Kirsten Gillibrand Is Sort Of Like Hillary Clinton's Mini-Me

[THUNDER HANDS]

Very similiar in appearance.

(by the way, for those wondering why I posted this, it's rumored she's going to be announced as Patterson's pick tomorrow.)

[babylonsister]

1. m$nbc confirming that now; she's been asked to go to the gov's office

tomorrow a.m. Sounds like she's the one.

[Hieronymus]

54. They said that all the potential candidates will be at the governor's mansion.

[babylonsister]

58. You are right; I heard that after I typed that post. nt

[polichick]

2. Except she's much more conservative I've heard.

[THUNDER HANDS]

6. well, she's from a conservative district

which doesn't mean she'd be a conservative us senator. It just means she voted the way she voted in congress because she was representing a district, now she's representing a very liberal state.

I hope she's up to the challenge Peter King will throw at her.

[polichick]

8. So she'll become a progressive overnight?

[THUNDER HANDS]

11. i have no idea

maybe she felt shackled with having to support what her district supports. Now she won't have that burden.

But who knows. This is a very odd pick. I'm not saying it's horrible, but it's odd.

[polichick]

12. I agree - it's odd!

[Phoonzang]

3. That was the first thought I had when I saw her! nt

[RepublicanElephant]

4. ...or this is for political show, before making the most convenient choice of cuomo. nt

[sohndrsmith]

22. Speaking of Cuomo, I've yet to find anyone who views him negatively...

... it seems sort of unusual. Is he that good? I have a negative sense about him, but I still havent found the event that started this view... but I have to take the time to research it. I've been procrastinating. But perhaps I'm being unfair, so I have to do it.

[Thrill]

5. You know Maloney and McCarthy are pissed

And Paterson is toast against Cuomo

[rwheeler31]

7. Is she a conservative? She is upstate NY.

[sohndrsmith]

10. As someone who has spent 95% of my life in New York State

I still don't really know what Upstate NY means. It seems to mean something different to anyone I have asked...

I've lived in Manhattan, Albany and several places in between (grew up in Dutchess County)... and I still don't get it.

Is the message that Upstate NY is conservative? Well, I lived a few miles from Tim Leary's haunt (and my dad went to one of his parties but did not provide details). So I wouldn't call NY north of NYC, (like Hyde Park - where I think Gillibrand's constituency is?) as conservative.

Or am I still too far south... so weird... it all seems to be a mix depending on the town you're in and (often) how close it is to a college or university.

[THUNDER HANDS]

14. upstate new york

when you stop finding things to do, that's when you're in upstate new york.

[sohndrsmith]

16. Ah. I grew up there, then. Woods, swamp, narrow road - miles from nowhere...

yep. Sounds familiar... : )

[Sebastian Doyle]

9. So in other words, another member of the Schumer/Koch/Clinton/Bloomberg

"We don't really know what the fuck party we're in" wing of the New York "Democratic" party?

Lovely.... :puke:

[...of J.Temperance]

20. Take Koch and Blommberg out of that equation

Ed Koch hasn't made Democratic noises since September 11th 2001, the date he looped the loop and basically joined the neo-Conservatives.

Michael Bloomberg is an oddity, a lifelong Democrat who bizarrely joined the GOP to run for Mayor of a city that is OVERWHELMINGLY Democratic voting.

Senator Schumer and SoS Clinton know exactly what party they're in....hint, it's the same party that President Obama is in.

[rch35]

63. i think bloombergs reasoning was that since it was such a dem city, there would be many

less republicans going for the nod

[...of J.Temperance]

13. Rep. Gillibrand is a good choice, MUCH better than Caroline Kennedy

Rep. Gillibrand ISN'T a "Conservative"....I'd hardly call supporting Stem Cell Research, opposing privatizing Social Security and supporting the Childrens Health and Medicare Protection Act being "Conservative"

[BattyDem]

21. I heard she was a DINO. That's not true?

PLEASE tell me that's not true! :bounce:

[FLAprogressive]

25. she is. supports FISA and other pro-corporate policies. She's a blue dog

and all blue dogs are DINOs.

[BattyDem]

27. Oh damn.

:-(

[FLAprogressive]

28. oh well...find someone good to run against her in 2010. Too bad Maurice Hinchey's old

because he'd be the best one....

[regnaD kciN]

47. Will she have to run again in 2010? HRC's term doesn't expire until 2012...

:shrug:

[Muttocracy]

57. yes, the "special election" or whatever is in 2010, then regular term election 2012

I don't know why we couldn't have a special election within 6 months or something and then wait until 2012 (well, I know governor's appointment is what's in our state constitution, but having someone appointed and then campaigning for 4 years is nutty)

[...of J.Temperance]

30. I don't recognize the word DINO, it doesn't exist in the REAL world n/t

[BattyDem]

35. The word may not exist, but the actions do.

Glad you're happy with her, but I'm not. :-(

[...of J.Temperance]

38. I think you should just give her a chance n/t

[BattyDem]

41. She's a Democrat ... I'll certainly give her a chance.

I sincerely hope she turns out to be a good Senator. Time will tell. :-)

[...of J.Temperance]

51. Link to something that was just posted, Gillibrands voting record

I mean she's okay, seriously :)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4891968

[BattyDem]

55. Thanks for the info.

:hi:

That list is very encouraging. :-)

[...of J.Temperance]

59. No problem :)

:hi:

[FLAprogressive]

23. you DLCers shouldn't like her because she's pro-RKBA

She's a loser on every other issue though.

Corporate Blue Dog through and through....so then again she does fit the DLC mold.

[...of J.Temperance]

29. I'm not a fan of the Blue Dogs myself, I've never been a Blue Dog

But from what I can gather, there's more that I can agree on with Rep. Gillbrand than stuff I can disagree with her on.

Everything is about reaching compromises, because it's absurd to expect everyone to agree with each other on 100% of the issues 100% of the time.

[Sebastian Doyle]

31. Except the DLC definition of "compromise" always means...

....a little bit more to the right. And when Richard Nixon starts looking like a liberal compared to the DLC'ers, I'd say it's time for the "compromises" to come from the other side.

[...of J.Temperance]

34. Richard Nixon looks like a liberal compared to DLCers?

Ahem....:eyes: :rofl:

:P

[karynnj]

48. Is there a single Democrat who doesn't support the last two

I'm not as sure on stem cell research - but if there is one, he/she is likely alone.

[paulk]

56. Ben Nelson, NE

he's the only Dem

[karynnj]

60. Thanks

So, those are standard Democratic positions - over the entire range of Democrats.

[Uzybone]

15. Paterson has hit the trifecta

pissed off the Obama/Kennedy alliance, by making her twist in the wind until she dropped out.
pissed off the Clintons, by leaning towards Caroline.
and pissed off the Cuomos, by not picking him.

Nice political saavy there David.

[polichick]

17. Really - so much for him.

[bottomtheweaver]

18. I think he missed the part where Obama won.

Some people are a little slower than others.

[TeamJordan23]

19. and pissed off progressives by appointing a conservative Dem. nm

[...of J.Temperance]

24. She's not "Conservative", and it's Centrists who win the day NOT "Progressives"

n/t

[FLAprogressive]

more like corporatists.

[...of J.Temperance]

32. There is nothing wrong with Corporations, whats wrong is the way many have been run

Unfortunately many of them have had to learn the hard way, that running the show as a free-for-all has actually damaged them per se.

Obviously some things are going to have to change.

[FLAprogressive]

33. The DLCers pushed for less regulation which allowed them to run the show as a free-for-all.

[...of J.Temperance]

36. SOMETIMES the DLC does get things wrong, or goes a little bit too far

In hindsight next to no regulation has proven to be a mistake....however, I don't think the answer is now a stranglehold regulation....there needs to be some regulation but not overwhelming regulation.

[FLAprogressive]

37. More like "most of the time".

[Sebastian Doyle]

45. I'm trying to remember one time they got it right, actually

Or should I say, got it correct. They always get it right.

[bvar22]

62. Mistake?

No.
Putting my shoes on the wrong feet is a mistake.

Supporting a repeal of all regulation on Corporations is BAD POLICY....
and it has worked 100% as designed....the already RICH & POWERFUL were able to buy even more POWER from
the Republicans in Donkey Suits (DINO) of the DLC.

"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[paulk]

53. it's voters that he has to worry about

Republicans often do quite well in statewide races - think Pataki, Rockefeller, Javits, D'Amato -

There are enough conservative votes upstate to offset the liberal NYC vote

His choice is a conservative Democrat from upstate



It could be a really "savvy" choice, actually

[Life Long Dem]

26. This stinks of politics as usual.

Nothing will ever change for some.

[BootinUp]

39. Strong women are ok with me. nt

[liskddksil]

40. Keith now says all prospectives have been invited tommorow

not just Gillibrand.

[polichick]

43. Wow, so it's possible it's not her!?

[liskddksil]

44. I sure hope so

[Grateful for Hope]

42. This appointment is very temporary

No way will she be elected in the 2010 special election. She is truly just a place holder.

I am a NY'er, and, when I first heard this news, I couldn't believe that the absolutely worst pick was chosen. But, then, after some thought, I am thinking that Patterson grudgingly decided that he would, indeed, select a "place holder", despite his original statements to the contrary.

There is no way this woman will be actually elected here in NYS. Thank goodness.

[Ichingcarpenter]

46. "absolutely worst pick was chosen'

Totally agree...... her district is 60% Republican
which makes her?

The pick makes the DLC zombies just swoon.

[Grateful for Hope]

49. Patterson absolutely picked a "place holder"

and, I suspect it is because CK withdrew. There is no way this woman will win in a state-wide special election.

[Ichingcarpenter]

50. So why pick her if she can't win?

I thought Patterson was smarter than this or is he doing it
for his political career in New York?

[Grateful for Hope]

52. "Politcal career"

Bingo!

[bvar22]

61. Shocked....shocked I say.