Rep. McCarthy: "I will challenge Gillibrand, it is not the fight I want, but it is a fight ...

[SuperTrouper]

that I will fight. On the fifteen anniversary of my husbands murder and my son's near death, New York state cannot have as its Senator a person who is against gun control. I will challenge her in 2010" This on a phone interview with NY1...Political consultants from NY are saying that Paterson is on shaky ground if he names Gillibrand b ecause the population is in Long Island, McCarthy's turf, and New York will not have the poster child for the NRA (Gillibrand) as its Senator.

I do hope that this is over soon and Gillibrand is given her chance to prove herself and that she rejects the NRA's backing. She seems like a reasonable lady, but NY politics is like that, bareknuckles, take-no-prisoners.

[truebrit71]

1. Good...I am tired of the DINO's...

...

[Raineyb]

4. I couldn't have said it better myself.

:thumbsup:

What the fuck is wrong with Paterson?

Regards

[dmallind]

10. Yeah the ones who go against the official party platform

Which supports the rights to gun ownership are indeed DINOs.

[wyldwolf]

97. I don't think anyone caught that

[CreekDog]

58. Bernie Sanders has NRA support

What say you about that?

Apart from guns, can you find any meaningful difference between Maloney and Gillibrand?

[benEzra]

63. Ummm, you mean like McCarthy, a lifelong REPUB who only ran on the Dem ticket

after the repubs rejected her as a liability, and who didn't even bother to switch her party affiliation from (R) to (D) until she had already served three terms in the House?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_McCarthy

Gillibrand is more progressive than McCarthy is, and unlike McCarthy, she actually gives a damn about the party as opposed to her One Pet Agenda.

[Muttocracy]

65. hmm, I wonder how many of her sudden fans here know about that. nt

[wyldwolf]

98. I sure didn't! Filing this away for future reference

[riqster]

117. Thanks! nt

[KittyWampus]

88. Gillibrand is not a DINO and your ignorance is appalling.

[Occam Bandage]

2. I don't really believe that NRA backing is fatal.

I mean, VT is practically Socialist, and they elected that 100%-NRA-rating DINO Howard Dean as their governor.

[cali]

59. Not to mention Bernie who won his House seat by running to right of repuke

on the 2nd Amendment. But then Vermont is a different story. We have the laxest gun laws in the counry and we don't have any cities.

[iamthebandfanman]

67. i didnt know Vermont

was the center of organized crime and urban warfare.

i doubt they see much gun related crime regardless of the laws.

[ClarkUSA]

3. Gillibrand's already changed her tune on gay marriage; she's a political opportunist to the max.

By the beginning of next week, she'll be the incarnation of Chuck Schumer in terms of policy.

[Freddie Stubbs]

14. Obama changed his tune on gay marriage too.

Does that make him a "political opportunist to the max?"

[greguganus]

16. ***CRICKETS*** n/t

[ClarkUSA]

22. Wrong again, Grasshopper.

:rofl:

[greguganus]

41. You still didn't answer his question, Sum Yung Foo. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

21. Proof/links? He's always been against gay marriage and for civil unions as far as I know.

And his early stand against the Iraq war makes the answer to your snotty question an emphatic, "No."

[Freddie Stubbs]

25. Huffington Post: Obama Once Supported Same-Sex Marriage 'Unequivocally'

According to the Windy City Times, during the 1996 race for the Illinois State Senate, President-Elect Barack Obama gave statements that expressed an "unequivocal support for gay marriage."

From the WCT's press release:

President-elect Obama's answer to a 1996 Outlines newspaper question on marriage was: "I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages." There was no use of the phrase "civil unions".


This answer is among those included in this week's Windy City Times feature on Obama's evolving position on gay marriage. Windy City Times also includes his answers to the candidate questionnaire of IMPACT, at one time a gay political action committee in Illinois. In that survey he also stated his support of same-sex marriage.

During the final weeks of the presidential campaign last fall, several media outlets contacted Windy City Times because of an old internet story from the 1996 Illinois state Senate race. In that campaign, Outlines newspaper reported that 13th District candidate Barack Obama supported gay marriage. Reporters wanted to know what exactly Obama had said.

more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/13/obama-once-supported-same_n_157656.html

[wyldwolf]

28. oop! ***CRICKETS*** n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

30. Oh dear.

SNAP!

[CreekDog]

60. I'd respect you if you returned to correct your error

sadly...

[Captain Hilts]

24. And FISA, the DC gun ban, the embargo on Cuba, offshore oil drilling, etc.

[Cha]

37. Yeah, he's a fucking opportunist.

Deal with it.

[Sultana]

46. So, vote green next time

:eyes:

[Cha]

62. You have to know

my posts..that was total sarcasm. I love Obama:loveya:

[whistler162]

69. Sorry but green has run and lost a couple of times!

I will give Gillibrand a chance.

[Captain Hilts]

23. That's how you win at politics. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

112. I'm sick of these phony DINO's. The gov effed up majorly.

[HeraldSquare212]

5. I don't think Maloney will follow through, and while Gillibrand

might have a progressive challenger in the primary in 2010, I don't think she'll be seriously threatened. Everyone was very excited when she was elected to a historically Republican seat, just like many other Dems in that election. We can't beat up representatives for representing their constituents, and a record of voting 93% of the time with the Dems is very impressive to me.

[ShortnFiery]

11. The good folks "in the cities" are less than impressed. eom

[HeraldSquare212]

13. Well, I'm a good folk in the city....and I am impressed!

[ronnykmarshall]

31. and you actually LIVE in the city too.

[Danger Mouse]

56. New York is more than just NYC, and the people who don't live in the cities...

deserve a senator as well.

[Raineyb]

73. NYC makes up nearly half the population of the state

We deserve a senator that'll actually give a damn about us too you know.

Regards

[Danger Mouse]

94. I think NY should have one senator from NYC, one from upstate.

That's just my personal opinion. :shrug:

[Raineyb]

95. Then find we can find one who's bothered to distinguish themselves by doing for the whole state

The fact that she hasn't done so makes her unqualified.

And when upstate stops trying to screw downstate maybe some of us might trust your politicians.

What nerve of me to expect a senator to not to emphasize one part of the state over the other! :sarcasm:

I've been to her congressional site and the first word is upstate. (Which is now conveniently out of service) That tells me all I need to know about how much I don't want her in the senate. My congressman's first word on his site (as crappy as I think he is) isn't downstate. That's the bloody difference.

Regards

[Muttocracy]

61. based on what? your profile says you're in Virginia. nt

[KittyWampus]

89. speak for yourself.

[dusmcj]

99. who gives a shit ? they don't run this shit /nt

[SuperTrouper]

20. She got elected to that Republican seat because the change theme was

started since the GOP was defending Bush's record. Nonetheless, she is very conservative in a party controlled by the Net-Roots and not the Blue Dogs.

[benEzra]

80. 100% NARAL rating, 90% ACLU rating, and 7% Conservative Index is "very conservative"?

http://www.ontheissues.org/NY/Kirsten_Gillibrand.htm

Or is someone who actually supports the right of mentally competent adults with clean records to own currently legal guns automatically a "right winger" regardless of how progressive they are across the board?

I personally think the MSM is trying to undermine Gillibrand and stir up intra-party strife by calling her "conservative," when she's very clearly liberal. Just my opinion.

[bluestateguy]

6. McCarthy is a gun grabber

I intend to contribute to Gillibrand's campaign. We need more, not less, pro-gun Democrats. Gun control makes us lose elections in the heartland and makes us look like the sissy party.

[FLAprogressive]

15. While I do agree with your statement for the most part

Gillibrand is a solid corporate vote on every other issue and I think NYers should look at that also....sure McCarthy is a gun grabber but so was HRC.

[TheWraith]

33. How is she corporate, pray tell?

She's for more regulation, checks on executive pay, protection for workers against offshoring, in favor of universal healthcare and drug reimportation...

http://www.ontheissues.org/NY/Kirsten_Gillibrand.htm

[democrattotheend]

26. I agree, but in NY it's different

Being in favor of gun control is a winning position there. And there's no reason we can't have a more liberal Democrat from a state like NY. If it were just the gun issue I'd be fine with Gillibrand, but she's not as liberal as I'd like on some other issues. She'd be fine as a senator from Missouri or Virginia but I feel like we can do better for a senator from New York.

[truebrit71]

44. Yeah, we need more guns in this country...

...:eyes:

[Mojorabbit]

74. We need more Dems

who do not cherry pick the amendments they defend. I am all for more Dems who support the second amendment.

[brooklynite]

7. If McCarthy runs against her solely on gun issues, she will lose...

Can someone point to a significant policy difference between them on other issues?

[ShortnFiery]

9. Why? Is your criterion that "the blondest one wins?"

:crazy:

[brooklynite]

18. No - My criterion is "does she have positions on the issues that Statewide Dems agree with"?

Gun control is not a issue of great concern statewide at this point, and is not likely to be the pivotal issue in 2010.

[SuperTrouper]

50. McCarthy is not only about gun control....

[slackmaster]

53. Yes, but it is her number one issue

She even sponsored a bill to prohibit sale of firearms to anyone whose name appears on the Bush administration's "no fly" list.

[paulk]

38. Gillibrand has a higher ACLU rating than McCarthy

I don't know if that qualifies as a policy difference, but it is interesting...

[ShortnFiery]

8. She scores a bullseye donation from me.

:evilgrin: She's for gun CONTROL, not ban.

[aikoaiko]

84. Actually she did try to ban many popular rifles, pistols, shotguns in their standard configurations

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1022

HR 1022 IH

110th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 1022

To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

February 13, 2007

Mrs. MCCARTHY of New York introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

[TreasonousBastard]

12. It's just more silly season bullshit...

it was in Yesterday's Times and all over local news today.

BUT...

There's no way she could win a primary challenge. Anyone remember who that guy was who challenged Hillary?

And over gun control when upstate New York is voting? What planet is she living on?

[Raineyb]

19. Tasini. Jonathan Tasini

Some of us do remember.

We also remember politicians who try to screw us over too. Gun crazed whack jobs who think that living in the city when anyone and everyone can carry a concealed weapon is a good idea is not a politician worth voting for. (My characterization of anyone who thinks gun control is abhorrent in all circumstances.)

Regards

[davepc]

17. I've never understood my Mrs. McCarthy didn't take up the cause of mental health reform

I mean, if the murderer of her husband was in a facility getting the treatment he obviously needed, then he wouldn't of been a danger to society.

[Teaser]

43. eh, can't judge what lessons someone draws from a tragedy

It's just too personal a thing.

[slackmaster]

52. Mental health care can't solve the problem of that shoulder thing that goes up

:crazy:

[HeraldSquare212]

27. Ouch. Gillibrand just thanked Maloney for saying that she, Gillibrand, would do a great job.

Hee hee.

[HeraldSquare212]

29. Damn, and now she just plugged her vote in favor of background checks.

She's pretty smooth.

[MadBadger]

32. I think this comment is pretty low class.

To invokoe the death of your husband's murder to attack a fellow dem is pretty shameless in my opinion.

[BeyondGeography]

34. She'll lose

[Renew Deal]

36. I think she might too.

Gun rights are not a big issue here. Also, McCarthy is hardly a bold Democratic politician. I don't think she's the best choice for NY.

[Renew Deal]

35. Gun rights are not a big issue on LI.

It almost never comes up. On the calls I've made through the years, it's only come up a handful of times.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

39. Link, please?

[Teaser]

40. Well, gun control isn't an issue I care at all about, but...

if McCarthy feels this strongly, sure go for it.

[geek tragedy]

42. Gun control is so passe.

I'm sorry for the tragedy she experienced, but gun control is an exceedingly narrow and insignificant issue.

[truebrit71]

45. Wow...that has to be one of the most callous posts I've seen in a while...

..."Sorry that your life was fucked up by gun violence, get over it..."


Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice...... :puke:

[derby378]

47. Not by "gun violence," but by a criminal with a gun

You can call it semantics, but it makes a lot of difference in how you sell your message to the general public.

Dallas has cut violent crime dramatically over the past 12 months. Murders are down at least 10%, and aggravated assaults are down 20%. All of this has been accomplished without any new gun laws in a city where concealed-carry is legal, semi-automatics are welcome, and we have a gun show almost every weekend. We must be doing something right.

[truebrit71]

48. Yes...the price of bullets has gone up by 150%...it's too expensive to use them...

... ;-)

Reminds me of several comedy bits over the years...sell as many guns as you want to whomever wants them...just make the bullets $1000 each...

That way the gun-nuts are happy, and the senseless killings go down too...

[derby378]

49. I think that was Chris Rock's idea

Prices on bullets have gone up a bit, but not that much. I think Dallas is crediting an increased focus on community policing with our drop in violent crime.

[AZ Criminal JD]

81. So only the rich can have guns

Brilliant. The working poor can go pound sand.

[Raineyb]

64. Yeah unless you live in close quarters where a moron with a gun next door can get YOU killed

But why bother concern yourself with that everyone's neighbors live miles away. Oh wait! They don't!

Callous much?

Regards

[Pavulon]

66. They can kill you by leaving the stove gas on...

or in all kinds of wacky ways. The risk from a firearm in proximity is very small. The dont just go off.

[Raineyb]

70. The CO detector would go off before their gas stove could kill me.

Firearms with lots of people in proximity is a hell of a lot more dangerous.

Regards

[Pavulon]

76. There is no CO in Natural Gas

and no warning from a fuel air explosion caused by a leak. They add a chemical to make it smell or else it would ust fill a room up like water and kill you.

Gun control is a joke, it only impacts those who follow the rules. Did you know weed is controlled too?

[Raineyb]

86. Considering I live here and cook with the stuff, yeah I know that the gas has chemicals added to it.

The odor was added after a school full of kids were killed because no one smelled the gas and died from it.

What the hell does weed have to do with gun control?

Weed is a hell of a lot safer to have around than the handgun is.

Regards

[Zynx]

87. But alcohol is far more dangerous.

[THUNDER HANDS]

51. Carolyn McCarthy is probably the least-influential congressperson from Long Island

there are five, and she's number five by a long shot.

She's my congresswoman and I'd vote for Gillibrand before I'd vote for her. Esentially she's a one-trick-pony (anti-gun) who has been lucky to face a bunch of softball challengers over the past 12 years.

[jmg257]

54. Hopefully it is a fight she will lose, get HER out of congress. HR1022, my ass.

[dusmcj]

55. prepare to lose the Senate seat

"New York cannot have a Senator who is against gun control" ? Carolyn needs a vacation in order to reacquire dangerously lost perspective. Congresswoman McCarthy, you are out of touch with reality, as well as with the relative significance of your agenda.

[Danger Mouse]

57. Yeah, because as goes Long Island, so goes the rest of the entire state.

:eyes:
Hey, McCarthy, this New Yorker ain't voting for you.

[AtomicKitten]

68. Signing an amicus brief on behalf of the NRA was a gratuitous wingnut move.

edited for link: http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=3451

McCarthy's outrage is real and warranted.

[Raineyb]

72. This whole pick feels like a gratuitous smack at downstate NY

And Paterson ought to know better.

I hope we have a robust primary season in 2010.

Regards

[AtomicKitten]

75. It was a sloppy, poorly thought out power play by Paterson

that will bite him in the ass in 2010.

[whistler162]

78. Yup... instead of the normal ignoring anything past the

Tappan Zee bridge the Governor selected someone from the upstate region.

OH THE HORROR!!!!!!!!!:sarcasm:

[Raineyb]

85. I think you mean this is the usual screwing over of anything south of Yonkers

And considering how shabbily Albany consistently treats us the Governor who used to represent Harlem should know better.

Pardon me for thinking that not screwing over nearly half the state would be a good idea for a friggin' change.

Regards

[KittyWampus]

91. No, it doesn't. Speak for your fucking self. As a Long Islander I can only HOPE McCarthy runs

in the primary loses and gets out of politics.

Gillibrand is more of a liberal and more of a committed Democrat than McCarthy ever was or will be.

The absolute IGNORANCE on Gillibrand and McCarthy's records is mind-numbing.

[Danger Mouse]

93. People don't even bother to look at facts. They just react.

It's amazing.

[Raineyb]

105. I did speak for myself as I am incapable of speaking for someone who is ill mannered

and suffers from oxygen deprivation from having their head stuck up their ass.

As a NYCer I hope like Hell that we have plenty of choice in the primary season and get that woman out of the senate seat.

Fuck you very much

[Danger Mouse]

92. Yeah, screw us in the upstate region. We don't need no stinkin' representation.

:eyes:

[Raineyb]

106. Upstate is plenty represented. Usually at the expense of downstate

I trust no politician who spends all her time about upstate. The word downstate is not the first word that shows up on my representative's site. I don't think I'm expecting too much to see the same for an upstate politician. The fact that you seem to find this to be a problem says more about the upstate mindset than it does about the downstate one.

Regards

[dusmcj]

100. not gratuitous, well deserved

There is an unfortunate meme centering on the self-styled inevitability and correctness of the menu of 'progressive' positions emanating from the 'liberal' good society of downstate being so obvious that it shouldn't even be discussed. Sorry gang, downstate is a crowded self-obsessed joke that thinks that the economic insanity required to live there and ideally head up to the 'country' to buy up farms and create boutique towns for the Trailways set is perfectly normal, and just because they live in a fantasy land of finance-industry fuelled income doesn't mean that the rest of us do or that we'd want to partake of their 'lifestyle' if we did. Personally I'm tired of downstate loudmouths thinking that given their proper little socioeconomic success, they define 'liberal' and 'progressive' and more broadly the 'correct' direction for such people, so therefore they will no longer get to set the agenda, in NY or more broadly in the nation. Good luck with that.

[Raineyb]

107. Well deserved my ass!

How long did we have to deal with that fuckwit Joseph Bruno whose sole reason to exist was to screw downstate every chance he got? And what about that fucktard Pataki who apparently only gave a damn about downstate when he could 1. screw us or 2. try to collect money from the monied interests who are not reflective nor interested in the rest of us who live here?

So spare me this nonsense about about the self obssesed downstate when it's has been upstate that's had a chip on their shoulder for all these years. I work for a living. I don't have a country home. I don't own a home period so thanks for spouting the usual stereotypical bullshit spouted by the stereotypical upstate know nothing. Your attitude is exactly the problem.

[dusmcj]

109. no thanks

sorry, but I see the tribe I spoke of being disgorged from Trailways every Friday night and being shipped back down like crated fruit every Sunday. Their attitude is the problem. Privilege is its own reward and all that. If you actually work for a living and pay rent, I happen to know how expensive that can be in NYC, I started out with 50% of my net going to a 19x11 studio, and that was a high standard of living compared to some of what I saw.

[Raineyb]

115. Gee more stereotypes

Not all of us living in the city are privileged, an idea that apparently cannot penetrate the stereotype you've developed. Some of us were born here and have family here. What are we supposed to do move upstate where there are no bloody jobs?

Regards

[benEzra]

79. You're "outraged" that she signed a brief (not an NRA brief, a congressional one)

affirming that the Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights protects an individual right? The Democratic party platform says it protects an individual right. So does well over 70% of the U.S. electorate. That was a U.S. Supreme Court case, and the most significant 2ndA case ever. Good for her. And the fact that the NRA put a copy of the congressional amicus brief on their website doesn't mean they own it.

FWIW, the NRA originally fought the Heller plaintiffs to try to keep them out of court. Go figure.

Gillibrand is arguably somewhat more progressive than McCarthy, and considerably more progressive than Hillary. Gillibrand has a 100% rating from NARAL, a 90% rating from the ACLU, a 7% rating from the American Conservative Union (0% is perfect liberal, 100% is perfect conservative), 5%-10% rating from the conservative tax groups, etc. Tell me how she's so conservative, again? And the compromise FISA bill that people are ripping her for, McCarthy voted THE SAME WAY.

http://www.ontheissues.org/NY/Kirsten_Gillibrand.htm
http://rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2009/01/23/rep-kirsten-gillibrand-chosen-us-senate
http://action.aclu.org/site/VoteCenter?congress=110&repId=28123&session_num=0&page=legScore

FWIW, McCarthy is a lifelong repub who used the (D) ticket as a flag of convenience, after the repubs rejected her as a liability. Did you know she didn't even bother to change her voter registration from (R) to (D) until she had served THREE TERMS in the Senate?

And Gillibrand, unlike McCarthy, actually gives a damn about the party and its broader agenda, as opposed to McCarthy's single-minded obsession with outlawing the most popular guns in America.

Yes, I understand where McCarthy is coming from emotionally, but she is a nationwide liability to the party who apparently doesn't even bother to read her own legislation.

[AtomicKitten]

82. I said it was an AMICUS brief and provided the link to it posted on the NRA website

I never said it was an NRA brief. The link I provided is to the AMICUS congressional brief proudly posted on the NRA website (they give her a 100% thumbs-up).

I mentioned McCarthy in the context that her opposition to Gillibrand comes from a place where the issue of gun control hit home. I am not a gun advocate, in fact, support strict gun control. But that's me.

Ms. Gillibrand is a Blue Dog democrat. I find her views on immigration equally appalling. Nor do I care for my Blue Dog senator, Diane Feinstein. Our difference of opinion is based on ideology, not the players personally.

[Danger Mouse]

90. So...apparently facts...you just ignore them?

[AtomicKitten]

96. You mean the fact that she has a 100% NRA rating?

[dusmcj]

102. no, signing the Amicus brief was very appropriate

The Founders, who were smarter than just about anyone currently on the political scene, and also earned their moral superiority by devoting (and risking) their lives to creating a rational free society, rather than by joining a Party machine, understod that they needed to mill out the fundamental principles on which such a society would be based. In their time, a major political issue remained whether government could deny the public the right to defend itself. This was bequeathed from the time of absolute monarchy which was in the process of ending then (and which the American Revolution served to help end) where illegitimate monarchs understood that an armed public would mean their well-deserved doom, and where English law repeatedly gave and removed the private right to bear arms, in rough synchrony with the Crown's need for armies. We are not immune to this phenomenon in our own time, since Waco and other incidents bring into sharp relief that if any private citizen calls the question on the government's monopoly on the capability to wield deadly force, then government must answer the question unequivocally and visibly in the negative. Note that this is a very different model that "the People are the government" as the Swiss in their wonderful Confederation still implement. The ideas of the Enlightenment and the Reformation about the primacy of the free individual joining with their peers in a just society were the basis of the United States but we have forgotten them here to a great extent, others have fortunately not.

The question that faces us is whether We in fact are The Government, in which case our own freedoms are no threat to ourselves, or whether we the People exist in a dualistic and ultimately adversarial relationship with some Other which holds authority over us. At its core this is a question of psychological maturity but thankfully that cannot be normed despite our best efforts. So the question moves to effects, and whether we choose to collectively trust ourselves with the power to use tools wisely and ethically. This is the fundamental question that the Second Amendment poses to us during times of peace, and based on that, signing the Amicus brief was completely appropriate and in fact wise. Lest we decide that we'd all rather be safe than free. Mommy, can I go to the bathroom now ?

[AtomicKitten]

104. Gillibrand is the NRA's poster girl, rabidly anti-gun control. You betcha.

What you applaud, I find appalling. I'm thinking the big tent has gotten a little too big.

Politically, Gillibrand, who is 41, is a conservative Democrat and a member of the Blue Dog caucus, which might make her more palatable to some of the more right-leaning areas outside the city. You might call her a bizarro version of Sarah Palin: she proudly touts her 100 percent rating from the National Rifle Association.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-11-26/the-woman-who-might-take-hillarys-senate-seat/1/

[-..__...]

71. McCarthy is a one note tuba.

Screw her and her paranoia regarding gun control.

The hand wringing crone doesn't even understand her own legislation...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U

[Paladin]

77. Yeah, She's Got A Lot Of Goddamned Nerve, Doesn't She?

I mean, the way she talks about guns, you'd think guns had been involved in a family death or something really awful like that. I mean, where does she get off?

(Sarcasm alert for all the gun obsessives, who generally need it.)

[dusmcj]

101. she needs grief counseling rather than legislation as therapy

sorry, but the unfortunate question is whether she's crossed the line where this has become pertinent in her case:
:nopity:

Personal tragedy needs to be processed rather than serving as a justification for unending sharing of it with the rest of the public, otherwise it's no different than the abuser/abusee duality - it spreads the pain.

[aikoaiko]

83. McCarthy's personal tragedy shouldn't excuse curtailing the Bill of Rights or get her a Senate seat.

Gillibrand is rock solid Democrat.

And I can't forgive McCarthy for HR 1022 or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U

[Unsane]

103. McCarthy is a radical on the gun issue and I hope she loses.

[wyldwolf]

108. and a former Republican

[AtomicKitten]

110. and Gillibrand is rabidly ANTI gun control

She's the NRA's poster girl and I find her views infinitely more radical than someone passionate about gun control.

Politically, Gillibrand, who is 41, is a conservative Democrat and a member of the Blue Dog caucus, which might make her more palatable to some of the more right-leaning areas outside the city. You might call her a bizarro version of Sarah Palin: she proudly touts her 100 percent rating from the National Rifle Association.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-11-26/the-woman-who-might-take-hillarys-senate-seat/1/

[Unsane]

113. Are you pro Bill of Rights or not?

I'd like to continue winning states like IN, NC, MO. Thank you very much.

[AtomicKitten]

114. I'm pro reasonable rational gun control, the platform on which Barack won.

You're welcome.

[Unsane]

116. That platform isn't McCarthy's

She's a ridiculous idiot on the issue. She had a personal tragedy where a crazy person killed her husband, and she now wants to severely restrict gun ownership for everyone. Just stupid. Get counseling or something; don't take it out on the rest of us.

[AtomicKitten]

118. I expect to see a different challenge from the left so your

screed against McCarthy is pointless and beside the point. She isn't the candidate I'm looking to to overturn Paterson's appointment in 2010.

My point is and always has been that Gillibrand is the poster girl for the NRA. I find that appalling; you applaud. There's the point of difference of opinion, and I find your aggressively rabid response in the form of a personal attack to be :crazy:

[slackmaster]

120. If they outlaw that shoulder thing that goes up, or heat-seeking bullets

Only outlaws will have that shoulder thing that goes up, or heat-seeking bullets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRQqieimwLQ&feature=related

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

111. You go girl. I'm sick of these NRA fanatics, even if they call themselves dems.

[gmudem]

119. I would prefer Nadler or Velazquez

Gillibrand is a weak and petty choice by Paterson, and McCarthy doesn't seem to be all that great anyway. I hope somebody else runs in 2010 that can represent New Yorkers better than any of these people can.

[Raineyb]

121. Nadler or Velazquez would have been fine choices

But apparently their geography was wrong.

I am thoroughly disgusted with this choice.

Regards

[closeupready]

122. McCarthy voted in favor of the Iraq War Resolution.

If that doesn't bother you, fine. I can't vote for her for that reason alone.