Pastor/radio host says Obama is "worthy of death"

[LuckyTheDog]

I wish I had a tape of this. A nutball radio host/pastor in the Detroit market said ON THE AIR that Barack Obama -- along with all others who accept the "homosexual lifestyle" as normal -- is "worthy of death."

This is his Web site:

http://www.joshuastrail.org/home.htm

[mmonk]

1. Sounds like a death threat to me.

[LuckyTheDog]

2. That's why I talked to the Secret Service

I hope they take this seriously.

[mmonk]

6. Good for you.

[DailyGrind51]

16. Thank you! His threat should meet the "fire in a crowded theater" exception.

[rasputin1952]

22. The Secret Service takes these things very seriously...

while most people are blustering fools, there are a few serious nutcases that might be motivated by such things. It is incredibly irresponsible for anyone to to air such a point of view.

[Creideiki]

31. Between Timothy McVeigh and Benjamin Smith

it should be clear by now that anti-government and racist and homophobic religious leaders have an influence on these small groups. The World Church of the Creator regularly "preaches" (the religious term) that people of other races and non-straight sexual orientations deserve to die. These leaders and organizations can definitely incite members of their groups to violence while they stand back and claim that they were only standing on the sidelines practicing their First Amendment rights.

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/congress/?q=node/77531&id=8269369

[rasputin1952]

32. These "people" are evil...

however, I would never advocating infringing upon their 1st Amendment Rights. for one thing, as soon as the 1st Amendment is denied one group, no matter how vile they are, other groups will be denied the same Right.

Most importantly though, I like to know who my enemies are, and what they are up to. When I see or hear these creatures, I can get an idea of what is up. Inevitably, they tip their own hand and become targets of investigation. Many will lose their tax exempt status, some may go to jail...either way, w/o them vomiting their bile, they would be harder to keep track of.

[polmaven]

36. But, as a poster pointed out above..

There is a "fire in a crowded theater" exception to the first amemendment. There are many unstable personalities who will think to themselves - "well, if the pastor says so...I will carry it out".

No one should be "preaching" - on air - that the president or anyone else "is worthy of death". That is not freedom of speech, that is, in cases like this, very possibly incitement.

[rasputin1952]

46. I am not sing only the advocation of someone's death in my post...

I am merely stating that the hate these people espouse has to be noticed, heard and challenged. Even as repulsive as i find hate groups and hate speech, Silencing them actually empowers them.

The Secret Service should be advised of anything that advocates the death of a high official, and the FBI should be notified of the hate speech speech of any group.

I am not condoning this stuff, but there are aspects that fall into the 1st Amendment territory...just ask Fred Phelps, he's won cases on this stuff, and I sure as hell don't agree w/anything that maniac has to say.

[acmavm]

38. Advocating a president's death is NOT covered under the First Amendment.

People who think that are just plain wrong.

[rasputin1952]

47. That's not the point of the post...

most certainly, I think advocating the death of a president or anyone else, is wrong, immoral and illiegal; but there are points to the situation where it cr0osses into gray territory as far as 1st Amendment Rights. There aare others, closer to the mainstream, that have said such things and have not been taken to task, think Limbaugh, Savage and Hannity, who each, on not a fe occasions called for similar action against Clinton, Obama and others.

[Hippo_Tron]

50. It is covered in the sense that you can't put somebody in jail for it

But I'm sure it is grounds for the Secret Service to get search warrants and conduct wiretaps.

[lunatica]

41. The Supreme Court has ruled that Freedom of Speech doesn't cover "Fighting words"

because it's speech that creates violence it is called "Fighting words" and a ruling by the Supreme Court has said they are not protected. Look on page 88 of the book Freedom of Speech A Reference Guide to The United States Constitution by Keith Werhan:

http://books.google.com/books?id=DD7_JoZfWisC&pg=PA88&lpg=PA88&dq=fighting+words+and+freedom+of+speech&source=bl&ots=OcAp1sG4JM&sig=CkH4ScNBgYLDkIHZgpP6afBBYKM&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=8&ct=result

[Creideiki]

52. There are limits to the First Amendment

You don't get to incite violence against any group of people or individual persons.

[Hellataz]

48. Can you imagine how many calls the SS get over these threats?

I mean so many people are open about wanting the president dead, angry republicans to angry racists, I bet the SS is working harder then they ever have to keep up with all the tips they've been getting. I wonder what they do about them all, do they investigate them? Do they go talk to them and if it's just some crack pot tell them to knock it the hell off? How can the SS deter this cause it seems to be increasing lately.

[rox63]

3. The Secret Service should be crawling up this guy's ass by now n/t

[KewlKat]

4. Most of these radio programs are taped by the host

I would think you could inquire at the station about a copy of the program, probably for a fee, expressing (fake) interest in the program and then you could have it for proof. I'd contact the FBI, stating the date and approximate time you heard the program.

[KewlKat]

5. When did you hear this? Yesterday?

The show reairs today in a couple hours and I could snag the feed.

[LuckyTheDog]

33. I heard it on Saturday -- yesterday (nt)

[Dennis Donovan]

7. Is "Elder Levon Yuille" the host of the show who made the threat?

He's featured in the sidebar of the link you posted.

[LuckyTheDog]

35. Yep. he's the guy (nt)

[depakid]

8. Hopefully, those who think hate radio isn't a problem will see this thread

This is an example of why media re-regulation needs to include provisions for license non-renewal.

No reason whatsoever that the owners of this station should be granted access to the public airwaves if this is what they're going to broadcast.

[rurallib]

10. remember that church down in Tennessee last summer

Spurred on by Hannity and Limpy a guy goes in and shoots up a 'liberal' church.

[depakid]

12. Yep- and I suspect there'll be more of that on the way

As the economy worsens (due to their own policies) -the wannabe mullahs are going to incite even more violence.

[Dennis Donovan]

13. ...and we STILL don't know the motive for the Bill Gwatney assassination...

:grr:

[PylesMalfunction]

53. Several people from my neighborhood...

were in that church at the time. :( Along with their kids. :(

[Clio the Leo]

9. Remember the guy who published the magazine showing .....

.... Barack in the cross hairs? The White Trash Supremicist rag?

He's Locked up. (The fact that he's in jail was news to me.)

[ebdarcy]

19. I didn't know that either. I don't think I ever saw a follow-up to that particular

story.

[ikojo]

11. Is there a podcast?

If there isn't a podcast then perhaps archives online.

Either way, I THINK all radio shows are recorded in some fashion and kept for a certain length of time.

[Kber]

14. Incitement to murder isn't protected free speech.

[flpoljunkie]

15. What is wrong with these 'haters?' Whatever happened to 'Judge not, that ye be not judged.'

The command from Jesus to his followers in the Sermon on the Mount.

[bluedawg12]

17. They've been marinating in this hate speech for a good 30 years

they have lost control of reality.

[Danger Mouse]

18. Barack Obama is now president. Any and all threats to him will be taken VERY seriously.

The Secret Service doesn't fuck around.
This scumbag will soon find that out.

[Name removed]

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[TreasonousBastard]

23. Wow! It took a whole 46 minutes for this...

to start.

But, it's Sunday morning, so IO guess the shitstirrers are sleeping in.

[LuckyTheDog]

34. What did that say?

I missed seeing the deleted message.

[TreasonousBastard]

51. Oh, just more of the "imaginary sky...

being" that only idiots believe in and is the cause of all the planet's misery.

Personally, I have no problems with atheism and other forms of nonbelief, but tend to object to being told I'm a subhuman life form simply because I seriously suspect there's a God out there somewhere.

[KewlKat]

21. I couldn't find any "archived" audio on the WDTK site

However, I've got the link to the online re-air below. His show will come on 10 AM Central Time. If it was said yesterday, then I would think it would be in this re-airing. I can open my audio recorder and snag it, but if this statement wasn't made yesterday, then I don't want to listen to this puke for nothing. Hate mongers make me crazy.

http://radiotime.com/station/s_22119/WDTK_1400.aspx

[firedupdem]

24. Lost Damned Fool

This was all I needed to read about his dumb ass:

He is also the chair of the Michigan Black Republican Council of Southeastern Michigan.
His relationship with the party has afforded him the opportunity to work with and meet such great Americans as, President Bush, he recently had the privilege of having been a table guest with Associate Justice Clarence Thomas.


What a stupid lost soul.

[firedupdem]

25. These threats are being taken seriously...I hope they keep locking

these assholes up.

An Omaha man is facing a federal charge after threatening to shoot and kill President Barack Obama.

A news release issued Friday by U.S. Attorney Joe Stecher says Johnnie Galarza, 55, was charged in an indictment that was unsealed this week. It alleges the threat was made on or around Nov. 10, when Obama was president-elect.

The indictment alleges Galarza said he could kill Obama with a sniper shot from a distance of 256 yards.

If convicted, Galarza faces up to five years in prison, a fine of $250,000 and three years of probation.


http://journalstar.com/articles/2009/01/23/news/nebraska/doc497a5f7050af2073105935.txt

[baldguy]

26. Why does the Right tolerate terrorism in their ranks?

[GoldenOldie]

27. America's version of Al-Qaeda

Call them what they are, they simply slide under the radar when simply passed-off as "conservative, right-wings, fundies, etc." They are American terrorists. They play the game, give them the name.

[CitizenPatriot]

29. Domestic Terrorism is the New Patritotism

for the Knuckle Draggers

They make me sick. I am so full of joy over our new President -- and then I read about this crap and feel physically ill.

They don't deserve to fly the flag, drive on the roads tax paying Americans fund, or have the rights of a citizen. It's treason -- and FOR NO REASON except hate.

We suffered through an illegally appointed President who then started a war illegally and violated the constitution every day before he got up. When we protested those acts, we were called UnAmerican and Treasonous. Now, they're all over the place with their sick rhetoric and violence inciting.

GOD AND ANY OTHER POWER BLESS our new President and keep him safe.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

28. Have a look at this Pastor's version of Black History...

From his church's website:

http://biblechurchypsi.org/history.html

It's a real eye-opener, especially towards the end. He seriously demonizes Democrats, with a little gay-bashing and Clinton-bashing thrown in to boot.

[AtomicKitten]

30. And he has won himself a visit from the Men in Black. n/t

[polmaven]

37. I certainly hope so...

He at least should be made to "clarify" to his listeners that he was not advocating for anyone to kill the president.....!

[AtomicKitten]

40. Agreed. Saying this before a microphone is dangerous. n/t

[Imagevision]

39. Pastor - you didn't know homosexuality has been with us since religion began stoopid!

[derby378]

42. You know those Suburbans that accompanied Obama's limo during the festivities on the 20th?

All of them had Secret Service agents hanging off of them, naturally, but at least a couple of them were special customized models with a flip-top roof that conceals a gun pod. Flip the roof open, and out pops a Secret Service agent manning a Dillon Aero minigun on a special turret. That minigun spits out .50-caliber rounds at a rate of at least 3,000 a minute.

I'd like to see one of those Suburbans pay a visit to Pastor Trail at the radio station for a little chat. Yeah, that'll probably make Trail pee himself.

[PurityOfEssence]

43. Gosh, isn't religion fun?

Aren't you glad our President brought it front and center in his campaign?

By the way, ever heard an argument against homosexuality that wasn't religion-based?

La la la la la la la.

[Peace_Sells]

49. Nope.

And I don't think there is one. Other than maybe someone who just plain hates them.

[butterfly77]

44. I couldn't listen because....`

I listen to as much as I can stand of them some weeks. Them and the rest of their rightwing,racist,fruitcake callers. One of these so called pastor's needs to clean the buggars out of his throat.

They sound so ignorant and when a caller calls in to challenge them they try to get them off the line as soon as possible or use the announcer of the show to take over because he is suppose to be more intellectual. If he isn't around they try to talk over the person or pretend that they need to take a break.

[Cha]

45. This hypocrite needs to be held accountable

for his blatherings. Fuck him and fuck his hypocricy.

[Bake]

54. I'm guessing that the Secret Service is going to be VERY busy!!

There are an awful lot of nutjobs out there.

Bake

[demokatgurrl]

55. "Worthy of death" - aren't we all? n/t