Do the clintons run New York?

[angee_is_mad]

and to hell what anyone say or wants? Not being from NY, with the recent pick by paterson, it seems that way. The clintons (and shumer) have really put the slapdown on the other potential candidates.

It seems the new senator from NY definitely have a fan club and are definitely hitting the blogs heavy.

And I thought Illinois politics were crazy:hide:

[Danger Mouse]

1. New York has always had crazy politics.

If you think THIS is bad, you should see our legislature. It's horrendous. Rampant corruption and incompetence.

[Muttocracy]

3. maybe this is why we're not as outraged as people from other states

at the current circus.
:shrug:

[Danger Mouse]

4. For NY it's par for the course.

[Muttocracy]

8. on the state, county, and town levels it's a circus - an expensive one. nt

[Captain Hilts]

2. "Really put the slapdown on other candidates." I read 3 NY papers and don't see that.

What are you talking about?

[angee_is_mad]

7. Some of the other names

that had been mentioned as potential appointees. The clintons got paterson to appoint a blue dog, 1st term congresswoman from the country to be the senator of one of the most liberal states in the union.

Now that's gangster!!! I guess we can only sit back and take notes, because school is definitely in session.

[Captain Hilts]

13. I don't think they have ANY clout with Paterson. As a NYCer, he wanted someone...

with Upstate appeal. The pick is being seen widely as a feint to Upstate, which is traditionally more conservative and pro-gun to shore up HIS bid for election - remember, he wasn't elected as governor and has a tough race ahead of him.

[Raineyb]

54. I hope he doesn't think that the fact that he's from downstate will give him a pass

Because if I had to guess I'd guess that this pissed off a good number of folks down here based on the dog and pony show that was put on to visit a couple of NYC districts.

Personally, I'm not impressed.

Regards

[angee_is_mad]

67. The Field has great article

on this. The link is below:
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/

[Muttocracy]

19. so what women from upstate NY would you have picked?

given (1) the push to have a woman since there are so few female Senators, Clinton is the one being replaced, and there were multiple female candidates and (2) our other Senator, Governor, Attorney General, Comptroller, Senate majority leader, and Assembly majority leader are all from New York City or Long Island.

[angee_is_mad]

26. was hillary from upstate?

See how educational DU is. I learned something new today.

Since you are from there, why would the woman HAVE to be from upstate versus downstate? Only an upstate woman can win? Once again, I didn't know hillary was from upstate.

[Muttocracy]

29. Hillary wasn't even from NY and it was obviously a stepping stone to elsewhere

I gave my reason why it might be nice for upstate to have ONE political leader, but I don't think you read my post.

on edit - and ALL of those other leaders are men. I would have been just as happy with a male candidate, but gender was a factor in Paterson's decision. Feel free to suggest whatever men or women you thought were best qualified for this.

[sohndrsmith]

79. I'm curious, when you stress the importance of having a leader from upstate,

what does that mean to you, specifically? I keep hearing this but I can't really put a finger on what it means to those who mention it as being important. What qualities do you envision that make this something you'd prefer? NY is so varied... I don't know what this means! : )

[Raineyb]

55. I wouldn't pick one at all n/t

Sorry, but we have female representatives with more of a record who would have been much better for all of NY.

Regards

[sohndrsmith]

76. I technically don't live in Gillibrand's district anymore, but the farmhouse I

grew up in does and contains my 74 year old mother and I'm there with her several months every year, so I don't have a legal vote, but I have a reasonable opinion.

Kennedy would have been my choice....

[davidinalameda]

37. 2nd term

[leftynyc]

43. "The Clintons got paterson"???

WTF are you talking about?

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[angee_is_mad]

10. this was definitely a clintonist move

don't hate the playa, hate the game. I sit in awe.

[Captain Hilts]

16. I don't think you know dick about the politics of NYS.

Take it from someone who spends a lot of time in Utica.

[Beacool]

31. You know NY politics all the way from NC?

The Kennedys were the ones trying to put the pressure on Paterson. Other than Bloomberg, most NY politicians didn't want Caroline to be appointed to the senate seat.

:eyes:

[dionysus]

49. someone's hating on the kennedys cause CK didn't suport queen DLC!!

:rofl::rofl:

[Cha]

58. Yeah, someone who doesn't know

shit about anything except hate.

[Raineyb]

56. The pick only shows that Paterson is more concerned with pandering to upstate than

finding a representative that's good for the whole state.

I expected better from him.

Regards

[catgirl]

57. You're a class act

WTF?

[Muttocracy]

6. Since when are Clinton and Schumer automatic allies? It's much messier than that.

And I don't expect the Clintons to stay in NY for long. Hillary talked in the campaign about how much she loved her D.C. house and I remember reading they paid off that one, not the one in the NYC burbs.

She'll be traveling or in D.C., and who knows where he'll be.

NY Dem politics were not invented by the Clintons 9 years ago.

[BlueCaliDem]

23. Aren't the Clintons, Schumer, Paterson, Hillibrand, Cuomo DLCers?

That alone would make them automatic allies.

No, NY Dem politics were not invented by the Clintons, but the DLC came to life with their influence.

[Muttocracy]

24. Sometimes allies, sometimes rivals. nt

[stillcool]

50. that catchy little label...

doesn't work very well. New York has many, many mega power-brokers involved in it's politics, that have been there long before the "DLC" was ever dreamed of.

[BlueCaliDem]

69. It's not a "catchy little label". It's a wing of the Democratic Party.

It's called the Democratic Leadership Council and these names are listed as members. Go look it up and discover what their agenda is. Sometimes, ignorance really isn't bliss.

[NoPasaran]

60. Who is Hillibrand?

It's getting hard to keep track of this conspiracy theory without a scorecard.

[sohndrsmith]

77. She's the newly sworn in Senator from NY, former Congresswoman of

district 20. Attended elite private elementary school in Albany (Holy Names), and prep school at Emma Willard in ... if memory serves... Simsbury, Ct. (My best friend in grade school went there, as did a good friend who now teaches with my mother). Exclusive, good school. I would have killed to have been able to get an education there rather than the worst public school in the area (at the time).

Gillebrand then did her undergrad degree in Asian studies at Dartmouth (my brother's alma mater, one of them...I'm the lone one in my family to not have a college degree... which sucks, but there you go.) and got her JD from UCLA. She grew up in a well established political family, her father and aunt (I believe) are/were long term politicians in NY.

So vastly different than another contender that bowed out recently... what was her name again?

[paulk]

9. why the assumption that the Clintons were behind the pick

of Gillinbrand?

http://www.thealbanyproject.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=5597

find something real to get mad about

[Muttocracy]

14. surely people from other states know more than Albany journalists do... nt

[angee_is_mad]

20. Hey, I'm just awestruck

and an innocent bystander watching the show. I'm from the south and we are use to blue dogs down here, but in New York?

As far as me not knowing anything about Albany, actually I don't know shit, just that its cold as hell up there.

[Muttocracy]

22. well, if you "don't know shit" about NY politics, why are you posting as if you do? nt

[angee_is_mad]

32. I had a question

since I am not from New York. My post was a question. Since you are from NY (?) I find your comments very interesting as well as the other natives.

I appreciate you educating us non New Yorkers on things that on the surface don't make sense. At least the appointment didn't make sense to me. I'm from the south and is use to blue dogs. That's what we have to work with. We might not like it, but at least it is better than a repub (sometimes).

Some people down south tend to view New York and California as uber-liberal and when a blue dog is APPOINTED in a statewide position it is a head scratcher.

[BlueCaliDem]

73. California is NOT liberal. Sure, there are more registered Dems

than repubs, and Californians themselves are liberals, but some of our elected officials with "D" by their name are nowhere near liberal. That "New York State" and "California State" being uber-liberal" It's just a well-propagandized myth.

Speaking for California, some have been registered Repubs like Loretta Sanchez, a longtime registered Republican until they run for office. Then they turn Dem all of a sudden. Her sister, Linda, is a die-hard progressive.

Loretta supported Hillary. Linda supported Obama.

There are a LOT of Dems in congress that seem to favor pro-corporate-rule, pro-war, anti-universal health care, pro-military industrial complex, just like the repubs. They look like Dems because their voting record shows they vote with the party X-amount of time (called "How to lie with statistics"), but that's usually when the outcome of bills is already known. When it comes down to important votes - like the vote for the Iraq War Resolution - you see their true colors.

[angee_is_mad]

15. I'm awestruck, not mad

at the end of the day, she's not my senator. I just hope she won't hurt our new President too much.

Hope she don't go all MAVERICKY and shit to build up her statue and gain air time on the Sunday shows.

[Muttocracy]

21. so you're calling her Sarah Palin basically? how novel. nt

[paulk]

28. you don't know what you're talking about

[leftynyc]

45. You obviously don't know

New York or Hillary Clinton.

[sohndrsmith]

78. I don't, particularly, but I'm concerned about what looks like a quid pro quo

days after Kennedy announced (though I have no idea if the two events are related...).

From the Village Voice (once more, even though I vowed not to do it - my apologies to those who've seen this already):

Gillibrand's ..."former law firm, Boies, Schiller & Flexner, has been the largest single donor to her House campaigns, and David Boies, the senior partner at the firm, contributed $25,000 to Paterson's campaign committee on December 23, 2008, while the governor was considering Gillibrand's candidacy. Boies' son Chris, also a partner in the firm, contributed another $25,000 on the same day."

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2009/01/the_new_frontru.php

[TreasonousBastard]

11. In a way, they do...

the Clinton cash machine has benefitted every Democrat in the state, and there are numerous other ways our previous Junior Senator and her husband, the former President, collected chits all over the place ready to be cashed.

You don't really think Charlie Rangel reawlly preferred Hillary over Obama, do you? It is entirely possible that he did, but if so, he wouldn't have looked like he had a mouthful of pickles every time he mentioned her.

My Congressman was asked his preference at a town meeting, and said something to the effect of "Hillary, of course" and with the same look of having tasted or smelled something odd. Something a bit nastier than just rooting for the player on the home team.

But, the truth is that New York is big enough that no one really runs it, but some people have more influence than others.

And the real answer to your question is that the Kennedys don't mean squat here. It's not just Hillary & Co pushing her out of the way, it's that Caroline doesn't have enough people big enough and bad enough around here to organize a team and fight back.

(Besides, there's no evidence at all that she'd be an effective Senator. Or, for that matter, that she wouldn't be-- she's too much of an unknown)

[angee_is_mad]

18. Interesting

very interesting. Can't wait to see how this ends up.

[TreasonousBastard]

30. It ends short term with a bright young Senator who...

owes her soul to the Governor and will campaign with him next year when they are both up for election. As they both slipped into their jobs without being elected specifically for them, it should be a really good show.

Statewide, the Republicans are in a bit of difficulty and don't really have any stars to challenge either of them. Dunno too many upstate Republicans, but Peter King, a wingnut asshole from the House district next door, seems to be angling for a "promotion" to the Senate, and Rudy might rise from the dead to run for Governor. Other than that, don't see much doin' with the other side.

[Beacool]

34. Would it surprise you to know that Rangel was the main NY politician

pushing Hillary to run for the senate in 2000? Ask him if you ever get to talk to him.

:eyes:

[TreasonousBastard]

38. Not really. I don't remember the details, but...

Rangel is as wily as they get, and there was all that commotion when Bill, just coincidentally, got that office in Harlem. Havin' his good buddy Bill's wife as a Senator sure couldn't hurt. So, yeah, I'm ready to believe Rangel led the charge for Hillary.

Sumpin' was in the works, and I'm not gonna say nobody thought about the Presidential primaries in last year, but I'm guessing nobody thought Obama would make the splash he did and put Charlie in a bit of a bind-- his district loved Bill, but Barack was the home team.

(Nothing he couldn't handle, though.)

[MarjorieG]

40. And he'll say it's all his idea to a surprised, flattered Hillary.

[angee_is_mad]

61. He encourage Obama to run as Prez

also. What's your point?

[camera obscura]

12. I have heard that Schumer was behind the pick.

[PBS Poll-435]

17. The Clenis and Clintoris are formidable foes

I *heart* NY

[Deep13]

25. My guess: no. nt

[xchrom]

27. obama desn't seem to have any problem w/ clintonistas --

so why should paterson -- or obama supporting duers?

[Skip Intro]

64. : )

:thumbsup:

[bottomtheweaver]

33. They had no trouble running Paterson

and now that they've used him to exact their revenge on Caroline K, who made the mistake of supporting the president in the primaries, he'll probably lose his election bid in 2010. Some friends.

[PBS Poll-435]

35. ROFL

You forgot the sarcasm tag.

[Skip Intro]

65. They also made it rain right after I washed my car. They're evil, I tell ya. EVIL!!1!

:crazy:

[JVS]

36. Makes me wonder who really blew the whistle on Spitzer

[rvablue]

51. Interesting theory....

Yes, while running a presidential campaign, Hillary had her spies tracking Spitzer.

He was found to be frequenting hotel rooms with prositutues.

Hillary saw this as her chance. She squealed to the feds as to Spitzer's dalliances, knowing full well that he would have to resign, her "minion" Paterson would be appointed and she would have full control over keeping Caroline Kennedy from being seated.

You've really hit on something here.....NOT!

[BlueCaliDem]

68. Me too. Spitzer was just too anti-corporation that dawg! He had to go. n/t

[MarjorieG]

39. To varyong degress, Clinton, Schumer, Paterson did not want Kennedy. Pelosi probably Maloney.

Regardless of Kennedy's potential, learning curve, we'll never know her true merit for this, with media's role. The pushback is part of the personal decision, I bet.

[sohndrsmith]

81. I agree with your account for Clinton and Schumer, it was heavily hinted that

both favored Gillibrand (which DOESN'T imply they did anything untoward in getting the seat for her.)

I'm not so generous towards Paterson or Gillibrand, however:

Paterson I think might have been worried about a quid pro quo due to the 50K contribution from Gillibrand's major donor and ex-law firm head in late December - and chose Kennedy and suffered some serious protestation from somewhere... perhaps if there was an implied quid pro quo or pay-for-play... problem was, he'd already told Kennedy she had it and had to do a reversal, hence the confusion and clumsy Kennedy withdrawal (which I sense she was not happy about).

This is all pure speculation on my part (except for the 50K donation to Paterson on December 23rd. That bugs me.

[Metric System]

41. Not this shit again...

[PBS Poll-435]

42. Its back

And stupid as ever.

[rvablue]

52. It's so tired, isn't it? n/t

[tammywammy]

66. Apparently

Hillary's the new Rove.

LOL

[Renew Deal]

44. I don't know what you're talking about.

How did this become a Clinton conspiracy?

[Jennicut]

46. NY has problems like every state. Heck, our governor went to jail in next door CT

At least NY's ex gov escaped that. I don't get why Patterson did not pick someone with more popular appeal, like Andrew Cuomo. Gillibrand does not seem to be a good pick for the overall state of NY.

[AtomicKitten]

47. Some have suggested Clinton is squatting on the seat with this appointment.

link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=8133946

It reminds me of someone squatting on two lines in a grocery store to see which line moves first. No question this was a Blue Dog power play in NY.

On edit: This bit of nastiness certainly raised eyebrows of what went down: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3706860

[wyldwolf]

70. lol. "Some" as in one person on DU!

[PBS Poll-435]

80. Hammer. Nail. Head

nt

[AtomicKitten]

82. Funny that that came from a Clintonite, huh? The truth accidentally slips out sometimes. Oops.

[wyldwolf]

83. uh... yeah... the truth... ONE person on DU

[SIMPLYB1980]

48. Who runs Barter Town?!

:sarcasm: :eyes:

[ShortnFiery]

53. No, "Aunty" Runs BARTER TOWN!

:silly:

[Splinter Cell]

59. Does a cat have an ass?

[Skip Intro]

62. Oh, not only New York, the CLINTONS control all aspects of human life on the planet.

you already knew that tho, didn't you?

:eyes:

[Generator]

63. Nah. They run the world.

Insert evil madman's laugh. I smell a bilderburg or trilateral illuminati coming on.

[SIMPLYB1980]

71. Hey don't forget the Masons!

[wyldwolf]

72. The Clintons will be part of the plot of the next National Treasure movie

[SIMPLYB1980]

74. LMAO!

:rofl:

[Metric System]

75. Chelsea's the brains behind the operation, see. Take her down and the house of cards will fall. But

she's a crafty one, so you better got eyes in the back and the front. I'll say no more because she likely has spies all over DU. I'm posting from a proxy just in case she decides to "take care" of me for spilling the beans. Proceed cautiously.