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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 08:45 AM
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What was the purpose of the 9/11 attacks?
Was it about future attacks, or was it about destroying us economically and militarily?

I'm sick of hearing the Republicans and the media touting Bush's one accomplishment of keeping us safe, when Bin Laden was the one who was victorious.

Bin Laden got exactly what he wanted from Bush, and the media refuses to acknowledge it.



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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 08:52 AM
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1. And Bush was responsible for 911
Wouldn't have happened if Gore had been in the White House.
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adadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 09:13 AM
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6. I'm with you on this one
Edited on Fri Jan-16-09 09:14 AM by cheryl27
I will believe til the day I die that they allowed it to happen

They knew enough to warn important people not to fly commercial...that's enough for me

Gore would have listened to Richard Clark and all the other warnings
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 11:48 AM
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27. The flight school information most certainly should have been...
followed up on..that is the one thing that I can't quite reconcile in my mind. Somebody at the FBI shut that investigation down. WHY?
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 04:02 PM
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38. bu$h & cheney did 9-11
Period
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 05:20 PM
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43. Exactly, and it was for the oil!
Period!
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 08:53 AM
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2. The purpose was to draw the US into a long fight in the Middle East
Edited on Fri Jan-16-09 08:53 AM by tekisui
that would break out will and our Treasury. chimpy took the bait, and his cronies profited on death.

Mission Accomplished!
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 09:08 AM
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5. wherever Bin Laden is, (if he is still alive) is laughing his head off
because it was our government who took us all down. Just like when the Bin Laden was in the Muhjadeen in Afghanistan and fighting against the Russians, he was very proud that the Russians were defeated and took down that government too.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 11:38 AM
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19. Which is why it's a huge mistake for us to take the bait in Afghanistan..
Edited on Fri Jan-16-09 11:39 AM by Virginia Dare
the last thing in the world we should do is start an all out offensive there. That's where Empires go to die.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 11:37 AM
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18. The Saudis wanted us out of their territory...
I'd say the objectives were met rather successfully. It was actually two-fer. Not only did We high-tail it out of S.A., but we took out Saddam Hussein, who was the only secular check against Muslim fundamentalist rule in the region. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 01:26 PM
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31. Actually, King Abdallah of Jordan is pretty secular and has
been far more friendly to the United States throughout the years (his father was, too).

In fact, in-so-far as terrorism prevention, Jordan has been more valuable to the United States than even Israel since 2001.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 05:13 PM
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42. Agreed, however..
it seems that things in Iran began to unravel shortly after we invaded Iraq. I don't see the Jordanians having much influence there, but perhaps I'm missing the whole picture.

BTW, did you catch Queen Noor on MSNBC the other morning, she was impressive.
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 08:57 AM
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3. Riechtag Fire
So he could gut the constitution...
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bottomtheweaver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 09:44 AM
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10. And get rid of some highly unprofitable real estate
that was slathered in megatons of asbestos.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 09:45 AM
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11. bullshit.
A) he didn't destroy the Constitution. He dinged it more than destroyed it. B) I will never believe that bushy would attack his own class and base.


Anyone believing this is simply deluded.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 01:39 PM
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34. Yeah that's right
Bush merely dinged the US constitution, there is a little scratch on the constitution right? Do you even pay attention?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 11:28 AM
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15. Ah, the power of the internet. It gives courage and voice to the perpetually disgruntled.
Forget MIHOP, the real story is ADIOP-2DUFTC

ALIENS DID IT ON PURPOSE - TO DISTRACT US FROM TOM CRUISE
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 11:40 AM
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20. Nah, they just used it as an excuse...n/t
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 07:58 PM
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51. For what reason? Does Bush simply hate the Constitution?
:shrug:
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 09:07 AM
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4. Being an attack on the trade center it was to destroy us economically
Remember, they tried it once before. Terrorists attack the Western world's symbols in an effort to destroy the power of the Western world. Just like Bush's terrorist war in Iraq the goal is to bring the enemy to their knees and to destroy their power by destroying the culture and imposing ours.

Bin Laden didn't succeed directly, but he has been an overwhelming success just by letting Bush destroy us in the Middle East and in the eyes of the world as well as cripple us economically at home. He may be a terrorists but he's a lot smarter than Bush is. He knows that as long as Bush is aggressive in the world there will be more than enough converts to terrorist tactics. So Bin Laden can sit back and let Bush do his work for him.

Neither man cares for the people they claim to be serving. It's all about their egotistical narcissistic pathology. They are mirror images of each other and survive only through the existence of the other one.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 11:46 AM
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26. Ironically while they were flying airplanes into buildings..
Wall Street was busy destroying itself.
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EraOfResponsibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 07:54 PM
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50. You better SPEAK that truth!
go 'head now, I'm scared of you. :)
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 09:16 AM
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7. To kill lots of people
Thank you and good night.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 09:36 AM
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8. I buy into the notion that it was to get our troops and military bases out of Saudi Arabia. This
is their holy land and the way they saw it, it was completely unacceptable and unholy having American troops there. They succeeded in their mission, in that, we no longer have bases there. You did notice that most of the hi-jackers were Saudi.

Another aspect of this was to make a statement against our blind support of Israel and our foreign policy in general in the middle east.

And lastly, I think they wanted to bring down this country economically, because they know that by doing this, long term, it would bring us down militarily also.

Only simple minds believe that there is only one reason for anything. I believe that the answer lies somewhere in the reasons that I have provided, and then some, with the holy land of Saudi Arabia being a major factor.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 11:45 AM
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25. If they were making a statement about our blind support of Israel..
I would question what their objectives were. I would argue that it just hardened American hearts against Muslims. To get to the bottom of who was behind these attacks, I think we need to step back and look at exactly who benefited the most from it. It certainly was not the Muslim world.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 03:42 PM
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35. As I said, there are many factors involved. I would think that our support of Israel would have to
be a contributing factor however, just the same. They were not looking for sympathy from America. They were lashing out.

Look at the embassies around the world right now, especially in muslim countries, and see where the most violent and most vocal protests are being held. These people are not protesting because they want sympathy or are afraid of our military might. They are protesting because they are pissed at what they are seeing going on in Gaza right now. We are loosing the public relations battle in these countries, big time.

For every action, there is always a counter force to deal with.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 05:11 PM
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41. For every action, there is always a counter force to deal with..
this is the part that the stupid moron who called himself President never got. He could never grasp that every political force in the world is connected. Now we suffer the consequences.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 06:14 PM
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46. Yes, after 911 the US approached terrorism the same way the
Israelis did. Before 911, Clinton tried to take out bin Laden, but they couldn't because there were civilians around. After 911, we didn't mind dropping bombs on civilians because they "supported terrorists."
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 07:46 PM
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49. Chicken or the egg.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 09:40 AM
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9. 9/11 as the Reichstag Fire ushering in the concept of perpetual war
against ill-defined, ever-changing foes and a direct, forceful assault on the freedoms and traditions enjoyed by most Americans. A twofer for the death merchants and criminal cabal of the ultra-right wing.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 09:46 AM
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12. Take this idiocy to the dungeon. That's where it belongs.
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Rebubula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 12:46 PM
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29. Hmmm..
...you are familiar with the Constitution and term limits, right?

As much as I despise Bush et al, I think it willfully ignorant to think that he would attack the country for that purpose.

We will be back and stronger than before. Those that are counting this country as down and out are wrong. We are NOT our government - we are the PEOPLE!
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 11:21 AM
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13. Yes, Bin Laden won even by Bush's criteria. He has always maintained
that the terrorists hate us for our freedoms. Look how many freedoms Bushco has curtailed or completely taken away due to 9/11.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 11:27 AM
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14. K&R
:kick:
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 11:32 AM
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16. I think they were mad about something.
Most of the hijackers were European residents who felt humiliated by western racism. So they murdered a lot of people. Don't try and understand the thinking of people like that; it's smarter to just fix the core problems that allow terrorist leaders to recruit suckers, like those hijackers, to do their bidding.
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bottomtheweaver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 11:37 AM
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17. "Don't try and understand the thinking of people like that"
because if you do you'll realize they don't exist. And don't try to understand how the world's most massively overbuilt highrises could disintegrate in seconds from office fires in the upper floors because if you do you'll realize that's complete nonsense too.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 01:28 PM
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33. Someone's got to talk to Skinner about leaving the back window open
bugs keep flying in
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 11:42 AM
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23. I don't buy that this was the act of some disgruntled fundamentalist nutbags..
this took money and power to plan and carry out. There were some heavy hitters behind this attack. It was done for political reasons. Perhaps we'll never know the full truth of it.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 01:27 PM
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32. Of course it took money & power. That doesn't mean they didn't use fundy nutbags as foot soldiers
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 05:10 PM
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40. Absolutely, but that is all they were..
I doubt that poor schmuck that they tortured at GITMO even knew what he was going to be doing in the U.S.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 11:40 AM
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21. for power and money - neo cons are all about business


going their way, thus the need for power.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 11:41 AM
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22. To piss us off, so we'd bomb the crap out of two Muslim countries
It worked, too.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 11:44 AM
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24. Figures this thread would be infested with dungeon rats.
Anyway, yes. Bin Laden believes, as do all fundamentalists, that rational secularist culture is at war with his traditional values. The purpose of 9/11 was to draw America--the chief exporter of consumerism--into a war on their terms. And we jumped at the bait.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 12:36 PM
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28. To cover up the missing $2.3 trillion Rummy mentioned on 9/10, and
to create a cover to do whatever the hell they wanted to erode our civil rights, shred the constitution, get Cheney's then-worthless Halliburton stock options above water again (I think they're worth $300M or more right now; for the 2 years before pre-9/11 Halli was losing $1B a year, and their first contract was for $2B. they've made much more since of course)
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 05:24 PM
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44. true,also.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 01:15 PM
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30. Fear, fear and more fear.
Erosion of rights
Illegal wiretaps
Torture
Got Habeas Corpus?
Martial Law
Preemptive Wars

Anything less is so pre9/11. Get with the times!
:puke:
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 03:44 PM
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36. To goad us into how we reacted
Destroy our own economy-check
Instill fear to cause us to undermine our own freedoms and way of life in a vain effort to gain security-check
Over extend the military to pin us down-check
To get us to kill the hell out of Arabs to create fervor against the west-check

I'm sure there was more to it but that's a start.



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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 03:51 PM
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37. To get us to over react and waste our resources and destroy our own credibility in the world
Edited on Fri Jan-16-09 03:52 PM by Jake3463
Bin Laden never had a plan in his wildest dreams to invade America.

Which brings us to the problem with Bush with everything he never asks Why? He just decides.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 04:03 PM
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39. To ruin America, and, thanks to *, it was a thundering success
he was probably complicit in the attack.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 05:35 PM
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45. it was always about destroying our economy
bin Laden won the day * attacked Iraq. That was the beginning of the end.

Doubtless he had read the PNAC plan...it was out there on the web for all to see. He's a smart mothahfuckah and knew pretty much what * would do.

There was never a need for additional attacks here, and bin Laden knew that from day 1. He's been sitting somewhere in a comfortable, well-outfitted cave...laughing at us all.
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bottomtheweaver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 06:48 PM
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47. While we're at it, what is the purpose of the Iraq war,
seeing as how we toppled their president and declared victory some years ago? And since we're talking big questions, what is the purpose of bombing the shit out of Afghanistan?
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 07:03 PM
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48. There have been some great books recommended and posted
on this subject. Try reading one. Real eye opening stuff.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 08:00 PM
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52. It was the only way to scare the sheeple into buying the treasonous PNAC agenda
“The process of transformation is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event—like a new Pearl Harbor.” - PNAC's "Rebuilding America's Defenses" :eyes: , 2000
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