at the same time.

You act like this one issue will make or break Obama, it won't. He's a big boy and
he has said himself that he wants to know what we think and he's hearing from some of
us right now. We've been there for everyone elses issue, everyone elses civil rights,
it would be nice if we could get that in return.

[zulchzulu]

25. "Why you could even support Obama and us at the same time."

This is precisely the kind of garbage I AM SICK OF with a small group in the LGBT community in regards to Warren.

Maybe you missed it, so here goes...

I AM AGAINST WARREN DOING THE INVOCATION AND WILL TURN MY BACK WHEN HE OPENS HIS MOUTH WHEN I AM IN DC FOR THE EVENT. I HAVE DONE MANY HOURS OF GRASSROOTS EFFORTS FOR LGBT CAUSES SINCE 1986. I AM FOR GAY MARRIAGE. I ALSO THINK GIVING WARREN MORE FREE PRESS THAN HE DESERVES ONLY HELPS HIM AND HURTS THE LGBT COMMUNITY MORE THAN HELP IT. NEITHER OBAMA OR I ARE A HOMOPHOBE.

OK? Get it?

[davidinalameda]

35. as part of that "small" group

I know that me and the others in that "small" group will keep on bitching

sorry if you want us to shut up

[Balderdash]

47. The free press that you mention

has been the one bright spot as far as I'm concerned because overall it's
been bad press. He's had to do a lot of back tracking and he looks small
minded and like the bigot he is.

I appreciate that you'll be turning your back to him, I do but that doesn't
mean that speaking up is a bad thing or that Obama can't handle it. I
honestly don't think the Obama I voted for would want us to be quiet.

[MNBrewer]

48. Let's see.... WHO could be responsible for Warren's free press oportunity?

must be teh gays. COULDN'T be Obama!!! :sarcasm:

[IndianaGreen]

28. So Obama will milk the LGBT community with promises in 2010, 2012, 2016

False promises all, but keep sending us money!

[Critters2]

39. Won't happen. He does not support marriage equality.

He's not that progressive. We elected a centrist. It's silly to pretend he's anything else.

[Zuiderelle]

40. Oh goodie, we only have to wait EIGHT FUCKING YEARS MORE?

What the hell.

[Bluebear]

59. .

[Luminous Animal]

8. I hope that activists

keep the spotlight on Warren. He has enormous influence in evangelical communities communities. His "treatment" for HIV/AIDS sufferers does more harm than good. In fact, it kills. An analysis of his anti-poverty program's tax returns shows that donations go more toward promoting Rick Warren than helping poor folks. He's a charlatan that has ties to the President-elect with whom he is in agreement on two issues; no gay marriage, and faith-based solutions to deliver social services. The media is all set to dub him "America's Pastor" and his coronation is all but a fait accompli without consistent exposure of his activities.

[Posteritatis]

11. Missing option: 3.2x10^26 in the month after (nt)

[leftofthedial]

13. hardly any.

by then we'll be so pissed off at the idiotic moves of his "free market" economic team that we won't have energy for any other complaints.

[Divine Discontent]

14. how many threads does this make for you about Warren that could be argued are pro-Warren

simply for the fact that you don't appear concerned he's an incredibly unrepentant pervert about women, calls GLBT people pedophiles, and says Gays don't deserve human rights --- that's the kind of guy to defend on a progressive liberal Democratic website. Finally, as I didn't wanna do it as you might actually post something worthwhile at some point, have welcomed you gladly to ignore. Your fetish with defending this asshat Falwell clone is weird.



***Pro-Obama - Anti-Warren Decision***

[IndianaGreen]

16. Why don't you tell Obama to can the bigoted big ass Warren

and we wouldn't be having this controversy.

[Divine Discontent]

17. exactly - if everyone joined in that cared about rights for ALL who claim they do

the pervert wouldn't be praying on behalf of the nation, as P.E. Obama has him doing.

[zulchzulu]

20. If Obama cans Warren at this point, there would be two bad things that would spawn

1. Warren would continue to get more attention and free press than he deserves and would be enabled as some sort of "martyr".

2. The new person that would do the fairly inconsequential (in my view) invocation would then be under new scrutiny. Who would Obama choose?

Additionally, the decision for Obama to can Warren would also go against what he has already commented on where he wants to have all sides involved in the event. I'm against Warren speaking for obvious reasons, but I ask how far we are supposed to go with this. Are people who are not for gay marriage not allowed to go to the Inauguration? Should we apply the same "purity" test that people who are rabidly against abortion would do if a pro-choice speaker was going to be in some event?

As I have said before, I'll be at the Inauguration in the crowd. When Warren speaks, I will turn my back. I'm sure there will be many others who will either do the same thing or some other form of protest. Yes, it will be perceived by some as tarnishing the event, but it will send a message, however small or large.

[MNBrewer]

50. Warren is what's tarnishing the event

Not people who turn their back toward him in protest of his bigotry. The fact that he was invited tarnishes the event.

[QC]

21. How many shut up threads will we see? How many of those will be yours? n/t

[zulchzulu]

23. Um... it's not a STFU thread

It's a thread where the strong possibility that Warren will say some stupid prayer for a minute or so will be completely overshadowed by the rest of the Inauguration.

This knee-jerk crap that it's a "shut up thread" is based on what I think is the notion that some people actually think the invocation means more than it really does and that giving Warren even more free press is a good thing. It is a good thing... for Warren.

Unless something monumental comes up, Warren is going to say the invocation. I'll protest him when I'm there, but it is probably going to happen. And guess what, it will mean nothing compared to the events of the rest of the day.

You can think it's the end of the World, but I don't It sucks, but giving Warren even more attention only helps him.

[Luminous Animal]

24. "Us" shutting up...

will give the press free rein to polish Warren's image.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/18/us/politics/18inaug.html

"Barack Obama has selected the Rev. Rick Warren, the evangelical pastor and author of “The Purpose Driven Life,” to deliver the invocation at his inauguration, a role that positions Mr. Warren to succeed Billy Graham as the nation’s pre-eminent minister and reflects the generational changes in the evangelical Christian movement"

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1208/Rick_Warren_the_new_Billy_Graham.html
"Rick Warren the new Billy Graham?"

http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101050207/photoessay/
"Rick Warren
America's New People's Pastor: These are heady times for Rick Warren. His book The Purpose Driven Life, which says that meaning in life comes through following God's purposes, has sold more than 20 million copies over the past two years and is the best-selling hardback in U.S. history. When he took the podium to pray on the final night of Billy Graham's Los Angeles crusade at the Rose Bowl in November, the 82,000 congregants cheered as if Warren had scored the winning touchdown."

http://www.newser.com/archive-politics-news/1G1-183363995/the-next-billy-graham-lexingtonrick-warren.html
"The next Billy Graham; Lexington.(Rick Warren )
Article from: The Economist (US) Article date: August 16, 2008

Rick Warren has emerged as the most powerful evangelical in America"

[AntiFascist]

62. His Eminence...is he America's new pope? n/t

[Two Americas]

46. of course it is

No one would overtly say "STFU" because that wouldn't work.

Saying that something is not worth talking about, not worth considering, and saying that all who disagree with you have improper motives, are misguided, are wrong in some profound way no matter what they say, and should therefore be dismissed and not be given a fair hearing is a way to say "STFU" that does work.

[Phx_Dem]

58. Hopefully, we won't need to see any. n/t

[TankLV]

26. Not Enough - until this problem is no longer an issue...

we shall wait and see...

[IndianaGreen]

27. The Warren invocation is a red flag to all of you, not just LGBTs, of broken campaign promises

Obama has already reneged on his promise to repeal DADT. What's next? Iraq? Afghanistan? Israel/Palestine tragedy?

Many gay and lesbian military intelligence and linguists, critical skills needed in GWOT, have been discharged to keep the fundies and their enablers happy while putting our nation at risk. Obama PROMISED to repeal DADT! He has now broken his promise by saying that his administration won't even discuss the matter until at least 2010 (I assume to milk more money from LGBT community for the midterm elections). The Warren invocation was a slap in the face to all LGBT Americans. The DADT postponement is a BOHICA without lubrication to all LGBT Americans, particularly to those serving in uniform.

[AtomicKitten]

31. How could he have possibly reneged when he isn't president yet?

It is ridiculous for you to continually assert that Obama has reneged on a promise even before he's sworn in. FFS he said he would not repeal DADT by executive order, but plans to repeal it as a larger consensus package through Congress.

The truth is he's not going to do it fast enough within the rigid parameters you have already set up to preemptively declare him a liar and a charlatan.

[IndianaGreen]

32. Congressional Dem leaders, including Senator Levin, said DADT on backburner

Levin chair committe that will hold hearings on DADT.

[AtomicKitten]

36. I'm thinking Obama will be in charge after he's sworn in & his agenda enacted.

I look forward to the spectacle of the blustery yet spineless Dems in Congress trying to oppose him, but I would ask you to please give him a chance to disappoint you with actual policy that actually affects lives when he's actually president before predicting his betrayal and failed presidency.

[EFerrari]

49. The real parallel to JFK that we will probably see is Obama trying to defer

some things to his second term.

[Starry Messenger]

29. There seem to be two schools of thought on the issue that causes

some disconnect.

1) It's a two minute prayer, no biggee. It's not symbolic of anything.

2 It's a signal to the fundies that Obama will "work with them". It's symbolic of the fact that we're all one now.


I've seen both get argued and to me they contradict each other.

[IndianaGreen]

34. Apparently Obama "will work" with fundies to keep DADT in place

Does he think that by appeasing fundies that they will change their voting habits? He is incredibly naive if he thinks that!

[AtomicKitten]

42. FFS - You have truly gone over the edge with this stuff.

Now you are just making shit up to incite. You take his belief in progress by consensus and bastardize it with fantastic gratuitous snark ... "will work with fundies to keep DADT in place" is complete and utter bullshit!

edited for double word

[Starry Messenger]

52. That wasn't really what I was trying to address.

Sorry if I was unclear.

[AntiFascist]

63. Excellent point...

and the point I keep trying to hammer on is that Obama is already aligned with the fundies on the issue of marriage equality (as in full equality, not just civil unions). If he can at least contradict himself on that issue then I will give him credit.

[Doctor_J]

30. Same as now - about 50 per day

Those who insist on posting about it every day are also having trouble assimilating what they see on DU as well. For example, today there are at least three threads on Frank Rich's op-ed in today's NYT. Hopefully they will calm down enough to at least look at the board before they post yet another rant. This will cut the number of Warren threads in half, to a manageable number.

[sniffa]

37. "Why there will continue to be more Warren threads

and rightfully so."

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

38. WHY ARE YOU YELLING?

YOUR POST IS REALLY BIG! INSIDE VOICES PLEASE. K? THX, BYE.

[NYC_SKP]

43. I was looking for a LOLCAT about caps locks, but found this under "shhh"

But I don't want you to take it personally, K?

:hug:



:hi:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

51. Haha...that's awesome

[Zuiderelle]

41. Hopefully as many as there are now.

[Cha]

44. "Other".. I like someone's thoughts

in another post, another forum

"Psychic Consortium (126 posts) Fri Dec-26-08 12:57 PM
Response to Original message

88. GLBT rights and Rick Warren
Edited on Fri Dec-26-08 01:06 PM by Psychic Consortium
1. Events are unfolding as they should.
2. GLBTs will have full equal rights.
3. Twists, turns, detours will not affect the outcome.
4. This reality is bigger than any one man.
5. PC can feel the hearts broken at the Warren pick.
6. Pain precedes change.
7. Struggle and effort must happen to gain rights.
8. Wait and see.
9. The 21st Century: Real dialogue about real issues.

Edit: Spelling error corrections"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x80318#81298

[EFerrari]

45. There will be 3X the number of threads yelling about the Warren threads

just as there are NOW.

[pecwae]

64. Just like this OP.

[TEmperorHasNoClothes]

53. the more attention we give warren, the better he looks to his homophobic base

[Bluebear]

54. I'd say putting him onstage at the inaugural qualifies for "attention"

[keepCAblue]

56. Obama WISHES people will forget about his gross error in judgement 6 mo. from now...

and most--90 percent or so--will.

Ten percent, however, will not. We will never forget.

Obama's hurtful and callous betrayal of LGBTQI people reminds me of a scene from Alice Walker's, "The Color Purple"

Celie: (to Albert) Till you do right by me, everything you even think about gonna' fail.

[TexasObserver]

60. The correct answer is here ...

A Brazillian, of course!




or


as many as it takes

[Bluenorthwest]

61. Welll that all depends

If Warren's 'just a two minute prayer' goes like McClurkin's 'just a song' there will be many threads indeed.
Imagine if Warren had not been invited. No threads about him at all. Imagine that.