Why is Gillibrand a DINO?

[Unsane]

Because she supports the Second Amendment? So did Howard Dean. The wrenching of clothes over Paterson's pick better not be because of that faux issue.

Does she support the EFCA?

[Muttocracy]

1. here are her campaign and House sites

not finding labor info so far

http://kirstengillibrand.com/index.asp

http://www.gillibrand.house.gov/index.php

[TheWraith]

9. Here's her record on trade, which might be of interest.

Protect American jobs from going overseas. (Nov 2006)
Voted YES on promoting free trade with Peru. (Nov 2007)
Voted YES on assisting workers who lose jobs due to globalization. (Oct 2007)
Block NAFTA Superhighway & North American Union. (Jan 2007)

[Muttocracy]

16. saw some stuff on her website about aid for NY workers losing jobs overseas. nt

[TheWraith]

2. She's not, really, but some people here have a knee-jerk reaction to the phrase "Blue Dog."

In reality, she's extremely liberal for her district: Pro gay rights, pro choice, pro alternative energy, against the war, etcetera. Only things anybody can point to are guns, immigration, and telecom immunity.

http://www.ontheissues.org/NY/Kirsten_Gillibrand.htm

[Muttocracy]

3. she voted against the $700B bailout package

http://kirstengillibrand.com/release.asp?id=1

$700 Billion Financial Bill:
In September, Congresswoman Gillibrand voted against the $700 billion financial bill. While mindful of the gravity of the financial crisis, she voted against both versions of the bill because of their flawed approach and lack of protections for taxpayers. Congresswoman Gillibrand has been named one of the most independent Members in the House of Representatives, and she did not feel the bailout bill would work as promised. In doing so, she stood up to both her party's leaders and the Bush Administration on behalf of taxpayers.

[Unsane]

8. And? By all accounts that thing has been a disaster.

Some other dems, including members of the CBC, also voted against it. Are they DINO's too?

[ShortnFiery]

13. Yeah, it couldn't be that she'd rather it be spent for TAX CUT for the rich like other blue dogs?

:eyes:

[Muttocracy]

17. is that what she said? nt

[Occam Bandage]

34. No. SnF is simply making shit up and hoping some of it's true. nt

[Occam Bandage]

33. Except she's only got single-digit ratings from each of the pro-tax-cut organizations.

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=65147

[CreekDog]

53. A big accusation to make without any facts to back it up

so where are they? :shrug:

[Muttocracy]

15. I meant it as a GOOD thing to vote against it.

I don't really understand it all, but the free-up-credit argument was the only convincing one I heard back then, and that doesn't seem to have happened, and we don't really know where that $$ has gone. I'd rather we had mailed each American $2000.

[Unsane]

19. gotcha

[ShortnFiery]

40. Hell she could commit a felony and you'd have some sort of EXCUSE for it.

:crazy:

[CreekDog]

54. So you support the baillout from last fall?

I did as well, but that hardly makes one a liberal. :eyes:

[liskddksil]

4. against comprehensive immigration reform

also voted for the FISA act.

[Zynx]

6. There really wasn't a true party position on that.

Labor opposed that bill.

[liskddksil]

26. She is supporting the SAVE act

which most Democrats oppose and will certainly rile up Hispanics who are needed to build a winning coalition.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3702780

[Unsane]

10. Um, the FISA act Obama voted for?

[ShortnFiery]

11. Doesn't make it right. eom

[Unsane]

18. But does it make her (and by extension Obama) a DINO?

[ShortnFiery]

23. I'm sorry, I'm not a ONE issue voter. It's another bit of data. eom

[TheWraith]

29. Obviously you ARE a one issue voter, since all you've got is the phrase "Blue Dog."

Please tell me where the conservatism is here:

http://www.ontheissues.org/NY/Kirsten_Gillibrand.htm

[ShortnFiery]

41. Blue Dog is NOT one issue but equates to what was "moderate republican" before the New way/DLC ...

takeover of our beloved party.

[TheWraith]

49. No, it doesn't. Read her issues page.

http://www.ontheissues.org/NY/Kirsten_Gillibrand.htm

For crying out loud, she's for repealing DOMA and DADT, increased regulation, and a dozen other things. You're basing your entire view of her on two words with no substance behind it.

[CreekDog]

55. Not true. She's uninformed on multiple issues.

:eyes:

[DemFromMem]

21. DING DING DING DING DING

Patterson needs to pick someone who will have a good shot at winning when running to defend the seat. She won't even win the primary if she's alienated one of the largest immigrant populations of any state.

[rwheeler31]

5. She is to conservative for NY.

[TheWraith]

7. She's got the same progressive rating as congresscritters from NYC. nt

[ShortnFiery]

12. Yeah 90 something percent - same as Holy Joe from CT. But where War and Surveillance are concerned

depend on her to swagger and spook. :thumbsdown:

[Occam Bandage]

32. She has a 100% rating from the ACLU. Do you even do any research whatsoever? nt

[TheWraith]

35. No, and he/she/it obviously doesn't listen to anyone else's research either.

They just keep repeating the same tired nonsense.

[ShortnFiery]

39. That (ACLU) is NOT the litmus test. She's Blue Dog stock = pro-war, anti-immigrant. eom

[saltpoint]

43. The ACLU has been a reliable gold standard for progressive thought for

some time, including right now.

[Occam Bandage]

46. I brought it up because you brought up surveillance. Oh, and she's against the war.

How many things are you going to just make up?

[TheWraith]

50. You don't know what you're talking about. She's quite anti-war.

Ran against the war in 2006, voted to start withdrawals within 90 days in 2007, still opposes it now.

[ronnykmarshall]

52. Shirley you just jest.

[Thrill]

14. She voted FOR the Free Choice Act in 07

I still think she is going to have to prove she can be more liberal or shes likely to get beat in a Primary.

Lets see how she votes on the Stimulus

[Unsane]

20. EFCA is a litmus test for me. And she passed.

She is not a DINO. No one who votes for EFCA is a DINO. No way.

[Redbear]

22. ADA gave her 70%

http://www.adaction.org/media/votingrecords/2008.pdf

The Dem House average was 89%.

[ShortnFiery]

24. Yep, another Blue Dog/DLC/New Way Democrat moving the party to the intolerant right.

:(

[TheWraith]

30. Do you suffer from some disorder that makes you repeat yourself?

Because you're spewing the same unfounded drivel, and ignoring the repeated links that prove that you don't know what you're talking about.

http://www.ontheissues.org/NY/Kirsten_Gillibrand.htm

Yeah, that evil right-wing pro-gay-rights, anti-war wing of the Democratic party. :eyes:

[ShortnFiery]

38. Pro-Civil Unions does not EQUATE to Pro-Gay Rights.

Instead of launching personal insults (disorder :wtf:) how about you realize that not every democrat is right wing = blue dog.

[TheWraith]

56. If you don't want to be insulted, try actually reading what's said to you.

She's for gay marriage, by the way, as well as repeal of DOMA and DADT. :eyes:

[Occam Bandage]

31. Maybe you could try actually looking up some of her positions on the issues

instead of throwing random words together with slashes.

[frazzled]

25. As a constituent of newly appointed Sen. Burris, I'm sort of sitting back laughing

We Illinoisans didn't get a lot of sympathy here when we were less than thrilled with our governor's appointment.

All I can say is, whoever she is, ahem, the appointment will be legal. Deal with it. Perhaps you New Yorkers are now wishing your legislature would have superseded the governor and called for a special election? That's what I wanted here in Illinois, but the notion was scoffed at.

[Justitia]

37. I'm thinking you are going to end up w/a way better Senator than NY will have. -eom

[SuperTrouper]

45. God Bless Burris. Blago did better than Paterson!! What a f-ng mess in NY!

[sohndrsmith]

27. Has there been any official announcement that she is, definitely Paterson's

pick?

Maybe if she's as disappointing as some are describing (I support the 2nd Amendment, too, but not in the maniacal way that it is sometimes interpreted to mean, but that's a whole other discussion), Paterson did go for a "seat warmer" ... maybe? I heard him make comments about the chances, historically, of winning the seat via election after being appointed vs. those who have only held the seats via election... but the sound was not good, so I'm not absolutely sure, but he seemed to be indicating that he, personally, did not think the odds were great for appointed Senators to win the seat through election. I don't know - I'd have to look up statistics and see if that's the case.

I am underwhelmed by the lack of info on Gillebrand's issue positions (at least the one provided by another DU'er's post)...

Conclusion - I have no clue as to what's going on or why... : )

[TreasonousBastard]

28. *yawn* She represents a conservative district in...

upstate NY, so she would tend to try to throw her district a few bones.

I don't like all of her positions, but I certainly don't like the threat from McCarthy to do primary battle with her over her gun positions in two years. That will not end well, and could kill the deal.

[Justitia]

36. She is co-sponsor on the bill for the freaking border fence - ugh!

What a FUBAR.

[saltpoint]

42. If she is officially Paterson's choice at noon today, she is a good choice,

insofar as one likes Senators to be liberal populists strong on key progressive issues.

[NikolaC]

44. I Don't See A

problem with her or her record :shrug:.

[LynneSin]

47. Because someone here at DU deemed Gillibrand wasn't as progressive as he/she (the DUer) is

which in my book - is total bullshit

[FLAprogressive]

48. I support second amendment rights but yes, she is a DINO.

Anyone who is a member of the odious blue dogs is.....

[onenote]

59. so how many Repubs support repeal of DOMA and supported EFCA

Do you simply live your life looking at how someone else labels things, or do you try to think for yourself from time to time?

Yes, she's a blue dog. But if you think being a blue dog means one is reaaly a republican, not a Democrat, then my question for you is how could someone with a 100 percent rating from the ACLU and who supports gay rights (indeed -- who went so far as to suggest all federal marriages -- gay and straight -- should be governed by the same "civil union" rules) is really a repub?

[WI_DEM]

51. because she isn't 100% pure for some around here.

[SoxFan]

57. She's not a DINO

The Pup Tent Democrats simply think that only people who agree with them on every single issue meet the definition, but they are, blessedly, a small and irrelevant minority.

[ClarkUSA]

58. She supports extending the Bush tax cuts, for one thing. Unless she pulls a Mitt Romney....

.... which no doubt she will, as she has with gay rights and gun control within the past 24 hours. :puke: