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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 07:57 PM
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Please do not buy into the hype. . .THERE IS NO RACIAL SHOWDOWN over Burris
For that to happen it will take more than Bobby Rush speaking incoherently at a press conference and a few African American ministers, WHO ARE IN ROD'S POCKET for that to be the case.

The alleged racial showdown is MANUFACTURED by the press, seriously on any given issue there are folks who
are going to look to make hay, but the press has a decision to make and in this case they went for the low hanging fruit.

Now I actually believe that the Burris appointment should be honored. Not because Roland is Black (although I do prefer a Black replacement for Obama) but because Rod is still the Governor and he has yet to be stripped of any power. The appointment is legal and while I think Rod is AN OPPORTUNISTIC ASSHOLE for making it, he is AN OPPORTUNISTIC ASSHOLE operating within his legal authority and until his legal status changes I cannot endorse the extraordinary efforts being made to block the appointment.

Rush has said he is going to the Congressional Black Caucus, well last I heard the CBC has not said shit about it. Danny Davis and Jesse Jackson are not saying anything and the African Americans in the Illinois legislature have not said squat.

I served on Rod's staff for 2.5 years and I was sometimes tasked with the charge of accompanying him to Black churches and to other events in the Black community. Rod uses the Black community, the minute he needs support he runs to the Black community, as well as the Hispanic community. Rod is very smart when it comes leveraging his popularity in Chicago's ethnic communities for political gain, but this time the larger community is not buying it.

Again, DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE when it comes to the alleged racial showdown over Burris. I do think the appointment should be honored but it has nothing to do with race.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 07:59 PM
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1. The folks screaming the loudest over the racial angle are the people advocating
that Burris not be seated. As far as I can tell, Rush has been the only public official to come down on the racial end. Everyone else is talking about the legal implications of this thing.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:08 PM
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2. Thank you. I saw that faux story and didn't want to bother; I'm glad
you did.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:11 PM
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3. just another example of how reid and company are trying to fuck liberals over somehow someway
literally everything they do is for the oligarchs
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:13 PM
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4. Baloney. nt
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:14 PM
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5. That is a pretty stupid thing to say. . .
. . .Reid is not trying to fuck liberals, Reid is trying to act tough on corruption. He picked the wrong fight but this has nothing to do with him fucking liberals. For that to be true we would have to know that Burris is a true progressive in the spirit of Paul Wellstone, I know a lot about Burris and while I like him I don't see him as being the type of Senator liberals would rally around.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:16 PM
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6. If Reid was tough about corruption, he would have moved to expel Stevens
When Stevens was convicted on seven counts.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:22 PM
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10. What makes you think he didn't?
Within a few days of his conviction, Stevens faced bipartisan calls for his resignation. Both parties' presidential candidates, Barack Obama and John McCain, were quick to call for Stevens to stand down. Obama said that Stevens needed to resign to help "put an end to the corruption and influence-peddling in Washington."<79> McCain said that Stevens "has broken his trust with the people" and needed to step down—a call echoed by his running mate, Sarah Palin, governor of Stevens' home state.<80> Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, as well as fellow Republican Senators Norm Coleman, John Sununu and Gordon Smith have also called for Stevens to resign. McConnell said there would be "zero tolerance" for a convicted felon serving in the Senate—strongly hinting that he would support Stevens' expulsion from the Senate unless Stevens resigned first.<81><82> Late on November 1, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid confirmed that he would schedule a vote on Stevens' expulsion, saying that "a convicted felon is not going to be able to serve in the United States Senate."<83> If Stevens is expelled after winning reelection, a special election would be held to fill the seat through the remainder of the term, until 2014.<84> Some have speculated that defeated Vice-Presidential candidate Sarah Palin will attempt to run for the Senate via this special election.<85><86>No sitting Senator has been expelled since the Civil War.

Nonetheless, during a debate with his opponent Mark Begich days after his conviction, Stevens continued to claim innocence. "I have not been convicted. I have a case pending against me, and probably the worse case of prosecutorial ... misconduct by the prosecutors that is known." Stevens may be referring to the view that a conviction is not final until judge sentencing. Stevens also cited plans to appeal.<87>

Despite his conviction, Stevens led Begich on Election Day by more than 3,200 votes. However, after counting of absentee and provisional ballots began, Begich pulled ahead, and now leads by 3,724 votes.<88>

On November 13, Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina announced he would move to have Stevens expelled from the Senate Republican Conference (caucus) regardless of the results of the election. Losing his caucus membership would cost Stevens his committee assignments.<89> However, DeMint later decided to postpone offering his motion, saying that while there were enough votes to throw Stevens out, it would be a moot point if Stevens lost his reelection bid.<90> Stevens ended up losing the Senate race, and on Nov. 20, 2008, gave his last speech to the Senate, which was met with a rare Senate standing ovation. <91>

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And why do you continue to single out Reid when this was an action supported by the entire Democratic caucus and Obama:

All 50 Dem Senators Call On Blagojevich To Step Down

Because he is still, officially, the governor, Blagojevich has the power to appoint Barack Obama's replacement. Illinois officials have tried to take away such authority by passing legislation that would allow the seat to be decided by a special election. But Blagojevich could make the appointment before the bill becomes law. That said, the United States Senate has the power to reject his appointment - something that Reid threatened in his letter. The fact that 49 other Democratic colleagues, including Vice President-elect Joseph Biden and Secretary of State nominee Hillary Clinton, have signed this letter suggest that they are serious about pushing back against any 11th-hour Blagojevich move.

<...>


Dear Governor Blagojevich:

We write to insist that you step down as Governor of Illinois and under no circumstance make an appointment to fill the vacant Illinois Senate seat. In light of your arrest yesterday on alleged federal corruption charges related to that Senate seat, any appointment by you would raise serious questions.

It is within the authority of the Illinois legislature to remove your power to make this appointment by providing for a special election. But a decision by you to resign or to step aside under Article V of the Illinois Constitution would be the most expeditious way for a new Senator to be chosen and seated in a manner that would earn the confidence of the people of Illinois and all Americans. We consider it imperative that a new senator be seated as soon as possible so that Illinois is fully represented in the Senate as the important work of the 111th Congress moves forward.

Please understand that should you decide to ignore the request of the Senate Democratic Caucus and make an appointment we would be forced to exercise our Constitutional authority under Article I, Section 5, to determine whether such a person should be seated.

We do not prejudge the outcome of the criminal charges against you or question your constitutional right to contest those charges. But for the good of the Senate and our nation, we implore you refrain from making an appointment to the Senate.




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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:25 PM
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11. Stevens was convicted on 10/27. Reid makes gutless statement on 11/1.
Nothing was done and everything was basically contingent on the election results.

Why Stevens was and is allowed to remain a Senator until next week is a serious dereliction of duty on Reid's part.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:28 PM
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14. So you knew about his decision, but failed to mention it in your previous response?
Even the damn Repubs were moving to expel Stevens.

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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:30 PM
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15. Are you kidding me? A gutless statement is not the same thing as an actual attempt to expel.
In a committee setting do you know what "moved" means?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:35 PM
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18. Nonsense, he stated that he was going to schedule a vote on expulsion.
You want to characterize it as gutless go ahead.

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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:38 PM
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22. Like I said. He did nothing but make a gutless statement.
It appears that he was only going to act if Stevens was reelected.

He allowed Stevens to remain a Senator for more than 2 months even after he was convicted on seven counts.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:44 PM
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25. Can you say hijack? This thread is not about Reid
But since you hate him so much I guess that is how you will justify the hijacking.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:50 PM
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27. I don't hate him :-)
He just represents scaredy-cat, permanent-minority Democratic politics.

We do not need a moderate as our Senate caucus leader, either minority or majority.



(And didn't mean to hijack your thread :-)) ((At least it was kept kicked :-):-)))
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:50 PM
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26. .
Edited on Fri Jan-02-09 08:51 PM by prodn2000
dupe
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:31 PM
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16. That was after Stevens was convicted.Reid was respectful of Stevens after indicted
and reminded others to withhold judgement.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:18 PM
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9. I agree that Reid isn't trying to fuck liberals, but don't agree he ever acts tough. nm
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:16 PM
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7. Are there any Senators that have come out against Burris? nm
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:17 PM
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8. Only Durbin and Reid so far
:kick:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:27 PM
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12. All 50 Dems came out against Blago and called for
Edited on Fri Jan-02-09 08:32 PM by babylonsister
his resignation. Now they should agree to this decision?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/1208/All_50_Dem_senators_call_on_Blagojevich_to_resign.html

All 50 Dem senators call on Blagojevich to resign
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dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:27 PM
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13. since when does the senate get to pick senators?
If they do this they will lose the senate and I for one will help vote the shits out.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:34 PM
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17. They think they are a Ruling Class of 100 Deciders. nt
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:35 PM
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19. Do you live in Washington DC? Your username indicates you do
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dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:37 PM
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20. No I don't it was my dad's user name when he was on Kermit.
He died and I carried it on.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:42 PM
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24. That's a nice tribute to your dad.
I was gonna make fun of you for not being able to vote for Senators, despite being a US citizen. But now that feels kinda inappropriate, as well as being not true.

I have to admit to sympathizing with the Senate Democrats on this one. Politically it makes a lot of sense of doing something public to distance themselves from a crook like Blagoyevich. And face it, the fact that Burris a decent honest man fully qualified and ready to represent Illinois is a low down dirty trick.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:41 PM
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23. What does "they will lose the Senate" mean? And how can you vote anyone out?
You would have to vote republican to get incumbent Demos out.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 08:38 PM
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21. I agree with you. The appointment seems to be perfectly legal, goddammit
What's worst of all, Burris seems to be an ideal "caretaker" appointment (as he says he won't stand for election to this seat in 2010) and more than capable of serving in the Senate with dignity and distinction. Grrrr, that pisses me off!
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 09:16 PM
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28. I agree that the appointment should be honored
because Blago has not been convicted of any crime and is still in office

because Roland Burris is not involved in the alleged bribery scandal

There's one other very big reason to honor this appointment: Obama has asked Congress to have a stimulus package ready for his signature January 20. The Senate doesn't have time to waste bickering over this appointment. If they do, they play right into the hands of the GOP and continue to appear weak and insular, interested only in themselves and not the People.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 09:25 PM
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29. I really appreciate your insight.
Good to know. Outside Chicago and Illinois, the rest of us only know what we're being fed by the media.
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 09:32 PM
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30. I agree that appointment is legal, and Sen. Reid is picking a 'no win' fight...
:hi:
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 03:34 AM
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31. I hate that people fall into the same traps time after time. It was
crystal clear to me what Blago was doing when he trotted Burris' ass out there and rush followed. Spinning it to get people involved and caught up in some kind of racial mess so he could step to the side and laugh.

I don't like Burris one bit but at this point seat the fucker and shut this show down. I'm sick of it. Reid could call whoever he wanted with his recommendation, there is nothing wrong with that. Burris is an old fool and idiot but seat his ass so it can be over with. He'll never win in 2010...let's just hope we keep the seat in that election after this mess.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 09:46 PM
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32. Saturday night kick
:kick:
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