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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 10:57 PM Original message |
Barack Obama is a social conservative. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
1. What utter nonsense. n/t |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I agree except for the Tim Kaine gift crony appointment to the DNC |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Yeah, that oracle |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
2. Not in this country. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. Eh, tell that to this guy, a self described "social conservative"... |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #2 |
134. Just because criminals have co-opted the term is no reason for us to go along with it. |
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NRaleighLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
4. Wrong. I was born in 56, my wife in 57 - we are both way left, social liberals. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. You are five years younger than Obama. Also, I never said that everybody goes this way. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
41. 1956 and 1957 is still Generation Jones |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Could be. All I know is that when I was in college the Young Republicans were everywhere. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
66. Please explain (she says, listening to Silversun Pickups and born |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 01:12 AM Response to Reply #66 |
110. Google is your friend |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #41 |
160. Baby Boomer generation is from 1944 - 1964. 56-57 is Boomer |
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Patchuli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 01:50 AM Response to Reply #20 |
111. You meant 5 years older right? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #111 |
123. Yes! Thanks for the correction. Mistyped. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
40. dup |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
5. HA! This thread is almost as good as the Raul Castro one earlier. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 03:59 AM Response to Reply #5 |
113. incredibly, it's even dumber. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
7. Hardly. n/t |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
8. He seems to have lived a very traditional life in many ways. nt |
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GB Observer (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
9. I was born in 1977. What's my ideology? |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I was born in '75. We are the children of Atari, MTV, and Star Wars. In other words |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:07 AM Response to Reply #9 |
94. Touche. |
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iamjoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
10. You Make Good Points |
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Still Sensible (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. Exactly |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. That's essentially what I'm saying. He's not an extremist. He's not a lefty. He's a pragmatist. |
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iamjoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
69. He's A Politician |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:55 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. Dobson is definitely much more conservative than Obama. |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
85. Yeah. I never deluded myself that he was another Kucinich or Wellstone. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:07 AM Response to Reply #85 |
93. This is what I've come to realize. Obama doesn't want to get into messy social arguments. |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #93 |
174. Obama is too cautious. He seems to want to play it safe and not rattle the cages. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
12. social conservatism=Obama? Yeah, okay. I must have hit my head or something. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:08 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Warren himself says he is like Dobson, and calls for assassinations, |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. OK, but we are talking about Obama. I guess that 100% rating by NARAL means nothing... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:11 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Well the poster was citing all these preachy types |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Well, do you remember Father Pfleger and Reverand Wright? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Reverend Wright is an example of the kind of activism that makes Obama uncomfortable. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. The way you describe yourself. you are too far to the left to accurately say who's liberal and cons. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. I don't get to have an opinion? |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:24 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. You can have one, and So Can I. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. I'm not telling you that you aren't qualified to have an opinion. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:45 PM Response to Reply #38 |
71. 'too far to the left' seems to mean gay lately. Just sayin'. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:54 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Thats fuckin bullshit Bluebear. The OP describes himself as a Socialist |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:56 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. I'm a woman. But yes, I am a socialist. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. My apologies for calling you a man. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:58 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. De nada. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:58 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. Yes she does |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. I dont know who said that, but it surely wasnt me. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:00 AM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Nobody says it was you, but it is a fact that quite a few DUers have said so. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #28 |
70. Yes and Obama has fairly run from those churches. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:11 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Obama's personal views on gay rights and abortion are not |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:14 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. You call it social moderate, I call it social conservative. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. I am for gay marriage how am I a social conservative? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:20 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. You're probably little more socially liberal than Obama, but not a great deal. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Are you conflating fussing over The invocation to fussing over Gays having the right to marry? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:24 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. No, I'm drawing a conclusion from the number of people here who have said it's not a priority. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
59. The United States is too caught up in capitalism to be socialist |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:31 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. I think that your views are probably very, very similar to those of Obama. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:33 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Oh yes! My husband laughs because we never fight. I just don't have it in me. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #64 |
77. I knew it. Smile. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
37. Obama and many of his supporters consider Warren to be "moderate." |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. No way is Warren a moderate, he is just as bad if not worse then the rest of em |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
26. Yes, your missing my definition of "social conservative." |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Nope. Social conservatism equals being conservative socially. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. We're probably disagreeing over the definitions of these vague terms. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Do Social Conservatives have 100% ratings from NARAL? |
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Hellataz (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
14. Totally Disagree, I think Obama has a more broad view over social issues then those people |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
60. I'm not saying that he's a bad person. I'm saying that social issues aren't a priority for him. |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #14 |
104. A Team of Rivals by Doris Kearns Goodwin |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
15. We'll see. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
16. What the hell is the Jones Generation |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. Jones Generation is the generation between Gen Xers like me and my parents, the Baby Boomers |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #27 |
58. And do they match the definition as contained in the OP? |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:35 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. I guess Generation Jones is part of the end of the baby boomers |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:09 AM Response to Reply #65 |
97. Thank you for the link. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
61. Generation Jones.. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:03 AM Response to Reply #61 |
90. Now I will agree with this descriptor of the generation. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #90 |
95. I didn't have room to put all that in - but you're getting the idea. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:13 AM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Why take offense. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
79. In this particular OP I don't believe that I criticized him at all. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:46 AM Response to Reply #79 |
106. You don't see this as a criticism? |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
19. I am curious - |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
31. Well, not everybody my age is conservative. I'm not. |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
25. you've never read his books, have you? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:02 AM Response to Reply #25 |
89. Yes, I have, and I don't know why I didn't see this earlier. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
36. Generations Joneser here and always a leftie |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #36 |
50. Me too, but you know what I'm talking about. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
39. I just wish his was more economically progressive. |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
43. Disagree. If you watched the CNN special just the other night |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:22 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Obama was too young for 60's activism. I like that he is past the whole Vietnam thing. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:25 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. He's not a post baby-boomer. He was born in 1961. Boom ended in 1964. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:32 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. Okay not post boomer but he is a younger boomer. My parents are 61 and have nothing in common |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #63 |
83. I am 1960, so I'm almost the same age as your parents. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:28 AM Response to Reply #83 |
101. Really? I thought you were my age the entire time! |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #101 |
128. I might have misunderstood your post about your parents. |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #45 |
57. You're right. These posts that suddenly have him all figured out |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. That's a lot of generalizations that I didn't say, but go ahead. |
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Demi_Babe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
48. couldn't disagree more |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
55. I have no doubt about Obama's commitment to social justice |
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cecilfirefox (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
67. Was for Hillary here to begin with. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:39 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Great start to ur DU Career. You should have added, "ready on Day one" |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:46 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. You don't know what she would have done because she's not |
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Balderdash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #72 |
143. Aren't you one of the ones who's |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:54 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. "You could have gotten someone who's tried, tested, etc." |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-05-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #67 |
84. Deja Vu? n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:00 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Deleted message |
AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:00 AM Response to Reply #86 |
88. You nailed it. n/t |
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cecilfirefox (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #88 |
150. Oh, that's asinine. |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #86 |
157. Oh knock it off - it's "cecilFIREfox" |
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cecilfirefox (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 04:09 PM Response to Reply #157 |
158. lol, thanks. :) |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #158 |
159. Sure |
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cecilfirefox (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #159 |
166. Tell me about it! ;) nt! |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #67 |
92. I think that Leon Panetta was a good choice for CIA. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #67 |
129. The Clintons are just as socially conservative as Obama, if not more, in my opinion. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
91. Dear Yardwork, |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #91 |
96. Agree with every word....Nobody can tell me that a south side of |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:24 AM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Anyone who read his books knows he is passionate about social justice. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:36 AM Response to Reply #99 |
103. With the diversity of his background and his experiences, comparing his life |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:56 AM Response to Reply #103 |
107. I am bewildered by some of the impressions people have of him. n/t |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #103 |
140. It's true that the generation thing may be somewhat tenuous. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 01:11 AM Response to Reply #96 |
109. Deleted sub-thread |
yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #96 |
130. I think you may have misunderstood my point. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
100. His record in Illinois contradicts your essay |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #100 |
105. No, really it doesn't. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 09:14 AM Response to Reply #105 |
116. I'll do it for them, because you are so far off the mark its laughable... |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:34 AM Response to Original message |
102. Close, but you missed the biggest issue of all |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 06:00 AM Response to Reply #102 |
114. Spoken like a true Mainlander. Barack Obama was raised in the most multi-ethnic place imaginable... |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #102 |
124. Thank you for reading and thinking about my post. |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 01:01 AM Response to Original message |
108. You can't really lump Obama in with people his own age |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #108 |
131. I NEVER said that Obama is on the side of bigots or exploiters! |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 02:22 AM Response to Original message |
112. Is this a stream-of-consciousness thread trying to come to grips with Warren? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #112 |
118. someone just doesn't like the guy |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #118 |
137. You've totally missed my point. |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 07:10 AM Response to Original message |
115. Don't agree |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #115 |
136. Obama was a community organizer with faith-based groups. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
117. that's a lot of words but it amounts to a steaming pile of horse shit.. sorry |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
119. Obama is moderate to conservative on social issues |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #119 |
125. Thank you. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
120. And an economic conservative too. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:53 AM Response to Reply #120 |
121. An economic conservative would never propose increased regulation |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #120 |
127. Many liberals are extremely conservative about social issues, I agree. |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
122. most Americans are. the question: will it translate to policy decisions? nt. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #122 |
126. Thank you for stating that most Americans are social conservatives. |
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apnu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
132. OP: Read his book "Audacity of Hope" |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #132 |
135. I have read it, and it reinforces my point. |
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apnu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #135 |
139. I won't disagree with you there. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #139 |
141. I agree with all your points. I've never said that Obama lied. |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
133. He's a mainstream democrat in the tradition of FDR, HST and JFK |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
138. Stereotyping by birthyear... |
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Hawaii Hiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
142. He is???? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
144. And George Bush is an anarcho-syndicalist. nt |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #144 |
146. Very funny. I agree with a lot of what the anarcho-syndicalists say. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #146 |
148. But George Bush grew up during the time of political ferment that shaped anarcho-syndicalism. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
145. How sad it would be if a wide-view anthropologist mom raised a social conservative! |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #145 |
147. Happens all the time. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #147 |
149. It does? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #149 |
151. Actually, the UU church probably is fairly popular with social conservatives. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #151 |
154. I've never come across social conservatives in any of the UU churches... |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
152. What happened to Obama being "the most liberal Senator" |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #152 |
156. The right is lying, as usual, and their definition of liberal is not accurate. |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #156 |
161. Obama's fooled a lot of people then |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #161 |
162. Apples and oranges! I voted for him, too, and sent him money. Of course he's better than McCain. |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #162 |
167. So you really think they endorsed Obama |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #167 |
168. Are you serious? OF COURSE they endorsed Obama so that McCain wouldn't win. |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #168 |
169. Duh! |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #169 |
171. I didn't say anything like that. We are clearly not communicating. |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
153. All the more reason to protest loudly... |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #153 |
155. Exactly. And by restoring the definition of conservatism, we move the argument back to the left. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
163. You Know I Really Think It's Much More Simple Than This |
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jesus_of_suburbia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
164. Fantastic post, as usual, yardwork! Well thought out points that make sense. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #164 |
165. Thank you. You are one of the few who feels that way, apparently! |
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jesus_of_suburbia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #165 |
176. Honestly, I think some people are too afraid to speak the truth. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
170. If a social conservative is defined by not looking to tear down the order |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #170 |
172. I don't see that you have any major difference with my OP except perhaps choice of words. |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
173. Read "Audacity of Hope" and then do your research on his IL and US Senate records |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #173 |
175. If you read the thread, you will learn that I have already read his books. |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #175 |
177. If you've read his books, it's impossible to understand why you would think he's |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-06-09 11:08 PM Response to Reply #173 |
178. Moderates think that civil unions are a moderate position, |
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