Did Mika just say the New Deal didn't work?

[Bonn1997]

Or did I mishear that? It certainly sounded like she said that but I was half playing with my dog and half listening

[Kahuna]

1. I thought I heard that too. She repeated the new repub mantra..

that is spewed daily by Buchannan, scarborough etals.

[grannie4peace]

2. why do you listen to anything she says?

[BlooInBloo]

3. Heh. It's funny watching right-wing talking points proliferate through the media...

It started here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=4792885

General info on rw talking point proliferation:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/04/18/beltway_wisdom/

What is notable here is not so much the specific petty attacks, but the method of how they are disseminated and engrained as conventional wisdom among our Really Smart Political Insiders. This is the process that occurred here, and it is the process that repeats itself endlessly:

STEP 1: A new right-wing gossip (Ben Smith) at a new substance-free political rag (The Politico) seizes on some petty, manufactured incident to fuel personality caricatures of Democratic candidates.

STEP 2: The old right-wing gossip (Drudge) uses his old substance-free political rag (The Drudge Report) to amplify the inane personality caricatures.

STEP 3: Right-wing hacks with pretenses of respectability -- like Mickey Kaus and others -- follow the script by "analyzing" the gossip and embracing it.

STEP 4: National media outlets -- such as AP and CNN -- whose world is ruled by Drudge, turn the gossip into "news stories."

STEP 5: Our Serious Beltway Political Analysts -- in this case, the very somber and smart Substantive Journalists at The New Republic -- mindlessly repeat all of it, thereby solidifying it as conventional wisdom, showing that "even Democrats and liberals are embarrassed by their candidates."

One should note here that Step 5, the Final Stage, is almost always sponsored by those who endlessly proclaim how irresponsible and substance-free and unserious political bloggers are, and who thereafter write pieces which do nothing other than repeat the latest Drudge gossip.

[SpiralHawk]

4. That is one of the latest Republicon propaganda points

The republicon homelanders have been rolling out the "New Deal Failed' phony meme for a couple of weeks, in their ongoing efforts to overthrow any and everything good about America.

Mika is just doing her job against America as a loyal Republicon Homelander propaganda puppet. Nothing personal, of course.

[lonestarnot]

5. Oh and we can forget that great ronnie raygun.

:puke:

[Bonn1997]

6. I've always liked Ron Reagan

Did he recently say something bad?

[JTFrog]

9. Yea, he's preaching trickle down from the grave now.

:eyes:

[Bonn1997]

14. Ron Reagan or former President Ronald Reagan?

Two different people. I thought the poster meant the former when he said "Ronnie Reagan" but in retrospect it's probably the former Prez.

[WinkyDink]

23. Um, the President, not the son.

[Bonn1997]

31. Yeah, the "Ronnie" through me off but it was just a brain fart I guess

[SpiralHawk]

7. Nope, can't forget Reagan. But the latest SURGE of republicon propaganda

is what Mika -- and the horde of corporate republicon media spokesunit propagandists -- are catapulting at America right now.

[lonestarnot]

13. A side note.

A hawk has been a regular visit to my neighborhood for the last month. He/she circles my house and flies down low to say hi and then soars back up high to play in the wind currents. I wish I knew how to do bird calls. What do you suppose it means? I live in the city.

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. Probably sent there by the Bush administration to check you out

:hi:

[lonestarnot]

27. Hawks form no turdly relationships.

:hug: :hi:

[SpiralHawk]

19. The hawk relatives are messengers

Sometimes seeing a hawk is just that, and no more. But if the sighting is accompanied by your sense that it is somehow important, then take note of what you are -- right then -- thinking and feeling. It would be regarded as a Message by many people of traditions.

As the Old Timers would say, the Hawk may well be emphasizing or highlighting what's going on with you, offering an outer response of the natural world to your inner experience. So I have heard Elders say. Many times. And such has also been my direct experience with the Winged Ones. Sometimes after fasting up on the hill for four days in the traditional manner, as I have often had the good fortune to do, and sometimes while just going about my daily business. Whatever, Excelsior!

[lonestarnot]

26. So very cool! Thanks so much and I'm sure

there is a message! :hug:

[Kalyke]

37. There was a bluebird on my deck yesterday - just sitting there.

It didn't move when I walked out and let me get close enough to watch it breathe before finally, several minutes later, flying away. I'd never seen bluebirds at my house before.

My grandmother always loved bluebirds. My mother, who bought my smaller home after my husband and I bought a bigger one, saw bluebirds a week after my grandmother's death. I had lived there for five years and had never seen them (and I watch - I knew all my returning "guests").

We always suspected the sudden appearance of the bluebirds was my grandmother's doing, but I'm not sure why it would show up yesterday at my house, unless she just wanted to get a peek through the sliding glass door at the granddaughter she never got to meet.

[Vinca]

8. How does she explain the nation's recovery afterward?

Mika needs to get information beyond the RNC daily fax.

[Kahuna]

11. Per the repuke propaganda spin: WWII. nt

[Odin2005]

24. Funny, WW2 spending ending the Depression was a KEYNESIAN thing...

...and yet they are using the war to prove that Keynesianism doesn't work? :crazy:

[Bad Thoughts]

25. Didn't the war INCREASE government spending?

Wasn't the New Deal a bargain by comparison?

[Canuckistanian]

10. It's the new conservative mantra

They don't like the fact that government can play an important role in rescuing the economy with stimulus programs.

[Kahuna]

12. Yep. That's the reason. 'Socialism didn't save America. WWII did.' nt

[DCBob]

15. The warmongers want another world war to save our economy.

Clueless idiots.

[ejpoeta]

16. i believe that's been the talking points for awhile now.

[high density]

17. This is a GOP point that came out post election...

...after Obama said he's going to spend shitloads of money to get us out of this slump. The Repubes feel more tax cuts for the rich are our only salvation, and apparently Mika is of that persuasion like her co-host. Well, that or another huge (real) war that nearly brings us to our knees.

[boomerbust]

20. Scab

Was doing a fair amount of Boomer bashing also. Fuck you Scab, you scabby mofo!

[TuxedoKat]

29. Bashing Boomers, eh?

Actually many generational scholars would consider Joe Scab, born 4/1963, a Boomer as well, as they regard 1944-64 as the Boomer years. A few (Strauss & Howe) put the cut-off earlier at '61. I think though, if you were alive and cognizant of the deaths of MLK and RFK (April and June 1968), the moonwalk 7/69 and the end of the Vietnam War (mid-70's) those were all major defining moments of the Baby Boomer Generation. Joe would have been five in 1968, but maybe he wasn't paying that much attention to major world events back then? Did he mention anything about MLK today, since it would have been his 80th birthday? Maybe he might not want to admit to remembering it though -- because he doesn't want people to think of him as a Baby Boomer?

Actually I was surprised to find out Joe was only 45 as he looks closer to 50. He's a bit over-weight, has blotchy skin and doesn't look that healthy. He always looks tired too. Probably has to burn the candle at both ends too much.

[WinkyDink]

21. I think I heard a Republican say this on TV the other day, too. WTH?!

[SpiralHawk]

28. The republicon homelanders CHOREOGRAPH their media propagandists

They all take their catapulting cues from the Republicon Homeland Mindf*ck Borg.

[TreasonousBastard]

22. Oh jeez, if she said that she's at least half right...

and all the whining won't change it. Learn your history, all.

Nothing in the New Deal halted the Depression, although it did put a lot of people back to work and gave us such goodies as Social Security. Whether because of Republican obstructionism or it didn't last long enough, most of the New Deal projects were neat, but ineffective in slowing many of the core problems like tight money and drought. The Depression was worldwide and the US had nowhere near the economic might it has now, although it wasn't mired in hopeless debt like now.

Yeah, whether the New Deal would have worked if given a better shot is an interesting question, especially given Germany's recovery before they started the war, but moot because the war did "employ" millions in uniform and millions more making everything from boots to aircraft carriers.

Could employing all those millions on other projects have stopped the fall-- sure if you could have found a way to reduce 25% unemployment by building dams and highways instead of invading Europe and island hopping in the Pacific.

(Lessee how they manage to fuck up whatever plan Obama comes up with and then compare things to the 30s.)

[Bonn1997]

32. That's quite different from the message Mika gave

That's a much more middle of the road position that fewer would complain about

[senaca]

36. This is the meme in today's high school books. I'm not buying it.

They, also, say WPA, CCC, were failed programs that didn't do anything significant. Talking to people in the generation that actually went through it this is not the case. On a micro scale it gave people hope to pick up the boot straps and help one another. It gave them hope and dignity. Look at all that was accomplished structurally by the WPA, TVA, CCC and how many are now still significant. It's funny how Reagan, whose mantra was small government got to college by way of being part of the CCC. At the end of the Hoovers presidency we were in a crisis that could very well could have led to revolution had there not been a sense of things getting better.

[mwb970]

30. I can't tell Mika from Dana Perino.

Has anyone ever seen them together?

[ErinBerin84]

33. David Gregory, between MSNBC and NBC

has said THREE times today that "Obama is more like Bush than people realize." Gee, think you made your point yet, Stretch? He seems a bit grumpy today.

[Kahuna]

34. He's trying to push another meme, after his, 'the age of Obama,' failed

to catch on.

[ErinBerin84]

35. what meme was that?

Either way, he seems kind of.....bitter.