Hillary to Cornyn: "The Clintons don't forget."

[Jennicut]

On Tuesday, Politico's Glenn Thrush reported about a little tête-à-tête between Hillary Clinton and John Cornyn in the Capitol. Cornyn, you'll recall, had just prevented a unanimous consent vote on Hillary's nomination and Thrush, who saw but did not hear the discussion, characterized the exchange as "heated," which Cornyn denied.

Well, one of our eagle-eyed sources spotted the same discussion and was able to get within earshot just in time to hear Clinton warn Cornyn, "The Clintons don't forget." One day later, Cornyn's objections to Clinton's confirmation magically disappeared and the man who had set the roll call vote in motion voted in favor of confirming Clinton. Now let's see how she handles Hamid Karzai.
http://hillary.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/01/23/hillary_to_cornyn_the_clintons_dont_forget


She put the smackdown on him. He deserved it too, the ass.

[Raine]

1. I know I wouldn't want to be

on the wrong side of the Clinton's ... LOL :spank:

[Jennicut]

3. LOL..I am just glad it was a Rethug.

[Captain Hilts]

7. The Roosevelts remembered how Hoover had FDR and ER stand, that's STAND...

for an hour because Hoover was 45 minutes late to a White House reception for governors in April of '32. On this occasion it was up to Eleanor to hold him up - no mean feat as he was not only heavy, but top-heavy and could leave bruises in the arm of whoever was holding him up. By the end of the evening the R's looked like NBA players at the foul line. Just bathed in sweat. It angered and carbonated their desire to oust Hoover, whom they'd liked up to that point.

In other words, politics ain't beanbag, and it is personal

Here's a photo of the evening:

[Jennicut]

9. Wow. We all forget that FDR had major physical limitations.

Hoover deserved it too.

[Captain Hilts]

10. FDR couldn't dress himself and...

was uncomfortable on a train going over 35 mph. He didn't have the right back muscles to hold himself steady for any extended period of time on a fast train.

It came in very handy his wife was so big. If she'd been shorter or smaller, she might not have been able to do it.

[Jennicut]

11. FDR fascinates me because he was such a big presence and yet practically crippled

physically. Eleanor deserves amazing praise for what she did for her husband.

[Captain Hilts]

12. Yes, in addition...

to being willing to draw right-wing criticism to herself to protect him or his policies.

[Jennicut]

13. Hey, I just realized you are Mookie! Or were formerly Mookie.

No wonder you know so much about FDR and ER! Like the new name. I have to get used to everyone's new names.

[Captain Hilts]

28. Well, if you are a Roosevelt fan AND know who Capt. Hilts is, you must be cool!nt

[tledford]

31. Yes, but what was Captian Hilts' FIRST name?

Virgil.

Great movie, great character as portrayed by McQueen.

Edited for correct punctuation (possessive) in subject line.

[Captain Hilts]

33. "That's 'captain' Hilts." nt

[Bake]

65. Mookie!! Izzat you??

I'm still trying to get used to the new names (and I've got one too!).

Bake

[grantcart]

166. Even after a few minutes of standing FDR would be bathed in sweat.

[Captain Hilts]

2. Politico is a shameless rumor monger.

[ClarkUSA]

54. Really? Links, proof? Aside from a few opinion columns, what's wrong with them?

:shrug:

[underpants]

191. Captain is right. Politico is mostly a pass-through for Drudge and the like

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/05/30/allen/

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/5/3/102243/3795
Greenwald Skins Politico
By Big Tent Democrat, Section Media
Posted on Thu May 03, 2007 at 09:22:43 AM EST
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This is a tour de force evisceraton of Politico by Glenn Greenwald, exposing lies, conceit, stupidity, hypocrisy and incompetence, all in one column. Read the whole thing. But, I want to take the main Politico players Glenn skins:

(1) (non-Pajama) Roger Simon - Glenn proves him untruthful, hypocritical, and rather stupid. Here's how - Simon wrote about John Edwards' haircut. Now we all expect that from people like Roger Simon because he is shallow fool. But Riger Simon has gotten wind that we think of him as a shallow fool and thus wanted to provide a justification for his vapidity. And thus he describes why he is wrting about Edwards' haircut again:

This is bad: When you go to Google and enter "Edwards haircut," the first item that comes up is a story by Bill Wundram in The Quad-City Times of Davenport, Iowa. . . . The article got 324 comments from readers. When people inside the Beltway are talking about your haircut, it doesn't matter much. When people in Iowa are talking about your haircut, you may have a problem.

Simon's first mistake was to think that Glenn Greenwald did not know that he lifted the item from Matt Drudge, not that he actually did a Google search, and that since Drudge linked to the Iowa newspaper story, that explains the 324 comments. So, Simon is demonstrated to be not truthful about (1) why he is writing the story, the Iowa newspaper piece had nothing to do with it, and (2)the enormous amounts of comments the piece got - both because Drudge linked to the Iowa article.

So what do we know now about Roger Simon in addition to the fact that he seems vapid and foolish (which we knew already)? That he does not tell the truth either.

(2) John Harris, Managing Editor of Politico. What do we make of the high and mighty decrier of The Freak Show that is the Media now? Greenwald says it best:

The Politico's own Editor-in-Chief, John Harris, wrote in his book that political journalism is a "Freak Show" ruled by Matt Drudge, which makes it, by definition, a Freak Show devoted to advancing the Limbaugh-led right-wing agenda. More than any other journalistic outlet around, The Politico has conducted itself so as to feed off of the core of that right-wing Freak Show.

This is what Harris wrote when explaining to me in the most generously patient way the difference between the elevated work of political journalists and the rambunctious, lowly partisanship of bloggers:

Although we are a new publication, Politico has several reporters and editors who have been in this profession for two decades or more. They know that what counts is reputation over the long haul, not any individual story or any uproar du jour on the blogs. . . . In your case, much of your criticism comes from a distinct ideological perspective. That's fine, but surely you must appreciate that not everyone acts with your degree of ideological motivation. In the case of people at Politico, our motivations are simple -- to write interesting and worthwhile stories and to put those stories before largest possible audience.

That pious lecture was delivered by an individual who oversees a "newspaper" that has published no fewer than eight items in the last two weeks about John Edwards' haircut, including a front-page-promoted article yesterday devoted exclusively to that matter by his "Senior Political Columnist."

John Harris looks a gasbag here and I wonder if he has the gumption to respond to Greenwald's evisceration of Politico. Because Roger Simon really stepped in it on this one.

All the defenses, all the whining, all the nonsense has been exposed in this little episode. And if John Harris wants to be better than he was before, better than what he described in the Freak Show, what Roger Simon did must be reprimanded and must be stopped.

[bluestateguy]

4. This is why the RWNM has never beaten them

And it's also probably why the RWNM hates them so much: after destroying McGovern, Carter, Mondale and Dukakis, they were finally confronted with an opponent who knew how to fight and win.

I remember in 1993, after Dick Shelby of Alabama denounced Bill Clinton's budget and tax package on TV, the Clinton Administration quietly moved a NASA facility out of Hunstville, AL and in to Texas.

[Captain Hilts]

8. That's exactly right. nt

[TTUBatfan2008]

15. Ironically enough...

it took a guy on the left who ran a fairly honorable campaign against them to beat them. Who woulda thunk it? Honorable campaigns can actually win?

[Captain Hilts]

30. He had the wind at his back the whole way.

By March '07 the media said he'd win.

[TTUBatfan2008]

45. Even though he was down 20-30 in the polls...

LOL.

[ErinBerin84]

59. I surely have a different memory of the media than you do, heh.

But I agree, I tend not to trust Gossip Girl Politico.

[blm]

52. Really? How long did "Clintons trashed the WH' story last? Or 'Clinton soft on terrorism' lie fester

after 9-11?

[karynnj]

140. How long? Are they completely dead yet?

I would be willing to bet that a higher percent of people believe that the Clintons did trash the White House than believe that Kerry did not earn his medals. This is spite of the Clintons having far greater media access and prominence.

The fact that there is a word "swiftboating" and it means particularly unsavory lying for political purposes. There is no similar word developed for the Clintons - that embeds the concept that they were lied about.

Here, I hope this is not true. The fact is that Cornyn did nothing other than insure there was debate and a vote. There is nothing wrong about that. (Turn it around and what your feeling would have been had a Democrat done the same thing - one likely did for Dr Rice as there was a vote on her - with 13 voting against her.) Also consider how the Democrats used there time in the debate - Kerry let several REPUBLICANS and Democrats speak praising HRC. A few Republicans spoke on their time and even then DeMint spoke of his intent to vote against her but praised her competence. Go to CSPAN video archive and you can watch that time period - it was NOT painful.

[billybob537]

5. CORNHOLE n/t

[CLANG]

18. Creamed corn

[DinahMoeHum]

6. Cornbread.

n/t

[Metric System]

14. I kind of doubt this account. First, it comes from Politico. Second, it comes from Politico. Also,

why didn't this source provide more context? Surely, s/he wasn't lucky enough to overhear this private conversation just as that juicy line was uttered. And for all we know, maybe she was saying the Clintons never forget...birthdays.

[ErinBerin84]

78. hehe

"First, it comes from Politico. Second, it comes from Politico." That's such a true motto to live by. I swear, they would post a "Democratic sources say" that Obama does not flush the toilet, or something.

[MadHound]

16. Umm, I really don't want my SOS looking to start political vendettas

Or extracting revenge for what happened during the Clinton years. These people were put in office to achieve certain objectives, not play political games.

[wyldwolf]

20. I do, especially when the right wing POS deserves it

[PBS Poll-435]

22. She wasn't SOS yet

:P

[Captain Hilts]

34. HRC knows when to charm, when to play rough, etc. Sounds like great makings for a SoS. nt

[Captain Hilts]

32. Such delicate flowers on DU!

Hell, peace love and granola Eleanor Roosevelt played rock 'em, sock 'em with: Theo Roosevelt, jr., Cardinal Spellman and Carmine de Sapio, and declared it in the first and the last examples, and whupped 'em both.

That's how politics works. Cornwyn is from Texas, he knows that.

And this is just more rumor mongering from Politico. IGNORE.

[geek tragedy]

73. Diplomacy is one big political game. n/t

[Phx_Dem]

17. He deserved a smackdown, but this just reminds everyone how vindictive

the Clinton's are. Threatening him with retribution is so Hillary, and I don't mean that in a good way.

[wyldwolf]

19. that's awesome. And the bellyaching in this thread is so typical

[MadHound]

23. Yup, so's the mindless cheerleading too.

Amazing how many people lose their critical thinking skills once somebody with a D behind their name is in office.

[PBS Poll-435]

26. WTF?

That asshole pulled a political stunt and Hillary put him in his place.

[MadHound]

27. Go back and read your relatively recent politcal history

The Clintons are famous for their political vendetta's, and having Hillary wasting her time and energy on them at this crucial juncture is not appropriate. She simply could have let him go on his merry way and vote how he wished, after all, it wasn't like she wasn't a shoe in no matter what.

Now she's done this call-out and it's shit like this that leads to petty political games paralyzing our government. There are times to bring down the hammer and there are times to let sleeping dogs lie. This was one of those sleeping dog times and Hillary fucked up.

[PBS Poll-435]

29. I respectfully disagree

Cornyn ON FRIGGIN' INAUGURATION DAY pulled a petty a cheap stunt trying to steal a little media attention.

Not only was it petty, he ended up voting for Hillary the next day.

It was not like she held a press conference, she just told him that he is on notice.

[MadHound]

35. Perhaps she hasn't heard the term of being gracious in victory

She needs to let shit like this roll off her back rather than trying to recreate the Medici bloodfeud.

I suppose that we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

[Captain Hilts]

36. Right. This and Reid's "I don't work for him" about Obama are ham-handed power plays. nt

[PBS Poll-435]

48. Reid is about to go all mavericky

:rofl:

[wyldwolf]

40. that would be "right wing political history" Madhound is referring to

[Beacool]

44. And you know this to be true because?

Funny how no one else heard a word of their conversation except for this person from Politico who happened to catch only one sentence and it was a threat from Hillary.......

:eyes:

[biopowertoday]

50. very strange indeed.

[wyldwolf]

39. amazing how "progressives" whine about wanting a fighter and then don't have the stomach for it

[PBS Poll-435]

51. She is going to ruin everything. She is going to undermine our President.

She is going to grasp power from where it recently didn't exist. She is going to not recycle in her office. Chock Full of Nuts is going to be the official coffee of the US Department of State. Pizza will no longer be permitted in "Foggy Bottom" unless it resembles the pizza found in Brooklyn. Nail polish will be forbidden in the office unless it is turquoise. No designer handbags at work either unless it is Marc Jacobs or Isaac Mizrahi.

[lumberjack_jeff]

60. Remember who you're dealing with.

Tigers don't change their stripes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5666226

[PBS Poll-435]

63. Exactly. Talk about a "flypaper" thread!

[Beacool]

69. You owe me a clean keyboard!!!

LOL!!!!

:rofl:

[Forkboy]

74. People want someone to fight for policy, not personal grudges.

[wyldwolf]

94. which can only be accomplished in office or confirmed

[Forkboy]

99. That wasn't the gist of your previous snark though.

You claimed that "progressives" want someone to fight for them but can't stomach it when they get one. I pointed out that it's not just a question of getting someone who can fight, but what that person fights for that matters. If this story were true (and I don't believe it is), this would be a case of fighting for petty personal feelings, not fighting to make our lives better. There's a huge distinction there, as I'm sure you know.

You were just trying to score points against those "progressives" you seem to hate so much. The funny part being that you're no different from them in any real way. Just a different slice of the same Democratic pie, convinced they taste better than the other slices.

[wyldwolf]

118. but you gave it purpose with yours

You claimed that "progressives" want someone to fight for them but can't stomach it when they get one.

No I didn't. I said "progressives" want a fighter then can't stomach it when they get one. Big difference. ou won't find an elected official who will fight just for "progressives." Unfortunately, "progressives" whine about that, too.

I pointed out that it's not just a question of getting someone who can fight, but what that person fights for that matters.

Yes you did - and now that she's confirmed, Secretary of State will fight for Obama's foreign policy. Most would agree that matters.

If this story were true (and I don't believe it is), this would be a case of fighting for petty personal feelings, not fighting to make our lives better. There's a huge distinction there, as I'm sure you know.

No, it would be a case of fighting against someone who could lead a movement against her confirmation.

You were just trying to score points against those "progressives" you seem to hate so much.

Nah, they do that themselves everyday.

[quickesst]

103. Bingo....

I for one, am damn tired of so called Democrats wearing tutu's bending over for the GOrepugnantP. Only thing some progressives are more afraid of than the repugs are democrats who fight, and are winners. Look at the inane shit Obama was put through before he had the power to make one decision as president from our own side. Look what the only other winner we've had in years went through, from our own side. Reid and Pelosi head the dance troupe. Thanks for a president and an SOS that aren't afraid to fight fire with fire, and win.
quickesst

[blm]

224. Sure - we SAW how much Clintons fought FOR the left - they caved to GOPs and Bush and WOULDN'T FIGHT

especially when Hillary was in the senate from 2001-2007 and especially when Bill used his three week summer 2004 book tour to support and DEFEND Bush's decisions on terrorism and Iraq war.

[PBS Poll-435]

21. HaHa!!! I love Hillary!

I HATE CORNYN!!!

[Starry Messenger]

24. I hate annoying corns.

Good for her.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

49. Oooooh

that be a nasty plantar's wart - painful!

[MasonJar]

25. Good for Hill! By the way, John, I am not going to forget either!!!!!!!!

[ObamaFan19]

128. John is an idiot anyways.

John is an idiot anyways.

[firedupdem]

37. As much as I believe Hillary can hold her own I don't trust anything

from Politico or their "sources". They make up shit for the fun of it.

[Skip Intro]

38. Don't trust politico, but if true, I love it. Hillary is a force to be reckoned with.

Glad she's on our side.

[liberalpragmatist]

41. My humble opinion is that this is bullshit

nt

[Rosa Luxemburg]

42. I doubt it

[smalll]

43. You go, "Our Girl!" She's perfect for Secretary of State for Obama --

if we want to advance American policy through diplomacy rather than war now, we NEED a tough-as-nails, ball-busting negotiator like Hillary. Hillary's diplomacy: a velvet glove, but an iron fist!


(An old Hillarite here, so understand, this is anti-:sarcasm: )

[camera obscura]

46. I'm reminded of the saying "whoever wins, we lose"

[CreekDog]

47. Hillary can play the bad cop very well

and don't tell me that doesn't come in handy once in a while.

:D

[ShortnFiery]

53. Yes it's always sweet when our thugs top their thugs.

:eyes:

[TwilightGardener]

55. Barf. Get over yourselves, Hill-n-Bill. Cornyn's an ass, but so what?

Threats are just...cheesy.

[ClarkUSA]

56. Good thing The Obamas are above vengeful thuggery, or else Hillary wouldn't be SoS now.

Evidently, some people are born thugs, others are born class acts.

[riqster]

57. Obama is no fool, and neither is Hillary

Hillary as SOS can play bad cop to his good cop. He is a Chicago pol, and knows from hardball.

If this is true, I love it. If not, well, it still gives her a 'don't fuck with me' reputation, so it's a win either way.

[ClarkUSA]

58. It's a matter of behaving like a class act versus behaving like a threatening Rovian thug.

It's obvious which one the Obamas are, which they have amply shown time and again.
You can be tough without acting like a thug. Just ask Team O. I hope Hillary shows
more graciousness and diplomacy as Obama's SoS. There are enough vengeful thugs
in the Middle East, the world doesn't need one more pretending to be America's top
diplomat.

[riqster]

72. Being cooperative has not worked with Reeps

...so fuck it, let's let Hillary slip her leash a bit now and then, to remind them that we are being classy because we CHOOSE to be, not because we have to be.

We keep on acting like the Reeps will respond to civil treatment by responding in kind. They haven't, they don't and they won't. Reeps have acted like pillaging Saxons since 1983, and they know no other way to behave. So a sharp slap now and again is necessary to gain their respect - or at least their attention.

[ClarkUSA]

76. Who's talking about cooperation? I'm talking about Hillary sounding like a vengeful Rovian thug.

There's a middle ground called being a class act while still being persuasive and tough. Political thuggery is ugly no matter who
does it and Americans are tired of politicians who practice it, which is a huge reason why Barack Obama won by the largest popular
vote margin since LBJ and has higher approval ratings than any president in recent memory. Hillary better get over her Clintonian
bullying ways (I won't hold my breath on that score) because it doesn't reflect well on either the Obama administration or lend
much credence on her alleged skills as a diplomat.

[riqster]

77. There's a time and place for both approaches

...at least, in my opinion. The vast majority of the time, Obama's approach is best, and suits me to a tee.

I DO think that, every once in a while, it is OK to speak to thugs like Cornyn in their own lingo. Helps them understand.

[ClarkUSA]

79. If Pres. Obama can be a class act despite much worse GOP provocation, I expect that of Hillary, too

It's time to leave politically divisive thuggery behind us. We had enough of that during the Clinton and Bush II administrations
and look where it's gotten us as a nation? It's time to turn the page. I don't see anything statesmanlike about Hillary's behavior.
If she can't deal with Cornyn, how is she going to speak to Syria and Iran?

[riqster]

81. Why be statesmanlike to Cornyn? He's a thug and understands only thuggery.

One of the first lessons I had to learn was to speak in ways that my audience understood (not quite to the extent of the fictional Wilfred Coker, but in that vein). If I am speaking to reasonable people, I deliver my message one way (e.g."if we are to succeed, we must work cooperatively"). If I am dealing with thuggish people, I deliver the message with different tone and phrasing (for example, "play ball with us or we will shove the bat up your ass"). I think Hillary is doing the same.


Of course, if she goes all Vito Corleone on a foreign head of state or someone of that ilk, I'll share in your concern. For now, I trust Obama to keep his people in line.

[ClarkUSA]

84. I asked the same question about why Obama would pick Hillary for SoS but he did it anyway.

I'll bet many of you would have been appalled if he dissed both McCain and Hillary, despite having very good reason
to do so after how he was thuggishly treated by both these opponents. However, I've come to believe that President
Obama believes in co-opting your enemies/opponents into following his lead instead of alienating them further by
getting down to their level. Two wrongs don't make a right and that applies to Clintonian thuggery, however successful
this time.

Tom DeLay was successful much in the same way during his heyday and freepers cheered him on. I don't believe in
disparaging GOP Rovian thuggery and cheering on Hillary's. If I did, I'd be an obvious partisan hypocrite, wouldn't I?

:shrug:

[jesus_of_suburbia]

90. Obama picked Hillary because he recognizes her immense and varied talents.

He's no fool... he knows a good thing when he sees it, and he certainly saw it in Hillary!

[ClarkUSA]

91. Not really. She was not the most qualified candidate to be SoS but he needed to neutralize a rival.

And he has done so, by co-opting his prime opponent in the Democratic Party into following his orders and
acknowledging him as her boss. Ditto for Bill. Checkmate.

:shrug:

[jesus_of_suburbia]

101. Really! He knew talent when he saw it, and he asked her to be SOS.

They're going to make a great team. After a fantastic 8 years of President Obama, Hillary will be President for another fantastic 8 years from 2017-2025!

[AtomicKitten]

149. more like keeping her pissing out of the tent instead of in like she has a proclivity for doing

[jesus_of_suburbia]

170. Obama loves Hillary... I'm sorry you don't realize it! You will eventually!

They are a great team!

[AtomicKitten]

172. Obama has neutralized her to keep her from stabbing him the back, again.

You know the saying about keeping your friends close and your enemies closer and all. He got a taste of her kamikaze style politics and is hedging his bets on that mess.

[Beacool]

66. Clark, sometimes you make me laugh!!!

Your adoration of anything Obama and hatred of anything Clinton is just funny by now. They are both politicians and damned good at their game, neither is Hillary a thug nor Obama an angel.

Besides, who the hell believes that only the Politico source heard them talk and that he/she only heard that one sentence.

Please..........

:eyes:

[ClarkUSA]

89. Your axe-grinding personal attack is duly noted. You'll never, ever get over the primaries, eh?

Don't you have yet another anti-Caroline Kennedy OP to tend to? :eyes:

[Lilith Velkor]

97. Spoken like a person who shows up to crap on every single thread that mentions HRC

Projection, thy name is...

[ClarkUSA]

98. Prove it. Link to "every single thread that mentions HRC" and show my posts in them. You can't.

BS, thy name is ...

[Lilith Velkor]

102. Your indignant bluster denotes not being over the primaries.

Sucks to be so pathetic, but at least your suffering provides entertainment. :popcorn:

[ClarkUSA]

104. lol! I called you on your BS and you launch a personal attack. It's the standard MO of your kind.

Projection, they name is Lilith Velkor....

I am not suffering, dear. I am having the time of my life while the same few bitter DUers can't bring themselves to allow constructive
criticism of Hillary to take place here without getting into a defensive crouch before launching the same kind of tired ol' personal
attacks DU experienced during the primaries. I see you've joined that conga line.

Have a good time being a mean-spirited pill while I celebrate the joyous fact that Barack Obama is POTUS along with the rest of
the world.

:woohoo: :party: Obama Is 44!! :woohoo: :party:

[Beacool]

107. What's constructive about you going on and on over some B.S. article from Politico

that they can't prove to save their lives? If this was on tape, then your many comments would be justified. As it is, it's just one more excuse to bash Hillary.

Yeah, very constructive...........As I said before, sometimes you're way too funny.

:rofl:

[ClarkUSA]

111. Ah, the other double team member returns to the fray!

You do realize that DU is a discussion group forum, right? If you can't handle what I say about without launching
a personal attack based on your lingering primary resentments, then I suggest you put me on ignore. Either that
or continue being a bitter pill while I will continue to celebrate the fact that Obama Is 44 for the next eight years.

:shrug:

[Beacool]

114. Clark, honey, say whatever you want

but don't pretend that it is "constructive criticism". It is what it is, you simply don't like her and that's that.

:shrug:

See ya.....

;)

[ClarkUSA]

133. I intend to. You and others may want to stop replaying the primary wars at some point, though.

:shrug:

[Beacool]

137. Well, what can I tell you..............

The way you feel about the Clintons I feel about certain other Democrats. If I see that someone I support is being attacked unfairly (as it is in this case since the whole article is bogus and refuted by Sen. Cornyn's office) I will continue to defend them. It's a big party with lots of different views, we're not monolithic.

:shrug:

[rvablue]

207. I think I have a theory....

there is something about a Hillary avatar that just sends you over the edge.

How is it rational to keep accusing people of personal attacks when you do it all the time?

[Beacool]

217. He has trouble dealing with pretty blondes?

:shrug:

[rvablue]

218. Good one! n/t

[rvablue]

206. Yes, CUSA is quite funny, just like most jokes! n/t

[Lilith Velkor]

112. Obama is 44, Clinton is Head of State...

and ClarkUSA is not over the primaries.

[Beacool]

113. Damn, they look good together.

With all due respect to Michelle and Bill.

}(

[ClarkUSA]

115. lol! You can't even get your terminology right! Hillary is not "Head of State"... Obama is.

"Head of state is the generic term for the individual or collective office that serves as the chief public representative of a
monarchic or republican nation-state, federation, commonwealth or any other political state. His or her role generally
includes personifying the continuity and legitimacy of the state and exercising the political powers, functions and duties
granted to the head of state in the country's constitution and further legislation. The head of state is often thought of as
the official "leader" of the nation-state."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_state

Zingers lose their zip when you screw up the meaning of phrases, y'know. You ladies carry on taking turns trying to
land a blow, though. I understand that it's hard to let go of your primary resentments and a scapegoat can come in
handy.

:rofl:

[Lilith Velkor]

120. Sorry, couldn't resist

deliberately misconstruing an abbreviation of "Head of the State Department," because it's an easy way to fuck with bringers of primary poutrage who try to pretend they didn't start a subthread full of primary butthurt.

[ClarkUSA]

130. So now you're trying to avoid acknowledging your embarrassing mistake by attacking me again??

What a bitter broken record you are sounding. Projection, thy name is... Lilith Velkor.

Try to get over the primaries because for the next 8 years as I will be loudly celebrating along with the rest of the
world that Barack won the presidency -- by the largest popular vote margin in four decades. No doubt he will win
by a landslide in 2012 as well. I look forward to working for Team O again beginning in 3 years.

I suggest if you don't like what I say, put me on ignore. Now excuse me while I :party: Obama Is 44 :party:

[Lilith Velkor]

141. Look up "deliberate" and get back to me.

I wouldn't dream of putting you on ignore. Why on earth would I do that to a lolcow that I am milking?



"Are you going to tell him we work together now?"
"Hell no, this shit is too funny!"

[ClarkUSA]

222. You said Hillary was "Head of State" which is a glaring mistake and you can't admit it.

You're Hillaryous.

[Lilith Velkor]

226. You don't know what "deliberately misconstrue" means and can't admit it.

Lulz u fail.

(BTW, I voted for Gravel, but yes, I'm Hillaryous.)

[ClarkUSA]

229. Red herring aside... at least I knew that Hillary is not "Head of State" which you obviously didn't.

However, I rest assured that you won't make such an embarrassing and politically ignorant mistake again.

[Lilith Velkor]

233. Obama is 44, Clinton is Head of State...

and it wasn't a mistake, but please, do carry on. :popcorn:

[ClarkUSA]

234. Obama is 44 and Head of State while Hillary is only Secretary of State, m'dear.

But do keep making a fool out of yourself, if that's what makes you happy.

[Lilith Velkor]

235. Oh, you're so cute when you stomp your little feet like that.

"Can you believe this guy?"
"That's how we drink milkshakes, sweetie, it takes a long-ass straw."

[ClarkUSA]

236. I'm not the one refusing to admit a mistake and insisting on childishly repeating it again & again.

Projection... thy name is Lilith Velkor.

Obama is 44 and Head of State while Hillary is SECRETARY of State.

Facts are stubborn things, aren't they? lol

[Lilith Velkor]

238. Yes, honey, you are doing precisely that.

The fact that you continue to be so butthurt about it (as well as being butthurt about your preferred candidate WINNING) never ceases to amuse.

[ClarkUSA]

240. What I'm doing is making sure you don't forget the fact that Obama Is 44 and Head of State.

:woohoo: Obama Is 44 and Head of State :party:

[Lilith Velkor]

247. Oh yes, you're doing very well. Good for you!

Don't forget to eat the rest of your paste before naptime.

[Adelante]

215. The title of "Head of State" belongs to the President

The Secretary of State represents and reports to the Head of State.

[Lilith Velkor]

232. Allow me to repeat, again, in common vernacular

I. Was. Just. Fucking. With. Him. (Or her.)

By all means, make another puffed-up outrage reply in which you demonstrate willful ignorance. It will amuse me. :)

[ClarkUSA]

241. Sure you were. More like you're CYA because you're too embarrassed to admit a dumb mistake.

[Adelante]

248. Far be it from me to judge your motives

You could have made an honest mistake. You could have purposely attempted to denigrate the president's position (demonstrating willful ignorance). Or you could have been flame-baiting (Fucking. With. Him. Or her.) In any case, you have been corrected. Now go on with your nasty bitch self. :hi:

[Lilith Velkor]

250. Why, thank you, sugartush!

:*

[rvablue]

205. It's SO funny to see you accusing others of "personal attacks"

Pot. Meet. Kettle.

[ClarkUSA]

223. It is clear from this thread that I have refrained from personal attacks despite much provocation

Projection... thy name is rvablue.

[rvablue]

204. Indeed, it's like he's projecting something....like:

not getting appointed as Press Secretary in the Clinton White House.....it verges on that kind of pity pary.

[rvablue]

203. It's quite obvious that you are the one who can't get over the primaries

and I'd like you to find ONE anti-Caroline or any other anti-this administration post I have made.

Are your panties in a wad because the Democratic party didn't anything to do with your hero candidate Chris "Spittle" Matthews.

And before you go spouting off on "stalking" or "DU rules" just remember what you did in the post right above that you responded to.

Anyway, Cheers! So happy that Chris Matthews decided to resign his multi million dollar contract with military contractors in order to pay that mortgage on that nice Marta's Vinarge home rather than muck up our new found Dem majority.

[ClarkUSA]

237. What's obvious is some think Hillary is above criticism & you gang up to attack DUers who disagree.

Too bad for y'all that this is a discussion forum which welcomes all spectrum of opinion on public figures, eh?

Oh, and I didn't bother to read your childish rant because I outgrew responding to such petty nonsense in grade school.

[Name removed]

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[ClarkUSA]

132. Welcome to DU. Already you're launching vicious personal attacks aimed at me, eh?

:eyes:

[Beacool]

139. True...............

IT (and there are many "ITs" on both the LW and RW blogs) always needs to be fed with a daily dose of Clinton hatred. One thing that surprised me initially during the long campaign was the similarity in the attacks that came from the left and the right, they were mirrors of each other. Ironically, Obama and Clinton were a hair away from each other on most policy issues and still are. If anything, Obama has co-opted quite a few of Hillary's proposals particualrly in the foreign policy and health care area.

:eyes:

[AtomicKitten]

146. and Hillary ran like a Rove-nasty Republican against Barack, so go figure

[greguganus]

67. Maybe Hillary got the job by putting Obama on notice. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

87. lol! More like Obama wisely co-opted a rival into following his lead on foreign policy.

;)

[The Backlash Cometh]

61. I'm just hoping she uses that super power for good and not evil.

[antigop]

62. Note to HIllary: Tech workers won't forget your support for increase in h1-b visa cap either. n/t

[hamsterjill]

64. Good for Hillary!!

Cornyn has done nothing thus far since Obama was sworn in except to continue the Republican nonsense of trying to block anything and everything that is offered just because it comes from a Democrat.

The Republicans did this same thing when Bill Clinton was in office, and it disgusts me.

Cornyn is a disgrace and I am absolutely ashamed that he is my senator. Not that *I* ever voted for him...

[tigereye]

68. it was such a pleasure to see how happy all the folks at the State Dept

were to see her! That was wild!

[Beacool]

70. Exactly!!

Politico and their innuendos can jump off a cliff.

;-)

[olkaz]

71. I'm calling BS on this.

This sounds really bizarre and over the top. I don't see Hillary talking like that.

[Forkboy]

75. I do, but it's Politico, so I'm reserving judgment.

:)

[Beacool]

80. No, she wouldn't.

She would also not refer to her husband and herself in the third person. What's this, the Godfather???????

Your little dragon is losing steam......

:P

[Forkboy]

83. Defensive much?

[Beacool]

88. Clinton bashing much?

:P

[Forkboy]

92. Let me know when puberty hits.

I said I didn't trust Politico. Only to you can someone giving Clinton the benefit of the doubt still be bashing. The difference between supporter and sycophant clearly eludes you.

And save the stupid smilies in your responses to me. It's not like you're joking, or that you like me and are just joshing around. Your hero is no phony, you shouldn't be either.

[Beacool]

93. Temper, temper.................

Why would I dislike you? I don't even know you. Posting online is one thing, real life is another. I don't dislike people in RL merely because they voted for another candidate. That's ridiculous.

Having a sense of humor does help......... Besides, it's fun bantering with people whose views are diametrically different from my own.

:eyes:

[Forkboy]

96. Yes, that's me losing my temper.

:eyes:

You really ARE a sensitive one. No wonder you think any comment about Hillary is bashing.

[Beacool]

106. Well, so I'm sensitive about those who I support and admire.

:shrug:

[Name removed]

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[Beacool]

138. It's funny how only Clinton supporters are told to "get over it".

There are plenty here who despise the Clintons. Well, too bad for them since the Clintons are two of the most influential people in the party and are not going anywhere. Other than Obama, there are no other bigger stars in the party than the Clintons.

:shrug:

[BeyondGeography]

82. Thuggish

But, then again, she's OUR thug.

It's good to have a few of those on your side.

[cooolandrew]

85. Looks like we pick up that senate seat in 6 years time. Sweet.

[Delphinus]

86. I wish I could use her on some

issues that I really care about.

[sohndrsmith]

95. I just heard about this - what the heck is this all about???

Seems almost bizarre - could the eavesdropper have not heard correctly? Even with the gumption Clinton has, this just seems awfully soap opera-ish... I don't know. I hope it's an exaggeration or taken out of context, because the alternative wouldn't be too cool.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

100. doesnt sound like her at all. this story reeks of bs.

[bottomtheweaver]

105. It sounds like gloating over her 'victory' over Caroline K.

I hope it isn't true.

[Metric System]

108. Say what? This supposed comment was made on the 20th, Caroline didn't remove herself from

consideration until the night of the 21st so Hillary couldn't have been gloating over something that didn't even happen yet. On inauguration day the general consensus was that Caroline was on her way to becoming the next junior Senator from NY.

[bottomtheweaver]

109. The deal with Paterson had obviously been struck by the time Caroline withdrew.

Thus the gloating. But as I say, I hope it isn't true.

[Metric System]

110. What deal with Paterson? What on earth are you talking about?

[sohndrsmith]

134. the one her ex law partners tried to "buy" Patterson out with perhaps?

At the very end of the article:

"Her former law firm, Boies, Schiller & Flexner, has been the largest single donor to her House campaigns, and David Boies, the senior partner at the firm, contributed $25,000 to Paterson's campaign committee on December 23, 2008, while the governor was considering Gillibrand's candidacy. Boies' son Chris, also a partner in the firm, contributed another $25,000 on the same day."

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2009/01/the_new_frontru.php


And the new york state docs that verify it:

http://www.elections.state.ny.us:8080/reports/rwservlet?cmdkey=efs_sch_report+p_filer_id=A37719+p_e_year=2009+p_freport_id=J+p_transaction_code=A

If not illegal, sure reeks of the same kind of "pay to play" we're railing Blago for. Seems a bit hypocritical, at best. Especially given these contributions were made shortly after Kennedy announced her interest in the seat.

That doesn't bother anyone? Bothers me....

[Beacool]

116. She was talking to the Repug senator who was trying to block her confirmation.

What does this have to do with Caroline????????

Besides, I doubt that what Politico reported is true, otherwise others would have heard their conversation too.

:crazy:

[nodramamama]

117. Anonymous source, no audio tape

BS.

[donna123]

119. if Hillary's a badass, good

I love gossip. :) While this may be crap, if Hillary can scare a few people, good.

[Beacool]

121. Busted!!!!!!

UPDATE: A spokesman for the National Republican Senatorial Committee emailed Madam Secretary with this:

This story about what Sen. Clinton allegedly told Sen. Cornyn is false and it’s disappointing that the Senator’s office was not contacted before it was posted. Senator Cornyn has made clear, including in an op-ed in the Austin American Statesman today, that this situation had nothing to do with Senator Clinton personally, and everything to do with his long record as an advocate for transparency in government.

So much for the "thuggish" remarks. That's to say, other than the ones made here by some.........

:eyes:

[Celeborn Skywalker]

125. Many here will believe anything bad about the Clintons.

People need to get over the primaries and get over hating the Clintons.

(For the record, I was an Obama supporter in the primaries)

[Beacool]

135. Yep,

and then they tell US to get over the primaries.

:eyes:

[bigdarryl]

122. Hillary can be down right brutally NASTY

And thats not a bad thing when it comes to Washington politics.

[Gin]

123. Roberts didn't forget either on inauguration day (IMO)

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

124. Neither do we Hillary.

[AtomicKitten]

136. At the very end of Hardball yesterday,

two NY pundits said the Clintons are thrilled Paterson didn't pick Caroline, that they had been pushing for that, and that their vendetta against Caroline and Ted for having endorsed Obama at a critical time in the election is alive and well.

Wow.

[wyldwolf]

142. believe it or not, not everyone bows and scrapes to the Kennedys

[AtomicKitten]

143. and some lie about their involvement in the fiasco

Paterson Lies About Kennedy Fiasco:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01272009/news/columnists/paterson_lyin_king_of_state_152202.htm

[wyldwolf]

148. and this has what to do with Hillary?

[AtomicKitten]

150. their involvement in keeping the seat from Caroline's hands is well known

in spite of the cacophony of denial from the usual suspects ...

no worries - what goes around comes around as is being played out in polling for 2010 already.

[wyldwolf]

153. It is? Source? Link?

[AtomicKitten]

154. Why? For you to summarily dismiss?! LOL!!! Only a blind man could miss it!

We've seen these moves before:
1. Impugn the source.
2. Launch personal attack.

Thanks for playing. Drive through.

[wyldwolf]

155. so you DON'T have a source or link. Figures.

Thanks for playing. Drive through. :rofl:

[AtomicKitten]

156. I noticed you posted something from HuffPost the other day, you know

HuffPost, the link to a source you have consistently knee-jerk ridiculed and kicked to the curb.

You hypocritically pick and choose sources, and its transparent as hell. You are a sycophant through and through, and a phony one at that.

[wyldwolf]

157. funny how the left has adopted the right wing tactic of making things up and hoping they stick

I can't say you've gotten good at it, but you're sure trying.

[AtomicKitten]

158. The Clintons are political thugs. Period. And you're secretly delighted by that, aren't you?

You are transparent in your hypocrisy as part of your Clinton First mindset.

[wyldwolf]

159. waaahhh.... waaahh... AtomicKitten has no proof! Just crap pulled from her ass! waaah

Can't stay on topic. Can't stay relevant to a conversation.

[AtomicKitten]

160. Bravo! Your nasty childishness mirrors your hero's. n/t

[wyldwolf]

161. Hey! You should have taken that job offer from Limbaugh!

You're getting good at the "slinging shit and see what sticks" technique.

[AtomicKitten]

163. Oh dear. Now you've resorted to breaking DU rules. You lose. n/t

[wyldwolf]

164. you did that several posts back, dear. Here's an example:

Highly inflammatory or divisive attacks that echo the tone or substance of our political opponents are not welcome here.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

147. Paybacks are a bitch. Of couse, that goes both ways.

[AtomicKitten]

152. The Clintons' Enemies List is long and distinguished.

The Clintons demonstrated their pettiness and narcissism in going after Bill Richardson and John Lewis who committed the unforgivable sin of supporting Barack.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

162. But Obama got his ultimate revenge by making Hillary disappear in the bowels of the State Dept . . .

while the choice Middle East diplomatic roles go to Special Envoys.

Word has it she's steamed about getting hoodwinked by the Big O. Gotta hand it to the guy - he knows how to keep his friends close and his enemies even closer.

[AtomicKitten]

165. I'm just beginning to fathom his political acumen.

He's essentially neutralized her ambitions for 2012 at the same time keeping her pissing out of the tent instead of into the tent as she has shown a proclivity for doing.

I do believe the man has skills. :hi:

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

167. It's pure genius. He's doing the same thing with those pesky Rethuglicans . . .

lulling them to sleep before cutting their balls off.

Obama makes Bill Clinton look like a political amateur, and he was no slouch.

[greguganus]

228. I wonder if sales of the Hillary nut cracker will go up? n/t

[Metric System]

185. Um, it's been known since before Hillary became SOS that the Obama admin. wanted to use special

envoys. Diplomacy is back. I don't know why you insist on turning this into SOS Clinton vs. Pres. Obama.

"Word has it she's steamed about getting hoodwinked by the Big O."

Source please?

[wyldwolf]

188. the source is either her own mind or one anonymous source on DU

[AtomicKitten]

189. knee-jerking again? that's a "he" not a "she"

:rofl:

[wyldwolf]

190. starting rumors again? lol

Hey, some sources say you say lots of untrue things.

[AtomicKitten]

192. Your 24/7 defense of the indefensible has left you completely bankrupt.

You just start spewing like a lawn-sprinkler, unfortunately you often miss and get it on other people. It's fascinating to watch Clintonites reveal their true mean-spirited selves. You are doing a fine job emulating the most mean-spirited political couple, your heroes. Bravo!

[wyldwolf]

193. your constant creation of stories and "sources" have left you without a shred of credibility

Some sources say ....

[AtomicKitten]

195. your constant effort to bury the truth by impugning the source of anything you don't agree with

is duly noted ever day on these boards. You do it to anyone, everyone. You forget I used to be just like you and know EXACTLY the drill. Impugning the source is subterfuge. The truth is much bigger than you can ever hope to contain.

[Metric System]

199. So do you believe everything that has been written about, say, Caroline Kennedy?

[wyldwolf]

213. bury the truth? You invent it, don't you?

[ronnykmarshall]

249. Oh please Miss Thang.

Talk about spewing.

When there's a Clinton thread your radar goes off and the same shit come out over and over.

Sunrise, sunset, Atom Kat bitches about the Clinton's.

[AtomicKitten]

254. I see the bat signal has gone out and the day passes distributed.

[Metric System]

261. It would be nice if you'd stop treating Hillary supporters like the enemy. This comment right here,

for example, implies that we're freeper-types infiltrating DU and that we meet-up elsewhere, conspiring. Um, we're Dems and we have every right to defend a Democratic politician that we like. That shouldn't make us the enemy or be suspicious.

[AtomicKitten]

262. Is she your mother? Your significant other? Your sister?

No. She's a politician and this is a political discussion board. The day you stop defending her if she was your mom, sister, or SO is the day you and The Enforcers here start behaving like human beings. If you act like the enemy, you will be perceived as the enemy. And as long as you continue to try to white-wash history, you will be corrected.

[Metric System]

263. I seem to recall you vigorously defending Caroline Kennedy. How is that different? In fact here's a

quote from you from an earlier thread:

" I am really ashamed of any Democrat that can't treat Caroline respectfully.

I'm afraid this disrespectful behavior is becoming too common in our society as a whole..."

Different rulz or what?

[AtomicKitten]

268. Here you go:

Everything you need to know in a nutshell, SNL satire was dead on:
video: http://www.whudat.com/newsblurbs/more/a_message_from_snls_hillary_clinton_supporters_sore_loser_1680511081/

A Message From Hillary Clinton:
1. I am a sore loser.
2. My supporters are racist.
3. I have no ethical standards.

[Metric System]

269. Hilarious! I show how your statement is hypocritical and in response you post this flamebait. It

just proves you have no explanation for your inconsistency.

[Metric System]

270. Wow, so you're saying Hillary supporters are racist?!? You are completely losing it.

And sore loser? Are we talking about the same Hillary who gave a rousing speech in support of Obama at the convention and campaigned all over the country for him?

As for Hillary having no ethical standards, I assume the President disagrees with you, otherwise I can't imagine why he'd put such a person in his cabinet.

[rvablue]

208. REALLY??? What a scoop!!!

With your sources inside the administration you must keep us informed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, how cool is it to be you!

[ronnykmarshall]

230. Pass that bong baby!

That's some good shit you're smoking.

[blm]

265. Goes along with what I've heard since early 90s - Clinton wing of party vs Kennedy wing

and it keeps getting worse, apparently. I'll never forget how Bill Clinton as a Dem PRESIDENT did not want to endorse Kerry for his senate race - he WANTED to endorse the Republican candidate William Weld, who was also a legal fixer for Poppy Bush on BCCI matters.

Clinton wrote in his book that he decided to endorse Kerry for his TECHNOLOGY expertise. What a crock. Not one word that Kerry was the top senator on terrorism issues and government corruption issues. And that book came out in 2004 several months AFTER it was known that Kerry was the nominee. You would never know it by the book Clinton wrote - William Weld received several pages of glowing acknowledgements, while Kerry never received ONE SENTENCE of acknowledgement for his years of work for Democrats and our nation.

[HooptieWagon]

126. Hillary went Hanson Brothers on Cornyn? Sweet!

keeps the Pres above the fray...

[marshall]

131. He better wacch his back

And stay indoors.

[bridgit]

145. his "back", hell...his ass is already hanging out there

[bridgit]

144. Good! That's one of the sides of HRC I admire, it's over for republicans, Cornyn is himself...

a mealy-mouth and the whole lot of them need to be put on hard-tack-ground: It's Over! Get in line or be painted as an obstructionist then tagged for not doing so

[Fleshdancer]

151. If the Clintons can help TX get rid of Cornyn, I'll do whatever they ask

Please don't forget this the next time Cornyn is up for re-election Hillary!

[Amimnoch]

169. REALLY! And take Hutchinson with him!

Both of our (Texas) senators stink on Ice.

Noriega's campaign (he ran against Cornyn this past November) was probably the only campaign that I poured more money and time into that Clinton, and then President Obama's campaigns.


Really hoping to see Kay get her ass handed to her on a silver platter in 10'.. but, it's probably just wishful thinking.. No matter how much that damn party has run us into the ground the past 8 years, there's still too many Texans all too willing to remain supportive of them.

[Honeycombe8]

168. Sorry to hear that, if it's true. It's conduct unbecoming of a cabinet member...

to threaten a sitting Senator.

I hope she is more diplomatic, when it comes to foreign leaders, who are even MORE deserving of respectful discussion.

[Beacool]

171. It's not true.

Read the updated article.

;-)

[Honeycombe8]

245. I didn't think it sounded like her style. Glad to hear it. nt

[Honeycombe8]

246. I didn't think it sounded like her style. Glad to hear it. nt

[Metric System]

173. This thread is insane. Well, parts of it. Certain posters really need to seek help for their Clinton

hatred. It's beyond rational. These posters unintentionally insult Pres. Obama with some of the stuff they write too.

[AtomicKitten]

174. And some need to curb their Clinton First mentality which was rendered moot by this election. n/t

[Metric System]

175. "Clinton First" Did you get that trademarked? Oh, and WTF are you babbling on about anyway? It seems

you find it insulting and distasteful that there are some of us who actually, you know, like the Clintons and defend them. Too bad. Hillary is the Secretary of State working for Pres. Obama in his administration so I don't understand the need for this continued fighting and insults.

[AtomicKitten]

176. Keep the dream alive! Hillary is 45! That's what it's all about for some of you.

I used to be just like you (to my total disgust) defending every horrible thing they've ever done, and they've done plenty of horrible things. If this election cycle didn't open up your eyes about them, there is no hope for you. That is evident from the crossposts here and elsewhere, still visible on the internets btw.

No worries, there's always 2012. Or 2016. Or whatever.



edited for typo

[Metric System]

177. What an insulting post. And crossposts? Not from me. What I saw in this election cycle was Hillary

campaigning for Pres. Obama all over the country and giving a passionate speech at the convention. Apparently, you were still stuck in the primaries. All your post proves is that you can't stand the idea that some of us like and defend the Clintons. Get over it. Also, there's no way Hillary would challenge a sitting Democratic President, so you can rule out 2012. Finally, 2016 is too far away to even be contemplating who'd be running. But I doubt Hillary will be running in 2016 taking her age into account.

[AtomicKitten]

178. Really? I saw her total lack of graciousness, her race-baiting, her

reneging on the disposition of Florida and Michigan, her playing the victim card on and embracing Faux News, only dropping out after she ran out of states to compete in, trashing Obama nonstop for three months after she had lost any hope of victory. Just cuz.

Her spectacularly poorly run campaign is etched in history and will be remembered for what it really was, not the white-washed version you entertain in your head.

Obama has neutralized her in his magnanimous act of grace in giving her the SoS position, to keep her pissing out of the tent instead of in, not because she deserves it (she doesn't) nor is she qualified (Tuzla! Ireland Peace Process!), but because he believes in keeping his friends close and his enemies closer successfully burying her in Foggy Bottom.

And the scheming and plotting by the Clinton First fanclub remains visible on the internets, as disrespectful toward Barack as always and punctuated by a nasty undertone of racism.

That's what you are defending. What a legacy!

[Beacool]

179. You really got to get a grip.

Hillary and Obama campaigned for president. Obama got the nomination. End of story.

So much drama!!!

:eyes:

BTW, your assessment of why Obama picked her as SOS is so bogus that it's nothing short of laughable.

:crazy:

[AtomicKitten]

180. It's understandable that your distorted version of reality is the only way it's palatable for you.

[Beacool]

181. I think that you meant YOUR distorted view..........

You say potato, I say potatoe..........

:shrug:

[AtomicKitten]

182. Google stands between your version of reality and the truth. n/t

[Beacool]

183. History is subjective.

You see it one way, others see it differently. Besides, there's a lot of that is not out there in the public. Do you really think that those who never warmed up to Obama only did so because he defeated Hillary? The coin has two sides........

;)

[AtomicKitten]

186. There isn't an ounce of truthful introspection from some of you, and the absolute denial

of what transpired this election is just the tip of the iceberg. For instance, you clearly have no clue that history will remember that the first black Democratic president's primary opponent race-baited and worse. You also don't seem to understand that that is painfully offensive to many Democrats.

The Clintons are not nice people. They were less than helpful to John Kerry in 2004. They threw childish hissyfits when people gravitated to and endorsed Barack, in no small measure due to their appalling behavior in the primary. They were part of the smear campaign against Caroline Kennedy, the daughter of a slain president.

Yet many of you remain in denial. Or least pretend to, because coincidentally today I got an email with some pretty awful shit on this subject; the disrespect continues for our president from people that still crosspost here (no worries, haters, I would be rightfully bounced if I named names).

Suffice to say, this whole ugly mess got on my last nerve today, and one of the schisms on these boards is understanding why. Moving on is in progress, but every once in a while the denial of the truth is just too tough to swallow silently.

edited for typo(s)

[wyldwolf]

194. some sources say you have an issue with truth

[AtomicKitten]

196. Truth isn't something you can even hope to obfuscate with your blind allegiance.

But we fully expect you to keep banging your head against the wall trying.

[wyldwolf]

212. you have a link to some anonymous source, huh?

[ronnykmarshall]

231. and same goes with blind hatred.

[Metric System]

197. Hey did you hear and see the crowds reaction to the Clintons on inauguration day? Or was that just

Clintonites on the production team piping in fake noise? Like I've said, I think it's you who is living in an alternate reality. And clearly our President thinks well of Hillary, otherwise he wouldn't have named her SOS. Oh, but you'll respond by saying that he only picked her so as to banish her to the State Dept. yada, yada, yada. And then I'll laugh at your post.

[Beacool]

198. Denial? No, I don't think so.

What you see as race baiting some of us see as a candidate playing the race card against a former president who was up to that point beloved in the AA community while being aided and abetted by the media who hoisted their candidate of choice over their shoulders without much vetting.

Look, we can rehash the primaries for the next 4 years but what's the point?

As for the Clintons not being nice people, you obviously don't know them. Since I do, I beg to differ.

Have a nice night........

;-)

[AtomicKitten]

256. That's right, protect their race-baiting asses, and accuse Obama of playing the race card.

We expect nothing but disgustingly outrageous and absurd propaganda to come from you and your daypass-trippin' friends posting here as the enforcers of a lie.

Sadly and embarrassingly for you, the truth is and will always be out there and we Democrats will be sure to correct you as many times as it takes.

The Nation: Olbermann Condems Clinton's Baiting:
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/state_of_change/297965

68% of White Voters Say Clinton Race-Baited:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4219840

Clinton Accolytes' Racist Attacks:
http://blackstarnews.com/?c=117&a=4012]

Hillary Clinton's Disgraceful Campaign: Racism and Hypocrisy:
http://blackstarnews.com/?c=135&a=4470

Democratic Superdelegate Reports Racist Strategy from Clinton Camp:
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/topstories/index.ssf/2008/06/andrews_says_he_heard_racist_s.html

Clinton Courted Racists in Pennsylvania Primary:
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/lindorff/089



Clinton Surrogate Says Obama is from Somalia:
http://www.americablog.com/2008/02/clinton-surrogate-says-obama-is-really.html

hillaryclinton. com Spreading Obama=Muslim smears and Other Racism:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/14/112126/498/436/476539

[Metric System]

184. Wow, explosive cyberspace diarrhea! And primary rehashing too! You sound unhinged, and that's

putting it kindly. You know, you're among a minority who think she isn't qualified to be Secretary of State. It's one thing to think someone else would be a better pick, but saying she's unqualified is out of line and downright delusional.

God, I feel like I'm back in the primaries, and I am soooo past that now. Obama is President, Hillary is SOS and I'm content with what he has done so far. This rehashing is unproductive and it's something I'm going to try to avoid because there's so much better to look forward to now that the Bus era is over.

[AtomicKitten]

187. stay klassy

[rvablue]

211. That would be classy and your misspelling of the word only shows

how far you are from learning the meaning of it.

Maybe I could direct you to "President Barack Obama" and "Secretary Hillary Clinton" for some lessons?

[AtomicKitten]

253. and the sarcasm goes right over your head

whooooosh!

[rvablue]

210. Is your objective to stir upset?

I voted for Hillary in the primary.

If she ran against our sitting Democratic president, I think 99% of the people who voted like me would be upset about it.

And, frankly, I cannot envision her as a candidate in 2016.

Get over your Hillary hate. Because history is going to prove that you are never going to have a satisfactory place to put it. She's SoS. REST.

[rvablue]

209. Yes, in insulting the SoS Clinton at this very early stage, it is dissing the Obama administration,

what I find curious, however, is that those who will not tolerate one word of criticism of the Obama admin., (which really I have NONE at this point) whether it be Michelle's dress or a new appointment in a field in which the poster has NO expertise, have ZERO when it comes to Hillary.

It's very, very, very, very curious.

Where are they? They are usually just so EXTREMELY loud in defense of Obama's decisions and actions.

But when it comes to Hillary. IT'S CRICKETS. Shhhhhh.....we might miss them chiming in for sec.

ed:typo

[noiretextatique]

220. they are dupes

swallowed the rw noise machine about the clintons hook, line and sinker.

[AtomicKitten]

260. so I guess that makes you a chump

The Clintons have provided plenty of material to hate, and that is entirely their fault. The fact that some of you are fine with the race-baiting they did speaks to a lack of character and explains why people like you glom onto people like the Clintons.

Rx for your denial: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8140552&mesg_id=8150000

[x-g.o.p.er]

200. Neither does rock and roll, according to Bob Seger

Come back baby, rock and roll never forgets!!

[PresidentObama]

201. I like how this has turned into a Clinton attack thread. Cornyn deserved it.

Plus how can anyone verify this is true?

The GOP (NRSC) is denying it.

[Metric System]

202. And you can bet if it was true, they'd be using it to their advantage. Like I said upthread, we're

supposed to believe that this "source" only heard that line and nothing else before or after it? How about some context? Surely, this "source" wasn't lucky enough to overhear the conversation just while that line was uttered.

[PresidentObama]

221. Wasn't the source from Politico? How reliable, huh?

Some people here want to attack the Clintons no matter the source.

Plus even if it were true, and I don't know if it is, I can't say that Cornyn didn't deserve that treatment.

[izzybeans]

214. I don't doubt she had choice words, but I don't believe that our SOS talks like a mobster.

It's politico so I'll take it with a grain of made up salt.

I'm sure they mean Republican sources rather than "eagle-eyed".

Please tell me Hillary doesn't talk like a Blagojevich.

[Beacool]

216. Politico is just trying to make trouble.

Read the article, they updated it. Cornyn's office denies Politico's coverage is accurate. Hillary would not threaten a fellow senator, let alone talk about herself and Bill in third person. It's all B.S.

:eyes:

[calimary]

219. I think everybody on his side oughta get this kind of smackdown.

They also need to be reminded (since they evidently didn't learn the lesson of last November) that VOTERS DON'T FORGET, EITHER. Elections have consequences, cornyn. So pick up your bookbag and your lunchbox and go to the back of the room, sit down over there in the corner, AND SHUT THE FUCK UP.

[Jennicut]

225. Hey I posted this because I like Hillary.

Who knows if it was true but Cornyn and other Rethugs will not be able to walk all over her. She is a tough lady. She has left the rivalry with Barack Obama behind and we should too. I did not vote for her in the primaries but I am happy she is our SoS, she will do a great job in my opinion.

[PresidentObama]

227. Agreed!! The source is questionable (Politico) but even if true, Cornyn deserved it.

Those attacking Hillary on this thread, it must mean you're defending Cornyn.

And believing questionable sources like Politico.

Double negative.

Good thing President Obama and Secretary Clinton are both class acts!

[PBS Poll-435]

239. This is the new "I want to create a thread that never dies"

[Starry Messenger]

242. Maybe we could put it together with the cheese sammich war raging in GD.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4923250

[PBS Poll-435]

243. That one looks like it has staying-power

Thanks for the link!

:toast:

[Starry Messenger]

244. You're welcome!

;)

[Jennicut]

252. I have never had a post that got more then 80 replies

I am shocked actually.

[SIMPLYB1980]

251. God I'm glad I stayed out of this thread,

But I just had to post.

[greguganus]

264. me too. n/t

[leftofthedial]

255. Don't worry Cornyn.

they also never learn.

[Metric System]

257. So you believe this BS? Ugh.

[leftofthedial]

258. which BS?

Ugh.

[Metric System]

259. This Politico story about what Hillary supposedly said to Cornyn.

[leftofthedial]

272. Hell. I don't even really care about that.

I was just being a smart ass about how I don't think that either Hillary or Bill takes the right lessons from their mistakes and failures.

[Nurgel]

266. yay!

go Hillary!! :D

[Ms. Mary]

267. Smackdown!

Hillary is great at the smackdown, and one liners too! I actually came here to see if I could find any Hillary supporters and invite them to a really cool forum that I belong to. We also welcome Obama supporters, we are NOT however a debate forum! We figured there were enough of those on the web and we needed someplace to discuss politics in a rational nature. We have less than nothing to offer to conservatives! As a matter of fact, I was banned yesterday at A HILLARY FORUM, for nailing Sarah Palin on her horrific policies and hatred of animals. Her latest effort to eradicate Beluga whales is pretty much the last straw for me!! How some of these supposed Hillary supporters can jump on the conservative bandwagon is beyond me! So, if it sounds like you would be interested in a place to discuss the SoS activities and news, come on by and check us out! We'd love to have some new peeps to converse with, just keep in mind, we are NOT a debate forum, just informational and fun!

http://www.pantsuitpolitics.net

[MADem]

271. It's a great story, but I think it might be just a story.

"Sources say" type stuff. There's an update to the original assertion offered by Cornyn's people, that reads as follows:

This story about what Sen. Clinton allegedly told Sen. Cornyn is false and it’s disappointing that the Senator’s office was not contacted before it was posted. Senator Cornyn has made clear, including in an op-ed in the Austin American Statesman today, that this situation had nothing to do with Senator Clinton personally, and everything to do with his long record as an advocate for transparency in government.

I'd love it to be true, but I don't think it is. Probably someone saw them discussing the matter, and they filled in the blanks. Clinton's been around long enough to not be blabbing when there are strangers within earshot.