HBO is a major homophobic media outlet.

[cliffordu]

Besides the fact that through Showtime, they developed the character of David Fisher on Six Feet Under as a loving, three dimensional man who happened to be gay.

I still think it sucks that I couldn't hear Robinson's invocation for whatever reason.


Maybe they've changed their minds since this morning, when they omitted the Robinson invocation and tonight when they showed 'The L word'.....Cause it's on now.

On Edit:


Obviously forgot the sarcasm tag..

[Jane Austin]

1. Six Feet Under was on Showtime?

Weird. We only get HBO and we saw it.

[cliffordu]

6. I watch them both all the time, I know they are owned by the same people -

and Michael C Hall is now on Dexter, on Showtime....perhaps my brainfart started there......

[nsd]

2. Are you sure about that?

According to this, HBO is one of the good guys.

[NYCGirl]

3. The previous poster is correct. There goes your analysis. And "The L Word" is

on Showtime. You're a bit confused.

[cliffordu]

8. Showtime and HBO are owned by the same people.

look it up.

[Beaverhausen]

14. Wrong - HBO is Time Warner. Showtime is Viacom

[NYCGirl]

15. Showtime is owned by CBS, and HBO is owned by Time Warner. Look it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hbo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showtime

[cliffordu]

20. oops my bad.....

[kwassa]

18. You are wrong. Time-Warner owns HBO, CBS owns Showtime.

I looked it up, just like you asked.

http://www.freepress.net/ownership/chart/main

[Solon]

19. What the hell is this supposed to mean, did you mean same people or same TYPE of people...

seriously, spit it out what you actually mean.

[cliffordu]

24. I fucked up, thought it was a single corporation, that's all.

as in HBO/Showtime. oops.

Same type of people? Sure. Media Moguls.

kinda stretched for that one, didn't ya??

[Solon]

33. Far less of a stretch than what you attempted with this thread in the first place. n/t

[cliffordu]

36. Tell the class what that would be.

I saw much angst on other threads about HBO purposely dissing the GLBT community by cutting Robinson.

Which, as it turns out was as much bullshit as the poutrage over the imaginary sound system problem.

[Solon]

41. Actually, all most people who are exclaiming their "poutrage" are saying is that...

someone fucked up, very few of us have said who. The only ones who are blaming HBO in particular seem to be you and a few others.

[cliffordu]

43. Except if you could read you would understand my OP is a cynical attempt

to point out the obvious flaw in thinking HBO did this on purpose.

But that being said, the Poutrage Posse is doing a pretty good job tonight.

[Solon]

45. So you are admitting you erected a very flawed strawman to knock down?

And quite badly, I might add.

[cliffordu]

47. Heh. Nice bait. You are a master at that.

[jberryhill]

48. And "Ellen" is a Time Warner product /nt

[cliffordu]

50. Right!!

[AntiFascist]

72. Maybe someday, the way its going n/t

[yardwork]

89. You fucked up in more ways than one in this thread.

[cliffordu]

91. Tell the class what you know, or is this another hit and run special...

[Maven]

86. No, they aren't.

[Solon]

4. Stupidest post of the day, congratulations!

:eyes:

[cliffordu]

9. Coming for you that's a vote of confidence.

[Solon]

17. Considering that you can't even get basic facts about media ownership straight...

I stand by my comment, and then some.

[cliffordu]

25. The point stands.

I don't give a fuck what you stand next to. Really.

[Solon]

29. You had a point? Since when?

:rofl:

[cliffordu]

40. Not as stupid as the OP you made about the mic not being on for Robinson,

sparky.

[Solon]

44. Did I proclaim it as an indisputable fact?

No I didn't, so there goes that argument.

[cliffordu]

49. bla de blah de blah....we got it....on to the next.

:hurts:

[Vanje]

77. Check this OP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8104544

[cliffordu]

82. Which, oddly enough runs counter to the other posts wherein everyone heard

every word....

SO: I guess it depended on where you stood.

:shrug:

[Vanje]

88. I guess it depended on where you stood

Not as stupid as the OP you made about the mic not being on for Robinson,

Clifford, dont you get tired of being proven wrong over and over?

I guess the OP he made about the mike not being on for Robinson wasnt all that stupid after all, sparky

[cliffordu]

94. Lots of people heard Robinson and you know it. Nice try with the chronic

poutrage, though.

Depends on where you were standing.

The mike was on, and you're a lying sack of poutrage.

[yardwork]

93. Care to revise your accusations that we were lying?

I wasn't there. I have to take the word of those who were there.

[cliffordu]

97. As do I. I've seen a couple of posts about the PA working

and people listening almost all the way back at the Washington Monument.......

Saying the PA wasn't on is complete bullshit. You should be ashamed of yourself for perpetuating this shit.

[yardwork]

90. There are at least three eyewitness posts from people who were there and couldn't hear

This is one. There are at least two more here on DU tonight.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8104182&mesg_id=8104592

[cliffordu]

95. And several who COULD hear and were there posted, too. that means the mike was on.

So: Continue the barking, and let fly the boors of poutrage!!!!

[cynatnite]

5. HBO: All Aboard! Rosie's Family Cruise...

http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/allaboard/index.html

Please don't make massive judgments like that without checking into the facts please.

[DesertRat]

10. I loved that documentary about Rosie's Family Cruise

It was beautifully done and made me cry.

[cynatnite]

26. Same here. Kids were extraordinary, I thought. n/t

[Vanje]

7. Keep stirring

Stir the same shit in multiple threads. Be a shit-stirring hero

[cliffordu]

12. Don't be hatin'

[Vanje]

27. Stir it, Daddio! nt

[cliffordu]

32. Stir what? read the whole OP, did ya??

If that's stirring it, then I guess I will.

Aren't you attacking people on another thread right now? Multitasking??

[Vanje]

63. Shit

1.)Stirring shit.
I see you edited out all that "poutrage" crap from your OP.

2.)You're also batting around a big gay straw man.
I dont think most of the people here at DU who are angry about Robinson's being omited from the concert broadcast are angry at the network which produced the concert. Do you? Really?
I think you seized upon a fairly atypical post in another thread (which you do not link to), and present it here as some kind of huge source of...how did you put it earlier?... "poutrage".

3.)Your OP is pure sarcastic belittling flamebait.

[cliffordu]

67. I added the sarcasm line. I didn;t take ANYTHING out of it, sparky.

Try to fucking keep up. keerist.

[racaulk]

22. Exactly.

Some people just can't help themselves.

[Beaverhausen]

11. I'm watching the We Are One concert right now - for free. I'm on the west coast

I'm confused

[kwassa]

13. HBO does not own Showtime

What are you talking about?

[NYC_SKP]

16. I get it, it's subtle but I get it.

Of course I read the entire OP, then I read it again, then I chuckled.

If I got HBO I'd probably have chucked right off, but I've never heard of those shows.

[cliffordu]

30. 6 feet under was spectacular in it's treatment of that gay character....

IIRC he was the first character on TV portrayed as a regular person who happened to be gay. You know, like real life.

There was, however, an outcry because the actor playing the role was straight.

[NYC_SKP]

42. I remember the news, HBO broke ground in that sense.

but I guess because you misidentified them with "the L word", your credibility is just shot all to hell! :rofl: :thumbsup:

[cliffordu]

46. Can't tell the difference. It's all nekkid people running around doing all kinds o'

scary stuff.

There was DEAD BODIES in that one program, for christs sake.

:rofl:

[NYC_SKP]

60. Were they played by dead actors?

And if they weren't, I'm outraged.

[cliffordu]

61. Well....

:rofl:

[dsc]

21. apparently you can't even get simple facts straight

First, HBO and Cinemax are owned by the same people, not showtime. Second, HBO didn't leave Robinson out, the committee did by scheduling him at 2:20 and not saying in any of their publicity that they did so. It isn't HBO's fault Robinson wasn't on the air it is Obama's inagural committee's fault.

[racaulk]

23. When did facts ever get in the way of shit stirring?

[Cha]

28. Contact HBO..I think they need letters asking

why Gene Robinson wasn't shown?

http://www.hbo.com/corpinfo/faq.shtml

[NYC_SKP]

34. Thanks, zidzi. You posted this elsewhere, it can't hurt to call them on it.

And it's got to be more productive than some other stuff... :crazy:

[Cha]

53. I'll be writing them tomorrow

when I can think better. I definetly would like to know and it would only help if they got a lot of action on that inquiry.

We could always ask Gene Robinson what he knows too. I read his Invocation on grant's OP and it was magnificent!

[NYC_SKP]

55. Me too, best speech I've read in a while.

I've been searching for any reliable reports of what went down, we won't know til tomorrow but I'm glad to hear the mics were on and that many people heard it.

WTF happened with HBO, on the other hand, or the organizers, I don't know.

Someone might have dropped the ball in coordinating the timing to be sure to include the invocation, but I'm not going to pass judgment and draw conclusions this early.

[TheWraith]

31. I think you're mixing your networks. SFU was HBO, L Word is Showtime.

They're not affiliated with each other, HBO's sibling network is Cinemax.

[cliffordu]

35. Yep - I fucked that up. Sorry.

Although, in my defense I had the 6 feet under thingy right, just not on showtime....


Ah, well. Another day, another fuckup.

[NYC_SKP]

37. Well I'm just gonna have to....

Drop a Lolcat on your thread.
.

.

.

.

[cliffordu]

39. OMFG!!!! The Humanity, The humanity!!!!!

I am SOOOOO Sorry....

but not really, that's a great lolcat!!!!!

:hi:

[TheWraith]

38. Bah. We all make mistakes. Don't worry about it. nt

[cliffordu]

51. Thanks. How ya doing?

:hi:

[JimGinPA]

52. 'Common Threads: Stories from the Quilt' - 1989

Made for HBO. Definately homphobic.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=6948329

[IndianaGreen]

54. HBO's coverage began at 2:30 pm, someone scheduled Robinson for 2:20 pm

Blame whoever did the scheduling. Also blame cable news for giving us nothing but chatter rather than coverage of the celebration.

[cliffordu]

57. I couldn't BELIEVE that CNN thought their talking heads were more fucking

important than the ceremony...

I shouldn't be surprised, they did the same thing during the Democratic Convention....

[NYC_SKP]

58. Roger that, where the hell was CNN, MSNBC, or anyone else?

sigh.

[Name removed]

56. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[NYC_SKP]

59. The OP is expressing sarcasm, it's used here on rare occasions.

But missed by many, even seasoned veteran members of this board.

Welcome to DU, if you're new!

[cliffordu]

62. Sarcasm is dangerous to try....

And you can FORGET irony. Snatch the life right out of you.....

[Vanje]

65. ...and he's OUTTA here!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=235358

[NYC_SKP]

66. LOL...

He was "chosen" rather quickly....

I wonder what his other three comments were....:rofl:

[NYC_SKP]

64. Complain to HBO HERE:

No, not here at DU,

here at their web comment page: http://www.hbo.com/apps/submitinfo/contactus/submit.do?title=General%20Information&questiontype=general

:patriot:

[Undercurrent]

68. ?

Besides the HBO show "Six Feet Under", HBO also made "Angels in America", and "The Band Played On".

[cliffordu]

69. Forgot the sarcasm tag....

[Undercurrent]

70. Why?

[cliffordu]

74. Some folks, who don't really read the OPs overreact....I should have

been clearer about what a stellar record HBO has on GLBT characters.

Or used the sarcasm tag.

And besides, I'm a deadbeat.

[Undercurrent]

78. OK

All is cool then.

[cliffordu]

81. Yo!

:hi:

[grantcart]

71. I would really like to help you out on this thread but

it really is fucked up beyond all possible understanding.



If you were trying to say that its not HBO's fault then I agree.


:nopity:

:spank:

:nuke:

:hide:

:loveya:

[cliffordu]

75. That's my grantcart.

If YOU don't get my humor, I'll have to go back to rehab.

:hi:

I wasn't very clear. Sorry. Wrong about HBO and showtime being the same outfit, too.

[Bluenorthwest]

80. I also don't think HBO did this...

HBO is not a homophobic company. But they don't own Showtime nor make the L Word 'through' them. Or any of that. Facts are facts. And satire without tight facts is a failure. Satire on the internet is difficult anyway.
The planners of the stage show placed Robinson ahead of the live feed portion of the show, effectively removing him from the line up for most of America. I assume it was the same crowd who has done similar things in the past.

[cliffordu]

83. Third time on two threads you've needed to rant on the showtime thingy.

you ought to get a fucking life.

And on another line you stated that HBO was only semi-freindly to the GLBT community.... (paraphrased).

So in case you missed it AGAIN:

HBO brought you

Angels in America,
6 feet under,
"If These Walls Could Talk.",
Rosies' boat thingy,
Common Threads: Stories from the Quilt,
The Laramie Project,
The Middle Sexes,
"Normal"
So, yeah. I guess HBO is semi-gay friendly.

[Bluenorthwest]

87. Well you and I are speaking on very different levels

I know all about HBO. All the facts, and the street address. You do not have the facts, but that does not stop you from making declarations. Showtime is far more gay friendly in terms of content and in terms of openess in company. Some people in power at HBO have not been the keenest people toward gays or women. A nuance that might be lost on a person who thinks they are the same company.
Once you get so much incorrect, trying to play teacher is not a wise move. I'm in showbiz. This is my life. What's yours? Certainly no meetings at Showtime or HBO, that much we know!

[cliffordu]

96. Blah de blah de blah bark, bark whoof whoof. We got it, on to the next.

[Bluenorthwest]

73. You've been spouting this false made up stuff

all over the place. It is not accurate in any way. Any conclusions drawn from it would be moot. this 'through Showtime' line you repeat is delusional. Ford produces the Civic 'through Honda' as well I guess, in your world of improvisational truth?
This lack of caring for honest discourse is a mark of character.

[cliffordu]

76. My tomatoes lack character, my Civic, not so much.

Pass that bottle over here....


:beer:

[cliffordu]

79. And in case you missed it on that other thread you shit on me over the showtime thingy...

HBO brought you

Angels in America,
6 feet under,
"If These Walls Could Talk.",
Rosies' boat thingy,
Common Threads: Stories from the Quilt,
The Laramie Project,
The Middle Sexes,
"Normal"
So, yeah. I guess HBO is semi-gay friendly.

[Bluenorthwest]

92. I'm not talking about the content

Im talking about the company. 'HBO' as a company. Not what they air, who they are. Shop talk when I should be talking about how great Bruce sounded or something. It was great to see Stevie and others up there. The show was nice over all.
And I'd like to note, that I do not blame HBO for the lack of Robinson, never said I did. Just said that they have been semi-friendly. Showtime has been really friendly. I stand by that. HBO does some great things, and I expect more gret things from them in the future. They do strive for excellence and inclusion. Showtime has a wilder risk factor and will develop rather than merely harvest GLBT oriented product. To me there is a difference in how the two companies do business in terms of this specific issue. I like one better than the other in the office, the other on the screen.
The live stage people made today's mistake. Not HBO. HBO likes money, likes getting good material.

[CakeGrrl]

84. Don't forget "The Wire"

The biggest, baddest guy on its Baltimore streets was gay Omar Little.

[cliffordu]

85. That's right!!! I LOOOOVED Omar.