Pushing Kennedy for President is nothing but idolization in action

[cali]

Kennedy may make a perfectly competent Senator. She's bright and she has a legal background. There's NO evidence at this point to indicate that she has what it takes to be a candidate for Senator let alone for President. She is a truly ineffective public speaker. She has zero charisma, virtually no political accomplishments and has outlined little when it comes to policy. (I support this or that) is not policy.

So why, beyond celebrity hero worship, would anyone be pushing her for President?

It's sad to see that kind of mentality here.

[PM Martin]

1. kick

[Lightning Jack]

2. 8 years ago you could have said the same thing about Hillary

It's sad to see that you have such an ingrained opposition to her that you are rejecting her 8 years ahead of time.

I'll check back in with you in 2016 and see if you're whistling the same tune.

[PBS Poll-435]

4. LOL

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

PM me when Caroline Kennedy gives a historic women's rights speech in China.

[Lightning Jack]

5. I thought speeches weren't qualification enough to be President?

That's what we were told about Obama over and over. He just gives good speeches.

I guess it's a different story whenever it concerns Hillary.

In 8 years, Caroline will have given plenty of great speeches. She will also have been the President's Pointman in the Senate for accomplishing his agenda.

In 2016, she will be a Contender, have no doubt...

[PBS Poll-435]

8. Stop it

my sides are killing me.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Lightning Jack]

14. i'm sure you laughed just as hard when people told you that Obama would be President a year ago

we'll see who laughs last.

[avaistheone1]

13. True! It is very possible.

[Phx_Dem]

10. What are you laughing at?

Hillary's big speech didn't get her elected as president or make a difference in China. And Hillary's the one who made fun of Obama's big anti-war speech which, did, in fact, help get him elected.

I certainly wouldn't advise anyone to take presidential campaign advice from Hillary after the way she ran her own disasterous campaign.

[PBS Poll-435]

18. It might serve you well to get over the primaries.

:-)

[Phx_Dem]

19. WTF do the primaries have to do with anything?

I wasn't a Hillary fan long before the primaries.

I simply inquired about what you found so hilarious about Caroline not giving a speech in China; obviously comparing her to Hillary in a discussion about presidential ambitions.

[PBS Poll-435]

20. Have a nice afternoon!

:-)

[cali]

15. no, I sure couldn't have said the same about HIllary

who had a hell of a distinguished career well before she entered the White House.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

22. And Caroline has been a NYer for most of her life.

[Radical Activist]

44. I would probably oppose Caroline for some of the same reasons

I opposed Hillary. Presidential elections shouldn't be based on a person's last name, and a northestern candidate is not the best way to win a national election. I'd be open to Caroline but I'll hope for a stronger candidate.

[Milo_Bloom]

3. Because....

Even with all that you said, she is still more qualified than 90% of the people who may run in the future.

[bvar22]

6. Obsessing about who a handful of DUers support for President,

....and wasting DU band with with absurd vanity posts is ....well, comical.

I hope your post was meant as satire.

[cali]

16. yes, board nanny. no board nanny. whatever you say little board nanny.

[bvar22]

25. Blah,....blah.......blah

More wasted bandwidth from the self-appointed Queen of Board Spam and boring personal opinions.

[leftstreet]

7. Voting is basically an exercise in 'celebrity hero worship'

They offer us people, not policies.

Then they pound into us that we must vote in order to be good citizens.

:shrug:

[Solon]

9. I vote for policies, not people, probably why I'm perpetually disappointed at the choices we have.

:shrug:

[bottomtheweaver]

11. I imagine it might look that way

to someone who relied the NYT to tell them what to think, not that I'm saying you do, but once you realize that the US press has been reduced to a brainwashing operation disguised as entertainment, media noise begins to have less significance.

Anyway the Kennedys have always worked for peace, going back to Joe Sr., so among other things I see Caroline as a peace candidate, and that very sharply distinguishes her from her peers.

[cali]

17. Joe Sr. was a pig and a Nazi sympathizer

And the Kennedys have both strong and weak points. Stop idolizing and think.

[bottomtheweaver]

27. I'd recommend lowering your intake of propganda.

That's a polite way of saying turn off the boob tube.

[cali]

38. lol. hey, genius

up until October, I didn't have TV at all for nearly 20 years. So obviously I don't get my info from TV. Jumping to conclusions is a fool's game- one you obviously are deeply immersed in.

:hi:

[cali]

39. I recommend you educate yourself. here I"ll help you.

According to Harvey Klemmer, who served as one of Kennedy's embassy aides, Kennedy habitually referred to Jews as "kikes or sheenies." Kennedy allegedly told Klemmer that " individual Jews are all right, Harvey, but as a race they stink. They spoil everything they touch."<10> When Klemmer returned from a trip to Germany and reported the pattern of vandalism and assault on Jews by Nazis, Kennedy responded "well, they brought it on themselves."<14>

On June 13, 1938, Kennedy met with Herbert von Dirksen, the German ambassador in London, who claimed in Berlin that Kennedy had told him that "it was not so much the fact that we want to get rid of the Jews that was so harmful to us, but rather the loud clamor with which we accompanied this purpose. himself fully understood our Jewish policy."<15>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Kennedy#Anti-Semitism

[bottomtheweaver]

41. Wikipedia is for couch potatoes and lazy freshmen.

I'd seriously recommend cutting back on the kool-aid.

[cali]

46. bwahahahahah. Don't like it when your ignorance is revealed, do you?

There are direct quotes for your delectation in the passages I posted for you. That they come from Wiki- which is generally quite reliable, is irrelevant.

Anyone with any knowledge of Joe Sr. knows this stuff is true. It's hardly shocking new info, dearie.

[Jennicut]

12. Caroline will be okay. Heck, she is better then half the crap wasting space in the capital

already so what is the big deal? All this handwringing over Senate appts, is it always like this?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

21. I'm a NYer and although there are couple of other people I'd like appointed, I'm fine with

Caroline. She is probably a heck of a lot more intelligent than most of the Senate and I'm sure she'll be a fast study. Her heart has been in the right place and if she runs again in 2010 and 2012, she would be able to build a war chest to beat Republican contenders. No other Democrat in NY has a higher public profile save Bill Clinton.

[donheld]

23. It's also sad to see people whining about it

People are going to say those kind of things no use whining.

[rhett o rick]

24. Oh good another thread on Caroline. First of all the Senate is broken.

It no longer functions as designed. No more debates on the Senate floor. Senators, in the most part, are puppets for corporate interests. They get all their policies from lobbyists.

Second, Caroline will make a better Senator than probably 50% of the other corporate puppets, if not more.

Third, Political appointments are POLITICAL. There is no use crying about it. (this is not aimed at the OP)

I like Caroline because she isn't part of the "machine".

Go Caroline.

[GarbagemanLB]

28. Yet she will be appointed to it by the machine? Remember, this is an appointment.

If you want to continue with your logic, then clearly the machine doesn't fear her.

[rhett o rick]

31. Damn, I knew there was a catch some where in my "logic". Damn, fantasy dashed by

a cold dose of reality once again.

[retread]

26. That's ALL it is? Ever hear of poisoning the well? n/t

[BeyondGeography]

29. Agreed

[Cleita]

30. That mentality has always been here.

Every time some high profile personality does something DU approves of, there is the Greek chorus. ***** for President, even celebrities and those with no political background to speak of. The primaries stifled a lot of that but it looks like that mentality is back. I think it's adolescent thinking myself, but it's here. Get used to it. Next week it won't be Caroline but someone else.

[question everything]

32. Haven't we just elected a very competent person as our President

with the opes that he will be there for 8 years?

I must have missed something here.

[tigereye]

33. what, people are already saying she should be the POTUS?

wow. That was fast.

[LostinVA]

35. Many posts and a few threads the last few weeks

[NashVegas]

40. Sorry

I think I wrote the second post predicting the senate move as a possible pre-cursor, but that was hardly writing a campaign commercial.

I don't know who went to the press and dragged the whole thing out, but when I made that post, I really didn't think it was something we'd still be discussing three weeks later, let alone controversial. After all, people here were creaming in their seats during the CK/Teddy rally for Obama that was televised last year.

[Muttocracy]

43. well, that is what that Senate seat is for. nt

[NashVegas]

34. You Know, This Is Really Hysterical

There are many people who would say the 2008 campaign was all about idolization in action. I'd be one.

It's a little ridiculous to complain about it, now.

[TK421]

36. Because she's a Kennedy? Is that the answer you're looking for?

because I know plenty of people who still haven't gotten over the fantasy of Americas "Camelot" dynasty political state of mind....my Mom loved JFK ( and pretty much all of the Kennedy's for that matter ) but then again, she lived during that time when he actually was just starting out in politics and saw the assassination ( I wasn't even born yet ). The family itself kind of took on a legacy of hard-times "see, it can happen to us, too" kind of sentiment that attached itself to most Americans at the time....and also saw many tragic deaths in that family that touched the hearts of many people at the time....

Do I hope she is a successful senator? Absolutely....do I think she is entitled just because of her name? Hell, no

If I went into politics because of my last name ( withheld, of course ) I would probably be a star in the political arena ( in opposition to the Kennedy philosophy, of course )

[salguine]

37. Nail on the head.

[PurityOfEssence]

42. Couldn't agree more

It's no wonder that Monarchy has been the dominant form of government for most of recorded human history when you listen to ga-ga hero-worship like this. It's based on precisely nothing.

Sigh.

Nice to agree on something, though...

[davidpdx]

45. I wouldn't push her for president either

As far as I'm concerned, we have our president for 8 years (assuming re-election) and we need to focus on getting stuff done. The rest will eventually work out in a couple of years, but we need to focus on now.

If she's appointed as Senator, then I'll wish her luck and support her. If not, I'll still wish her luck and support whatever she chooses to do.

As a non-New-Yorker, I only hope they appoint someone who will do a good job. Other then that, I stay out of it.

[bettyellen]

47. for president?? wtf, mf, wtf??? omigod they love to jump the gun here. i am in stitches!

[kskiska]

48. No one seemed to have any such trepidation about JFK Jr.

He had a law degree and edited a magazine, aside from celebrity hero worship, and would have had the position for the asking.