Regarding the "Stop Howard Dean" movement - The Pudding !

[Hoppin_Mad]

From a Clark Blog - The poster's name sounds VERY familiar. Please point me to the organized "Stop Clark" movement.

"Above the fray ?" LOL !

http://mmrowka.forclark.com/story/2003/12/14/235050/02

Stop Howard Dean Movement

By mmrowka
Posted to mmrowka's weblog (Call To Action ) on Sun Dec 14th, 2003 at 11:50:50 PM EST

Last night a few of us went to a Dean event to talk to people, be visible, etc. and we were treated like dirt from the moment we walked in the door. But of course it was alright for them to come and protest our rally and scream when representatives from the Clark campaign were talking to us.
 
Wes is against attacking Dean, but that doesn't mean that we can't do it ourselves. My friend and I are working to create a grassroots coalition to stop Howard Dean from getting the Democratic nomination. We want Clark people, Gephardt people, Kerry people, anyone you can think of to join this fight. This fight will have nothing to do with Wes, it is just about stopping Howard Dean. If they have the power, then so do we and I think its time we used it.
 
Right now we need people who have web skills as well as grassroots organizing experience. This is going to be hard work but it is possible. It is amazing what a handful of dedicated people with an idea can achieve and once we start this ball rolling who knows how many people will get on board. Our entire campaign is based on that thinking.

[JohnKleeb]

1. This isnt good

If we want to prevent him from getting the nomination, we gotta promote our candiate,maybe people will listen, I oppose a stop Dean movement, I prefer a Promote Kucinich movement.

[adamrsilva]

4. They are just like the Republicans

They can't win on their own terms, so they have to ban together and organize a movement against another candidate.

[JohnKleeb]

7. It is rather idiotic

Think about it this way though adam, while they are trying to stop Dean while they could be promoting their candiate, it aint gonna help the guy. I would rather promote my guy the honest, old fashion way then promote him by having a stop Dean movement. I got my issues with Dean but I prefer another candiate who I am more uncomfortable with, dissing Dean wont help. In fact, when Dean is dissed his fiancial contribs go up, I wonder if anyone will use reverse pysch lol, be positive on Dean and shit. So yes this Stop Dean movement is bullshit.

[Democrats unite]

10. That could be said about any candidate.

eom

[Atlant]

28. There's a reason for that. (NT)

[eileen from OH]

13. Admirable statement! Thanks for saying that!

Just got back from our Dean Meetup which is Bash-Free, simply based on the fact that we don't have time for it. I start out with "You want to bash another Dem, that's fine, but please arrange your own meeting for it. At this meeting, we've got better stuff to do."

Amazing how well that works.

eileen from OH

[JohnKleeb]

16. No Problem

This wont help them, its stupid too, I admit I have my problems with Dean but I wont dedicate a whole frigging website to it, anyhow maybe just maybe people will listen to the issues which IMO are the most important thing, and yes I am an idealogical purist, but am also ABB at the same time.

[w13rd0]

2. Oh please...

...this is probably the same puddinghead that has for months threatened people and just made shit up to suit his purposes. Lots of Clark supporters view him with a healthy dose of skepticism. As well they should. Anyone consumed by such irrational hate belongs on the other side of the aisle.

ON EDIT: And when you walk into a Dean event promoting a 12 step plan to "Kick the Dean Addiction", do you expect to be treated like a puffyprince? What a moran.

ON SECOND EDIT: "Crank it up." Uh-huh...

[jmaier]

3. I continue to think that

it's pretty odd to hold any of the candidate's accountable for the silly stunts of ardent yet misguided supporters. That includes taking Gov Dean to task for the NBD signatures that pop up around here.

I'm a very frequent visitor to the Clark blog and I've never seen the handle 'mmrowka' posting in the general blog discussion threads so it can't be someone who is to omnipresent.

But, hey. Make of it what you will. It's almost still a free country. LOL




Wes Clark. He will make an extraordinary American President.

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[JohnKleeb]

9. Hawkeye do I need glasses

I could have sworen his name was RAGEAGAINSTTHEMACHINE, and yes I do remember him. Anyhow this shit is bullshit, I would rather stop Bush than Dean, and if I am gonna stop Dean, I wont do it by bashing him or dedicating a site to, but my promoting my own candiate.

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[JohnKleeb]

17. ok do a search

:)
I was just sayin man, what a moron. Its his loss really, I would rather have a stop bush site than a stop Dean one but thats just me.

[Jerseycoa]

6. I think this is a movement

in his or her own mind. Don't hold it against those of us who are sane, please.

[Hoppin_Mad]

11. I don't hold it against you or most other Clark supporters

But was VERY shocked and dissapointed to see this on a quasi-official Clark blog.

[Jerseycoa]

18. That blog is not even quasi-official

I'd rather not have seen it, either, but those are personal blogs. Believe me, this whole thing is going nowhere. It's bunk. I do want to say that I have seen some stuff lifted off Dean blogs that curled my hair, but I dismissed it once I calmed down. It's like this flyer thing today. It made me unhappy, it made me pissed. But, you know what? It's politics and it's that way sometimes.

[Hoppin_Mad]

23. ANYBODY can use the official looking layout and graphics ? -eom-

[SahaleArm]

27. Pretty much - There's little protection for political campaigns...

The blog uses scoop and allows for individual blog posts - Like diaries on Kos. You could create your own or post messages.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

20. Anybody can post anything on those blogs..... It's pretty lax

n/t

[PretzelWarrior]

8. Anybody But Dean? THis is getting stupid.

support YOUR candidate and let chips fall where they may.

[Democrats unite]

12. I agree it's as bad as NBD.

eom

[PretzelWarrior]

15. yes, that is just as untenable of a position to defend for Dems

as well. How could you in good conscience take your ball and go home if Dean doesn't win and we still need an active Dem base and indy vote to shake up? I'm just glad Bush is p!ssing off his core constituents.

[Hoppin_Mad]

21. Where ARE these people ? -eom-

[slinkerwink]

19. it's been stupid for a loooooong time....

[QC]

22. If I put up a half-ass website, can I be a "movement"?

There could well be a vast, shadowy "Stop Dean Movement" out there somewhere, but convincing me would require more evidence that one site by an obvious crackpot.

This reminds me of what Andrew Sullivan did when he was under fire for his "fifth column" remark: he found some small, obscure group of no more than fifteen members, only one or two of whom were Americans, and pointed to their website as proof that he was right all along.

It convinced no one.

[Hoppin_Mad]

25. He is (or was) a very prolific poster on DU - Important I think -eom-

[rogerhall]

24. They say it takes all kinds, but there are a few kinds I could do without

I think the most honest of us can admit that each candidate attracts people that they wouldn't necessarily prefer to have ...

[thebigthink]

26. I can see the headlines now...

Democratic Gang Wars Erupt in Tulsa

Here's a thought. If you have no interest in what a candidate might have to say, don't go to their rally. People who came out to see the guy have a right to hear him out and decide for themselves what they think about him. There's no benefit for anyone, particularly whoever you support yourself, in crashing someone else'e party. If the Deanies did it first, that's their Karma.

[Moderator]

29. I am locking this thread.

It is against the rules of Democratic Underground to call out another poster. This is also a continuation of a previous flamewar.