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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 04:54 PM
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"Uppity" is back... in a different package
(Former Bush Chief of Suck)Andrew Card: Obama has brought a ‘locker room experience’ to the WH with his informal dress code.

On Thursday, the New York Times’ Sheryl Gay Stolberg wrote about how President Obama had brought “a more informal culture” to the White House, noting that he had already abandoned “an ironclad rule of the George W. Bush administration” that required a “coat and tie in the Oval Office at all times.” Later that day, former Bush White House chief of staff Andrew Card told conservative talker Michael Medved that he felt the new dress code showed a lack of “respect” for the Office of the Presidency:

CARD: I found that Ronald Reagan and both President Bushes treated the Oval Office with tremendous respect. They treated the Office of the Presidency with tremendous respect. And some of that respect was reflected in how they expected people to behave, how they expected them to dress when they walked into the symbol of freedom for the world, the Oval Office. And yes, I’m disappointed to see the casual, laissez faire, short sleeves, no shirt and tie, no jacket, kind of locker room experience that seems to be taking place in this White House and the Oval Office.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/31/card-oval-office/
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 04:55 PM
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1. Yeah, Bush treated the office of the presidency with utmost respect...
by pissing all over it.
FU Card.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 05:16 PM
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13. Well said. nt
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 07:33 PM
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29. no kidding
:grr:
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 09:20 PM
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39. Exactly nt
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volstork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 11:59 PM
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44. AND by wiping his ass
with the Constitution
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 04:57 PM
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2. Exactly the type of petty childish non-issues Obama spoke of in the inaugural
And I will not tolerate smearing of our commander in chief.
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droidamus2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 04:57 PM
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3. Yes of course
We all know that appearances are much more important than actually rolling up your sleeves and getting some actual work done. So Bush and his cronies spend 8 years pissing on the Constitution and the rights of all citizens but they 'showed respect for the presidency' because they required jackets and ties in the Oval Office.
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Still Sensible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 04:58 PM
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4. Typical bullshit... Style over Substance
It doesn't matter if we are respectful to the office, it only matters that we do all the superficial things that make it look like we are...

Take a flying hike Andy!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 05:00 PM
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7. "empty spectacle"
as Frank Rich so astutely called the whole fiasco
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 04:59 PM
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5. Well I am sorry that they aren't doing things your way buddy but guess what, HE WON
it is his administration and he will do things the way HE wants to do them. It hasn't taken him but what 11 days to at least stop your shitball from its perpetual roll down hill

He, and they, have work to do...on all parts of the government something you and "one page intelligence brief" didn't seem to concern about, clearly.

The suit and tie bit was pure theater (as was everything with your asscluster) for the base to remember how it was Reagan who started that nonsense.

and it wasn't "iron clad" either because I have seen a picture with YOU in the room (and W and Dick) and Tenet had his coat off. Hell you couldn't even get THAT right.

Shut up Card or at least "go fetch a cheeseburger or something"
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 05:00 PM
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6. I suppose taking off a jacket is more serious than torturing people.
?
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 05:01 PM
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8. At least they are not running around naked
you often wonder about those 'visitors with the free pass' to the White House.

I wonder will be possible to release all the visitors' logs to the White House (without all the black mark outs). Some of them were released.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 05:03 PM
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9. They need some new talking points. These are circa 1993. Word for word what they said
about Clinton.

And you'd think the press would call them on it. I can dream can't I?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 05:18 PM
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15. That is exactly right
the suit and tie bit was referencing Reagan AND making a point about Clinton's "behavior" in the Oval office

all politics and nothing else
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:04 PM
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24. I'm betting Obama won't be having
shoes thrown at him by a man from a country he bombed to pieces because of lies.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 05:05 PM
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10. Dignity and respect for the office, you bet'cha!


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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 05:22 PM
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17. Hey Card, "iron clad" huh? You were standing in the DAMNED ROOM
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 05:09 PM
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11. Sure, they treated the Oval Office with tremendous respect.
Just not the country, or its people, or the Constitution, or labor.... should I go on? Locker room, what an asshole.
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TTUBatfan2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 05:13 PM
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12. Apparently megalomania is considered "respect"...
I think Bush pissed all over the office of the Presidency. He treated it like he was a king, rather than treating it like an actual job. Here's what he thought about the Presidency:



Slapping the Presidential logo on his boots because he's got that big of an ego about it. Like I said, they treated it like a privilege rather than a job.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 05:20 PM
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16. Like Cheney showed respect at a concentration camp event
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 05:17 PM
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14. It's not how you feel, it's how you look... And...


:rofl:

NGU.

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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 05:44 PM
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18. Uh-huh...but chimpass putting his FEET on top of the Prez desk was OK???
There was a pic floating around DU with a pic of chimp leaning back in his chair and his feet up on the desk. Guess THAT is OK as long as it is done in a suit and tie??
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 05:51 PM
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19. Remember when Bush checked around the Oval Office for WMD's
As part of his hilarious White House joke.

While troops were in the field being killed behind his mistake?

Hilarious. And respectful...

Wasn't Card in on that joke?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 05:56 PM
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20. Video (1:41)
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 09:43 PM
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41. Mistake? Try deliberate lie!
:grr:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 05:58 PM
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21. Oh fuck andrew card and his whiney
little prissy pants. bush disgraced the office of presidency(sic) with his daily lies and card thinks if he whines enough about fucking dress code then people will forget what a little piece of shit the bushboy was.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:01 PM
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22. So it's okay to commit war crimes as long as you are properly dressed
Sure Andrew.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 09:37 PM
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40. Well put.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:02 PM
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23. A whole lotta people don't go to work in a tie and a jacket. My husband for one!
He wears nice looking business shirts and pressed khakis to his job as coordinator of programs for the homeless in New Haven to City Hall each day. If he has a more formal meeting, he brings a jacket and tie. He rides the bus to and from work each day. He brown bags his lunch. Lots of people do and I think they identify with Obama on this.

Andrew Card has lost his mind, like so many pubs who've overstayed their visit in the public eye. Goodbye Andy. It has NOT been nice knowing you...
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:07 PM
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25. I have worked in both kinds of workplaces and frankly it looks odd to be in an office IN a jacket
It would stick out as being odd. Everyone would think you were getting up to leave.

Who doesn't have a means of hanging up their jacket if they have to wear one?
Hell I see people with a permanent way of hanging their jacket in their CAR (for the commute)

Card is full of shit anyway
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Budgies Revenge Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:14 PM
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26. to be honest...
I don't care if President Obama feels the need to wander around in a purple Barney suit during his work day, as long as he gets things done in his purple Barney suit!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:16 PM
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27. little too complicated for Bush
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:25 PM
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28.  I keep thinking of that adage "Roll up your sleeves and get to work"
Edited on Sat Jan-31-09 06:26 PM by girl_interrupted
President Obama rolls up his sleeves and gets to work, bush? an empty suit

bush reminds me of those bank CEO's who get all dressed up for work in their suits, and they "work" at robbing everyone blind, then walking away with billions in golden parachutes.

I think bush's approval ratings and millions of people booing him when he left, shows what kind of "respect" voters had for him. And his abysmal legacy shows what little respect he had for this country.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 08:46 PM
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34. Remember how, during the campaign, Biden used to take off his jacket and roll up his sleeves
before he got to the podium to speak? I mean, that was such a metaphor for energy and "can do" attitude!

This whole "let's sit around in our fancy suits and do nothing" attitude has killed the repubs, let's face it. They're done, over with, finished, kaput, goodbye...
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 07:40 PM
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30. The only thing that keeps me balanced is how these Republicans acted with BC in the WH
Those uppity snobs treated Clinton like there were Arkansas hillbillies coming into DC to trash the WH.

Why should Bush respect the dead more than the living? He treated the people's Bill of Rights like TP. Why treat the building like it is filled with our ideals? Our treasure is in our people.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 08:02 PM
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31. As far as I'm concerned they can wear whatever the fuck they want.
All I care about is that they are good stewards of the country. Coats and ties don't weigh real heavy with me.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 08:03 PM
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32. Yes, appearances are more important than the substance of the work
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 08:43 PM
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33. I'll Take a POTUS w/a Nice Shirt/No Tie Over a POTUS Who Mangles Our Language Any Day
Thanks for trying, Andy.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 08:50 PM
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35. Andrew Card needs to shut the fuck up.
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traxster Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 09:14 PM
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36. They are playing on something I have heard being said...as if he won't "take care" of the place
I don't think this would be being said if a white candidate had won. What does it matter that he is more casual?

I've read stuff about whether or not the girls will destroy the house and all that stuff. Some people can't stand the fact that a black family actually lives in the White House and a black man is in the Oval Office. Why else would it matter if he wears a jacket or not? Its like they are trying to imply that it is some sort of an etiquette issue with Obama, as opposed to how Bush ran things, which seemed to be solely to blow up his own ego.

And honestly, I think Bush probably only got photographed in his suit coat so he could appear to be something he wasn't...competent.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 09:15 PM
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37. "WE won, YOU lost ... GET OVER IT"
is what you told us so now it's your turn to STFU! Anyway that's a damnable lie cause I've seen them without their jackets on ... so quit with the FUCKING LIES! :mad:
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 09:20 PM
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38. I'm guessing this is actually very good news
If the only thing they can find to whine about is a more relaxed dress code, then they've really got nothing.

And as to that code, I know I certainly get a great deal more done when I'm dressed comfortably.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 10:08 PM
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42. More work gets done in offices with shirtsleeve environments
Less bullshit
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 11:45 PM
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43. Well fortunately he won't be there to be upset by it.
What a prissy thing to say! He comes off like 13-yr. old uptight girl.
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