Could Caroline be the next President Kennedy?

[bottomtheweaver]

I've seen a few posts suggesting the possibility, partly in jest, but it seems not all that unlikely. We know that it's possible for a woman to win the nomination, or at least to come close, and during the primary there was a lot of discussion of the fact that many Western and Eastern democracies have already elected women presidents or prime ministers, like Britain, Ireland, Germany, India, Pakistan, Turkey, so it's not a far-fetched idea.

As for the field in 2016, Joe Biden will probably not run, Dennis might, but apart from this year's veep also-rans like Webb and Warner, is there anyone else in the pipeline? It seems that all Caroline K would really have to do is avoid gaffes and make sure she didn't miss any important votes, and maybe make some progress on her own issues like education and health care, which hopefully she'll get some help with from Teddy.

Am I missing anything obvious? :shrug:

[wyldwolf]

1. no

[bottomtheweaver]

3. No I'm not missing anything?

Or just no? :)

[wyldwolf]

4. I'm sorry. It's POSSIBLE but so unlikely that it doesn't merit discussion... IMHO

[bottomtheweaver]

9. Well, let's start with the gender issue.

Do you agree that it's highly likely the 2016 candidate will be a woman?

[wyldwolf]

14. no, I don't agree it's highly likely

Hillary Clinton didn't come within a hair of the nomination because she's a woman. She did so because she's Hillary Clinton. There are no other women serving that come close to her stature. Like her or not, that's a true statement.

[bottomtheweaver]

17. But she did almost break that glass ceiling don't forget.

And my guess is that 2016 will be the year of the first female Dem presidential candidate, and if things keep going like they're going, she won't have much trouble beating whatever cretin the Reperps put up.

[wyldwolf]

19. because she's Hillary Clinton, and I doubt she'll run in 2016

[bottomtheweaver]

25. I agree with you to the extent that there aren't many women

that have that kind of political profile, but Caroline K is one of the few who will, that is if she gets that far.

[Colobo]

33. I hate to say this, but Caroline Kennedy is almost

the Dem version of Sarah Palin.

[bottomtheweaver]

35. Palin is a lawyer? Who's co-authored books?

That's news to me.

[Blarch]

63. She won't get passed the primaries.

You will find she is easily tripped up, just like Palin. She will be flying high till the people get to know her, then she will crash....in the same way Rudy fell.

[Zynx]

84. It's very dangerous to start with an assumption and build a prediction to get there.

2016 is not pre-ordained to be the year a woman becomes president.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

40. WTF??

Don't think too highly of the female gender as a whole, do you?

[wyldwolf]

60. WTF???

Yeah, I think very highly of the female gender, which doesn't cloud the reality of the situation politically.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

62. If you tell yourself that only one woman on the planet is capable of being President

It clouds your reality.

[wyldwolf]

64. If I was telling myself that, you'd be right, but that isn't what I said

[Metric System]

2. NO POLITICAL DYNASTIES!!!!

Now the shoes on the other foot.

[bottomtheweaver]

6. How would this be dynastic?

Her father has been dead for forty years and Teddy isn't in the best of health. If she makes it, it will have to be on her own, and as we've already seen, it certainly won't be easy. She'll have to fight just as hard as any other candidate, or more.

[Critters2]

11. Puhleeze. If her last name weren't Kennedy, we wouldn't even be discussing this.

How do I know? Well, I'd like to be a senator, but my last name isn't Kennedy, and no one's discussing me being president. Maybe I should marry a Kennedy. At least I'd have your endorsement.

[bottomtheweaver]

13. Lot's of political careers start the same way.

Jerry Brown, John Quincy Adams, even David Paterson. But she'll have to fight for it just the same, because there's clearly no consensus even in her own party that she deserves the office, or any office for that matter.

[PBS Poll-435]

22. Plus Hillary Clinton was a teller at the BCCI.

Don't forget that little tidbit.

[LostinVA]

31. What?!

[PBS Poll-435]

32. It was an after-school job when she was 16

:P


(See! People that like Hillary Clinton can make stuff up too!)

[dkf]

55. Oh the irony.

If that keeps Hillary out of the White House I would shake on that.

[PBS Poll-435]

76. It won't.

;-)

[Critters2]

5. If she's not qualified to serve in the Senate, and she's not,

she sure as hell isn't qualified to be president.

England has a queen. Perhaps you'd be happier there.

[bottomtheweaver]

8. That question will be answered in 2010 and 2012,

and if the voters of NYS decide she isn't qualified, then yes, the question is moot. But I'm assuming she'll do a good job and they won't.

[GarbagemanLB]

7. Oh god.

[babylonsister]

10. No.

She will be fine, smart, and do the right thing. I love that.

[bottomtheweaver]

12. Let's assume the Dem candidate will be a woman.

Who else do you think could get it?

[CTyankee]

67. I am afraid that she will try to be something she isn't. She isn't a gladhander.

She's private and shy. I don't think that disqualifies her for the presidency per se but I think we're going to have to wait and see how she does in the Senate for a couple of years. If she exudes quiet strength and leads instead of following, it might help her towards the presidency. A big IF in my book, altho I like her. But then I am not in New York...

[Historic NY]

15. Could we talk about "Dianetics"..........

because it makes more sense.

[LostinVA]

16. Put the mushrooms down and back away

:rofl:

[Critters2]

18. !

That's what's causing it! 'Shrooms!! :rofl:

[bottomtheweaver]

21. I forgot to mention that I'm assuming the 2016 candidate will be a woman.

Do you agree that that's at least pretty likely?

[NYC_SKP]

23. I said something like that one...

...only it was "put down the crack pipe"...

..then my comment was DELETED, the fuckers, I thought...

I still think it's funny as hell, though! :rofl:

And hey, Happy New Year, LostinVA!!! :toast:

I was in Charlottesville and Roanoke for a week in December, what a beee-autiful state you have there! :hi:

[LostinVA]

28. I read that comment -- and it WAS funny as hell!

I'm living in NJ again now, but I lived in Cville for almost a decade. A GREAT area, and very blue -- over 70% for Kerry. And, they FINALLY got rid of that creep Virgil Goode.

[Brooklyns_Finest]

No

She is only a little more coherant than Sarah Palin.

[Uzybone]

to ridiculous to discuss

No.

[bigwillq]

20. No. I hope not.

Not really a huge Caroline fan. I think she is so boring. Does some good work but I am anxious to see how she does if she is selected to be a Senator.

[Clio the Leo]

24. That's the plan. ;-)

Last year proved that a candidate need not be of substance (not to say that she's lacking, but we dont know either way at this point) to be "qualified" to be a candidate.

Better Caroline than Sarah I say. I can guarantee you she's more knowledgeable about life in general than her right wing alternative.

[bottomtheweaver]

26. Ha. I'm guessing you're kidding,

but if there really is such a plan, I'm all for it!

[Clio the Leo]

29. Not kidding at all......

... I honestly dont know enough about her to say whether she's qualified or not. If the Gov. of New York, who by all indications is an intelligent man, thinks she's worthy of the job than so be it. Her constituents will decide in two years (or whenever?) whether or not she's qualified to continue to serve.

And if they DO decide she is, then good for us.

We have a Carabou Barbie, the Indian Obama and the "Good" Bush waiting to take the White House in 2016 or sooner. And as I said above, being a nominee is more than just who's the most skilled. Palin has a loyal following simply because a segment of the population deem her to be "cool."

If America's princess proves to be a good senator, then sure ..... let her run for her old house. I'd much rather see OUR "fluff" candidate than THEIRS.

As for this dynasty BS .... I was in full agreement with every political position every other Kennedy ever had and IF she tends to believe as they do .... well, then yay for me and the positions that are important to me.

The dynasty argument doesn't work. The American people choose who their leaders are. If they dont think the daughter of one of our time's most beloved President's is qualified to lead then she won't. It's that simple. To say otherwise is to have no faith in the American system.

I also think ..... and this is PURE speculation on my part .... that Barack may kind of like the idea of being replaced in 8 years by not only the first female President, but a Kennedy. I'm a bit of a "Obama is causing the earth to spin by his sheer will" conspiracy theorist and it's all to big of a coincidence. Caroline, who never sought out the spotlight, suddenly becomes the Senator from New York after working with Barack? He takes out a rival and sets up his hand picked replacement all in the same move.

Would make a great story anyway. :-)

[bottomtheweaver]

30. Wow.

I see what you mean and I like it. And I agree that it's ultimately up to the voters of NYS and then the country, and judging by the last couple of weeks, Caroline has a long row to hoe and will have to have put up with a huge amount of bs from the press, but I'm guessing that she'll get the hang of it quickly and make a good legislative ally to Teddy. Knock on wood!!

[JTFrog]

70. "the Indian Obama"?

[BlooInBloo]

27. Not likely.

[Colobo]

34. The woman is not qualified for any public seat.

She seems to know less about public affairs than Sarah Palin.

[bottomtheweaver]

36. Caroline has a law degree and a license. Does Palin?

Palin is a puppet and a shill for BP and the GOP. So who's puppet is CK?

[Lightning Jack]

50. in 2016, she will have been a Senator for 8 years.

[Sebastian Doyle]

37. It's currently not possible.

Maybe if the crimes of her father's and uncle's murders were actually solved and those responsible brought to justice, it could happen. But no Kennedy will ever be President again before then. :evilfrown:

[bottomtheweaver]

38. At least it's not just a few nuts calling for their heads these days,

it's the whole damn world. I see exactly what you mean and while I agree with you rationally, I'm still optimistic that we'll see some justice served in the next eight years, and if Caroline is in the Senate I think the chances are at least doubled.

[Rosco T.]

39. Here's your timeline...

2008 Obama/Biden

2012 Obama/Kennedy (Joe won't want to run in 2016, so a new VP will be chosen to 'take the mantle')

2016 Kennedy/<???>

you heard it here 1st

and for the love of crap.. no Dynasty crap please... two people in the same family more than 40 years apart does not make a Dynasty

[Metric System]

41. Two people in the same family 8 years apart technically doesn't make a Dynasty either, but that sure

didn't stop the detractors here and elsewhere from screaming NO DYNASTIES!!! Or was that just their excuse du jour?

[Rosco T.]

43. you could almost make a case on the Bush's

.. since you got such a HERD of them.. had Shrubby not screwed up the world so bad, you can bet it would have been Jebby running in '08.. now... not a chance..

[NashVegas]

68. Well It's Sure Convenient

If you used it against one, you can use it against the other.

Problem is, it's invalid. The greater set of voters disagrees, and has for a couple hundred years.

[bottomtheweaver]

80. I think the difference is that while Bill actively campaigned for

HRC, there aren't many Kennedys left of that stature who can do the same for Caroline, although I would be very happy to see Teddy hit the campaign trail for her in eight years!

[bottomtheweaver]

79. Could be.

Joe wouldn't even have to step down I don't think, but I imagine he would if he thought it would help, since the rumor is that Caroline had a hand in choosing him in the first place.

[emilyg]

42. I hope not.

[BluegrassDem]

44. This thread is HILARIOUS...a lot of the same posters were saying Obama should not run in '08

LOL....

I just find it funny how people justify their reasons for not wanting a candidate to run for the WH. The same things being said about Caroline are eerily similar to those about Obama. It's a good thing he didn't listen to DU!

[marimour]

46. lol. Hope they are just as wrong about her as they were about Obama.

[Lightning Jack]

52. Caroline is being positioned to become the Torch Bearer after Obama

[Metric System]

92. You insult Obama by comparing Caroline to him. She doesn't even have half the charisma or oratorical

skills that he possesses. I'm not really opposed to her being named Senator, but give me a break. She is dull.

[book_worm]

45. Probably not, but then again--who knows? I think she would be VP before she was president.

[marimour]

47. I think this is very likely, and possibly a good idea.

[Lightning Jack]

48. yes, that's why some are trying to stand in her way

remember, 8 years ago, Hillary Clinton was not a Presidential Contender either, then she became Senator of New York...

[smalll]

49. The obvious thing you're missing is that C.Y.K.K. is the most boring (wannabe) politician EVER!

I swear, even Holy Joe Lieberman has more spark, more charisma, more joie-de-vivre than Caroline. No joke.

That ADDED to the 142-in-one-interview/400-in-a-weekend iterations of "you know" from the Princess of Park Avenue.

She's Palin without the charm.

:shrug:

[book_worm]

51. I do have to admit she doesn't have her father's charisma.

[Sultana]

53. No!

[Phoonzang]

54. No. She doesn't have the charisma or eloquence.

Maybe she'll be a fine senator but she wouldn't win in a national election.

[NashVegas]

69. And We All Know What Solid Requirements Those Traits Are

[Phoonzang]

78. Hmm......good point. n/t

[Metric System]

93. Wait...since when is Bush eloquent?

[Golden Raisin]

56. Bush isn't even gone. Obama

isn't even officially President. And we're talking about the "next President Kennedy" (or "the field in 2016")? Let's just set up all our Christmas decorations on July 5th.

[Life Long Dem]

57. Wonder how Clinton feels about this?

I already saw something weird on CNN while flipping through channels. They had Hillary vs. Carolyn up on the screen. For what I don't know? Where was the position for the competition? Unless they are starting the 2016 elections early?

[wyldwolf]

65. it's a charity mud wrestling match

[Lightning Jack]

85. that's why Hillary's people are putting up roadblocks for Caroline

they thought Hillary was a shoe-in for 2016,
but now they see that Caroline is all set to step into the Senate and in 8 years, she will be a contender.

They are starting to feel like this SOS gig was a trick, and they don't like it one bit.

I was concerned that Obama had no plans for a successor until I heard Caroline was stepping onto the stage.
Now I am convinced that Obama has a plan, and a good one.

[Metric System]

94. It was so nice that you could join us and entertain us with your shit-stirring. Oh...gone so soon?

[AtomicKitten]

95. You could be right in your long term assessment, although I hadn't thought of it in those terms.

Some Clintonites are ungraciously verklempt that Caroline is a serious contender for the NY Senate seat, and you probably just explained why. I would never have guessed that Caroline's opposition would come in the form of Clinton by proxy.

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

58. question:

I'm just wondering how Caroline Kennedy running on her name is any different than Hillary Clinton running on her name? What exactly was Hillary Clinton known for in 2000 besides being Hillary Clinton, the first lady of the U.S.? Are we really to expect that had Hillary Clinton not been the first lady, married to a popular Democrat in the White House, she would have been elected in NY??? What exactly were Hillary Clinton's qualifications for the Senate at the time? I'm genuinely wondering how this situation is different.

[Blarch]

66. Hillary has been speaking up about Bush.

Kennedy has been slient for 8 years.

[salguine]

59. Come on, now, does Chelsea Clinton have dibs, or doesn't she?

[wyldwolf]

61. word is, she a chip off of both blocks

According to a friend of mine involved on the local level in Manhattan, don't be surprised when her name appears on a ballot over the next 5 years of so.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

71. Oy.

Why do we keep promoting dynasties? :eyes:

[Name removed]

73. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

74. Dude, WTF are you smoking?

Palin destroyed herself; she's an idiot. There's nothing wrong with Caroline Kennedy except that she's a poor speaker who isn't automatically entitled to a Senate seat just because she's a Kennedy. She's not a stupid person by any means. Nobody is talking about "destroying" her. I have no idea what you're talking about. I think you might be posting at the wrong website.

BTW, nobody is stupider than Bush. Nobody. Except maybe Palin.

[Metric System]

77. I think we have a visitor. Just look at the profile.

[Genevieve]

82. Lol!

Username: kewldude2009

Send private message Add to buddy list

Profile name Profile value
Avatar Image

[Genevieve]

81. You're such an obvious troll. You're also so stupid.

[Grateful for Hope]

72. I don't think she is interested

but, I think that, after eight years in the Senate, she would be a formidable opponent to any other candidate, including HRC.

[Mudoria]

75. No, you know..

[Book Lover]

83. Why? Do we need one? (nm)

[bottomtheweaver]

86. We need a president who will challenge the military- industrial- intelligence complex

instead of pandering to it, absolutely. Did you notice we're going broke paying for the damn thing? The last president Kennedy wanted to abolish the CIA and you see where that got him, and so far nobody else has even tried, so yes, we've needed one for the last 45 years.

[LostinVA]

88. JFK was a firm member of the Establishment and so is his daughter

Scions of the Establishment only rattle the cage so much, and Caroline Kennedy had not been any type of trailblazing activist, and I doubt she will just suddenly become one. She didn't even declare her support for marriage equality until she became interested in the Senate seat. I actually feel she probably IS for marriage equality, but why didn't she say this years ago, and put her name and time behind getting marriage equality in NY state?

s I said, scions of the Establishment are rarely mavericks, and the ones that are don't join the most exclusive Establishment club in the US. Congress.

Caroline Kennedy may well become a decent Senator, but she sure as hell isn't going to be a maverick. She's had 50 years to do that already and hasn't.

[bottomtheweaver]

89. Seriously, why do you think her father and uncle were assassinated?

Have you ever given that any thought at all? Or do you just take whatever spew the cable propaganda channels are selling at face value? This kind of shallow analysis really astonishes me, and I don't mean that personally.

[LostinVA]

90. Well yes, you do mean that as a personal attack

Saying it's not a personal attack doesn't mean it isn't one.

And, you don't know me at all nor what I know or have read or studied. I don't happen to believe the "Establishment" killed either of the Kennedy men. If you wish to believe that, that's your right. And,m unlike you, I will not personally attack you for holding a view of the Kennedy assassinations that I feel is erroneous.

Her father and uncle were members of the Establishment. As was her mother, her brother, her aunts and uncles, her cousins, and herself and her family. Caroline Kennedy is not a "Rogue Kennedy."

[Book Lover]

97. You're calling the guy who built up the space program someone who challenged the M-I-E Complex?

Reining in the excesses of the CIA, while praiseworthy and yes, apparently part of JFK's agenda, is still a far cry from dismantling the established m/i/e order which supports US global military reach.

I wonder though, as long as we're spinning what-ifs... What makes you think any president would be in favor of dismantling the m/i/e? How could such a person even be elected? And how can you possibly think that this person, Ms. Kennedy, is the one who would be?

[Autumn]

87. Well you know,

it could happen.:shrug:

[AtomicKitten]

91. She has her sights on the NY Senate seat. Let's not overshoot predictions here.

[paulk]

96. is that you, Caroline?

[Fire1]

98. Not a chance in hell.

[ram2008]

99. Women in 2016: Madigan, Hagan

Maybe Napolitano.

Future Tickets:

2016 Schweitzer/Madigan
2024 Madigan/ Biden (Beau)