Fuck the Republicans...HARD

[debbierlus]

Excuse my french, but enough is a-fucking-nough.

This Kumbayah bullshit has to stop now.

Fuck every last one of the Republicans and every DINO along with them. These people are the ENEMIES of America. They are the bought & paid for leeches. They are corporate whores. They don't give a rat's ass about the people of this nation.

They are criminals.

They are thieves.

They are murderers.

You don't fix the problems of a nation by acquiescing to the people who fucking broke it in the first place. You want to change the 'tone' in Washington? Here's an idea. How about speaking the truth? How about Obama getting up every night before America (press conference, daily video) and call their asses out on their lying criminal behavior. Tell the people the consequences of what the Republicans are doing. Tell them that they are actively working to stop the recovery of this nation. Name names. Every time they send out a new lie (talking point), Obama should take the stage and slam them with the truth. Shame them. Expose them.

The American people would give him a standing ovation.

People did NOT vote for Obama to negotiate with thieves and crooks. We did not donate our money and our time for this administration to have tea and cookies with the sleaze balls who would sell their own mother for a buck. And, if Obama continues along this path for very long, it won't be a stretch to conclude that bipartisanship is nothing more then collusion, and the dems are doing nothing but playing a grotesque game of good cop/bad cop.

Enough is a FUCKING nough.

[graywarrior]

1. True

I voted for Obama so I wouldn't have to listen to another republican's BS.

[liberal N proud]

2. True

They are criminals.

They are thieves.

They are murderers.

[Occam Bandage]

3. ...

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

8. lollll

[Cali_Democrat]

9. .....

:spray:

[specimenfred1984]

13. Yep, torture is real funny, so is millions of Americans dying from no health care

You go ahead and make fun of people's suffering and act as if caring about other human beings is some sort of intellectual defect.

[Occam Bandage]

18. Diffuse rage or sociopathy. There is no middle ground. With us or against us. Dead or alive. nt

[specimenfred1984]

29. Sloganeering and obtuse insults, no difference

Further, your sarcastic pokes at peoples' suffering shows true sociopath behavior as it exhibits a complete inability to feel empathy. People are outraged for real, solid and valid reasons, there's nothing "diffuse" about it.

[Occam Bandage]

35. DSM-IV diagnostic criteria for APD:

One or more of the following are required:

1. Indifference to human suffering, as indicated by the posting of images that mock the level of general rancor displayed in an internet post.

2. Failure to conform to social norms, as indicated by sloganeering and/or obtuse insults. (n.b., there is no difference between the two indications.)

Damn. You got me dead to rights.

[nichomachus]

4. I think that's what they like n/t

[Fovea]

5. Moral Hazard

It's not just for us peons and dope smokers anymore.

I want real justice and real reform.

Take a ball peen hammer to their nuts if that is what it takes.

[Ikonoklast]

41. The Republics pay for that service.

Taking a ball peen hammer to their nuts, that is.

I see every one of those sanctimonious pricks on the vid screen and think each one has a private perversion.

[AZ Criminal JD]

44. You go do that Tiger

If you ever leave your computer.

[Fovea]

58. Thanks for giving me a new variant on the Twinkie defense.

much appreciated, Twink.

[WheelWalker]

65. Wedge Peen = Better Results

[mikelgb]

6. I wouldn't give them the pleasure

[lame54]

7. Tell us how you really feel

[Hugabear]

10. Rethugs do not deserve to have their voice heard

If it weren't for hate radio, nobody would really be hearing anything from them. It's the Goebbels of our generation, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, etc that keep the repukes in the public eye.

[damonm]

11. Unfortunately, that would be counterproductive....

as then they will play the "victim" card, and energize themselves with "look how bad the Democrats are, kicking us when we're down!" I certainly understand your impulse, and I'd be lying if I said I haven't felt it myself more than once.

But then I caught on to the sheer evil genius of Obama's plan.

Obama is killing them in a more subtle, and (IMO) MUCH more effective, way. See my post http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8159814
for how I look at it.

[specimenfred1984]

12. Repugs also torture, wiretap, conspire to commit war, cover-up, rig, falsify

retaliate and propagandize everything they ever touch. They are truly America's enemies within.

[damonm]

14. Yes, they do...

Which is why we should aid Obama's driving the Rethugs to self-immolation.

[Triana]

15. ROBBER BARONS

Always have been. Always will be.

[kennetha]

16. There are definitely certain Republican Women

I wouldn't at all mind doing that too. Not at all.

[Phx_Dem]

17. Yes.

[K Gardner]

19. You're not elevating yourself much above the "thugs" you rail at with screaming-mimi posts like this

It must be Monday.

[specimenfred1984]

31. The desired outcome is justice, not elevating ones self

If you can't see the difference between right and wrong, seek mental health help immediately.

[damonm]

34. The OP does NOT seek justice -

it seeks revenge.
Let Obama be Obama - he's already luring the Rethugs into destroying themselves, and in a Christian way, no less.
In the book of Proverbs, Chapter 25, Verses 21-22: "If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; if he is thirsty, give him water to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head, and the LORD will reward you."

How wonderfully ironic to destroy the RW with Christian principles, no?

[Phx_Dem]

47. In defense, sometimes it's you just need to vent.

[damonm]

48. There IS that...as I've said elsewhere,

I understand this impuse, and would be a liar if I said I hadn't given into it more than once.

But as a matter of policy, as the OP advocates, SOMEBODY's gotta be the grown-ups; it's pretty clear the Rethugs can't fill that bill.

[Two Americas]

60. this is politics, not religion

The goal of religion is to improve individuals, and to judge and analyze everything upon that basis.

The goal of politics is to change the conditions under which people live.

Approaching politics as though it were religion is inherently reactionary, since it can only benefit those who are already well-off if our attention is diverted away from politics and over to self-improvement - away from thinking in public terms, and over to thinking in personal terms. If it is all about individuals, and no one individual is "better" than anyone else - so therefore what people are saying should be dismissed and ignored - that precludes building any mass movement. That can only serve privilege, and promote the needs and desires of the wealthy and powerful few who control our lives.

Personalization of political issues takes many forms, including placing the personal qualities of individual politicians above political issue son importance, characterizing the political opinions of others we disagree with as "what they want," as well as a wide variety of clever and destructive methods for assassinating the character of those expressing dissent, and the tossing around of derogatory and malicious accusations such as "crazy" and "tinfoil."

Another deceptive rhetorical trick is to say "don't get me wrong, I agree with you, but not with the way you are going about it." We saw this used with devastating and malicious effect recently against GLBTQ folks and their defenders, and the community is still badly fractured by that. Fracturing the community is the goal, so that the few can intimidate the many and dominate the discussion.

We are witnessing modern "liberal" and "progressive" politics being hijacked and transformed into a mean spirited and aggressive defense of privilege and power. This now represents a greater threat than the right wing, since it is so deceptive and convoluted, and since it is always worse to be wounded in the house of your friends since you cannot see it coming as easily nor defend yourself.

Saying that "you are no better than the thugs you oppose" is a variation on an age old attack that has been used against every movement for social justice and freedom. The goal there is to portray "both sides" as equally "bad," to scare people away from the dissenters and back into the fold, and that is an obvious defense of the status quo and an assault on any opposition to entrenched wealth and power and privilege.

In the 1850's, the Abolitionists were told they were "no better" than the slave owners. The opponents of the Abolitionists said that "not all slave owners are bad" and that "not all slaves are saints."

The same argument was used against the early Labor organizers, against the Suffragettes, the Civil Rights movement and every other political movement that fought for the people.

[mvd]

20. Repukes have no right to ask for much

Really, people like McCain have nerve. The people voted for change. The Repukes wrecked the country. I think Obama has gone far enough so far in a plan to soften opposition. I support what he has done, but I hope he doesn't significantly alter the spending and targeted tax cuts. If anything, there should be more spending and help for the middle class and poor.

[Gregorian]

21. Yes, but what if their problem is that they're unconscious?

I'm beginning to think that even the worst of them actually don't really know what they're doing. Now that isn't always the case. And I can hear arguments coming from all directions. And rightly so. But just what is unconsciousness? I believe this is very important for us to see. It requires a broad perspective. A very open mind.

But just what if? Ask yourself. Do you want to solve the problem, or get even. Look at what throwing people in jail has done to decrease violence and drug use. None. As a silly example, just how many people have been saved by those stupid, noisy backup horns? None. What we need to teach is consciousness.

Now I'm not saying these people aren't evil, sick, greedy, violent, and every other thing in the book. I'm saying that it's our job to get under it and find a way to wake them the hell up. And that goes for most of us, too. This goes way beyond politics.

What I believe we have is a bunch of people operating out of dogmas. Out of methods. Out of calculation. They actually believe they're doing something good. Of course they don't. But they have duped themselves. If only that maybe the Iraq war was a means by which Bush's buddies could make BIG money. That was their goal. They did just what they set out to do. Had they been conscious, had they known just what they did, they'd be in a living hell right now. These so-called beautiful minds are just that. They never allow themselves to see the suffering they've created. They are uncconscious.


You can't punish someone into consciousness. Just like you cannot bomb the world into peace.

I don't konw what we do. But I do know that we have to start with the correct concept. Who are we dealing with? What is wrong with them? Hell, I say throw these idiots in jail. But for the sake of our future, we have to begin waking people up to reality. Because reality is liberal.

[mmonk]

22. With what? Beltway Democrats?

Love your rant.:thumbsup:

[Solomon]

23. Some people can't see past their nose.

Please let Obama continue to set them up. He's destroying their party right under their noses and you want to stop that from happening. Have some patience for goodness sake. He's only been President for less than two weeks! Let him do his thing. He's winning.

[damonm]

24. Thank you -

Exactly what I've been saying.
Save that HE's not destroying the Rethugs - he's maneuvering them into position to happily do it FOR him.

[DearAbby]

25. Oh DING DING DING DING

Awesome Rant :applause:

[damonm]

28. Great rant - if you don't think about it...

[truebrit71]

26. I concur. No more Mr. Niceguy. You don't negotiate with a bully, you smack them in the mouth...

...and if they're still standing you smack 'em again...

'Change' does not = doing what the GOP tells you..

[Dinger]

27. Woo-Hoo! Kick & Rec'd!!!

:yourock:

[Flash Bazbo]

30. How are you different from Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter or Sean Hannity?

Seriously, is this board the left version of Free Republic? I voted Obama because I'm sick of the demonization that has come to define American political discourse. Sheesh!

[damonm]

32. Wow - a REASONABLE PERSON!

I'm afraid you have no place here...:crazy:

[Flash Bazbo]

33. I am a stranger in a strange land :-D n/t

[noiretextatique]

38. you think it's "reasonable" to compare an internet poster

to the mega-whores of the rw noise machine?!?! i saw your other posts and i agree obama is roping the dopes, but i don't think the OP compares in any way to the likes of rush, coulter and hannity.

[damonm]

39. When they speak the same language in a different direction, yes.

The ONLY difference is the platform.

[noiretextatique]

40. the platform is a HUGE difference and they have been on the platform a long time

the comparison is ridiculous on its face. i understand what your mean, but let's not get stupid. rush, hannity and coulter are powerful people with the ears of a lot of people. this poster in no way compares to them.

[damonm]

43. I can't agree...

The platform is all but irrelevant. The spirit, intent, and language are key.
Would you be so quick to this argument were the platforms reversed?

I didn't think so. Hatred and venom are hatred and venom, no matter where they come from, or how wide or narrow their spread.

[noiretextatique]

51. are you fucking kidding me? hate radio is the same as an internet post?

this is getting silly...

[damonm]

53. When the language is the same, yes.

I'm sorry you can't see that.

[noiretextatique]

54. the same

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4965964

[damonm]

56. Thank you for proving my point.

Hate is hate, wherever it comes from, or whatever the platform for its distribution.
It is reprehensible, no matter the platform. Scale may be different, but intent is the same.
A 20-lb. pile of shit stinks just as badly as a 2-lb pile of shit.
But you will not be able to see this, so there is no further point in discussing the matter.

[noiretextatique]

59. you show me the equivalent of what i just posted

and rush, hannity and coulter on the democratic side of fence and i will conceded this argument. i am not talking about some fuzzy "moral equivalency" either. i mean: show me a democratic senatorial candidate who made jokes about bush or his wife? show me the equivalent, in terms of power and reach, of rush, hannity and coulter. you cannot. perhaps you are right in this sense: we need to be careful not to become like them, but honestly, per the article i posted, they are still too much in the business being them for that too be a huge concern.

[noiretextatique]

37. the poster is not paid megabucks to spread lies on TV, Radio, and in books

that's one BIG difference between this internet post and the multi-million dollar whores in your pathetic comparison.

[damonm]

42. True, but...

How does the spreading of hate and venom (from right OR Left) help the country?

Aside from making the poster feel better, how does it solve the ills of the past 30 years?

[noiretextatique]

50. it doesnt, perhaps you can share that with hannity, rush and coulter

who continue to spread it to millions of people every single day. sorry...the error in scope renders this argument illogical.

[damonm]

55. And you remain as wrong as they. Oh, well.

And I HAVE shared that with them. I still await a reply, although I'm not holding my breath.

[Name removed]

45. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[damonm]

46. From the headline, I thought you'd come around...

But there you go being reasonable again...
Welcome to DU, anyway!:)

[Flash Bazbo]

49. Just because I can think doesn't mean I can't handle a shiv when needs must. n/t

[Flash Bazbo]

57. Metaphor...

... a figure of speech in which a word or phrase literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them (as in drowning in money) ; broadly : figurative language — compare simile

Please update the Terms of Use to clearly forbid use of metaphors in discussion threads.

Thank You.

[noiretextatique]

52. yes...hannity, rush, and coulter have way more ability to influence

people than random internet posters, such as yourself. to continue to push the LIE that this poster or you or me are the same as them is utter bullshit.

[debbierlus]

71. Because I am speaking the truth...please give me a break with the bipartisan bs

The Republicans do NOT represent the American people (and neither do a hell of a lot of dems).

Don't you get that?

You can't be bipartisan with people who have ZERO interest in working with you. Look at the state of our country. The result of Republican rule and democrat acquiescence. It is a disaster.

There comes a time when you fight. When you say - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH...You stop being victims of abusers. You stand up and do what is right.

[LittleClarkie]

73. Yes, yes it is.

Welcome to Leftyfreeperville.

[sohndrsmith]

36. Very well said. I don't like (and have never liked) the blanket

"us vs. them" alive on either side, but I'm feeling more partisan than I ever thought I would - I'm angry too. I still believe that there are good people who also happen to be Republicans. I don't think many (at best) are currently holding public office, though... because the ones that are are just really making me mad.

[lwcon]

61. I'm confused by this

"People did NOT vote for Obama to negotiate with thieves and crooks. We did not donate our money and our time for this administration to have tea and cookies with the sleaze balls who would sell their own mother for a buck."

Isn't that precisely what Obama promised all along?

I understand you might have been hoping the guy in this cartoon was right... I know I am!

[Canuckistanian]

62. Didn't they lose the election?

I'm kinda fuzzy on the details, but don't winners get to choose the agenda?

Obama should act as if he did win.

[kennetha]

63. They didn't lose EVERY election. So they have some toys to play with

But they certainly lost LOTS of elections and have fewer toys to play with than we do. The only question is whether we need their toys at all or can we tell them to take their toys and shove 'em.

[Blasphemer]

64. It is very frustrating BUT

If we are right and he is wasting his time, he will figure it out quick and change course. That's the only way I can tolerate it because you are 100% correct, these people are criminals and have ZERO interest in doing what is best for the country. They are methodical and evil and they are not to be trusted. They spent Clinton's entire 8 years tearing him down and undermining his Presidency in order to install Herr Bush and his evil regime. The Clintons survived because they aren't pushovers. People didn't fall for that impeachment crap because it was obviously hypocritcal, politically motivated garbage and the GOP made fools of themselves but they still managed to get Bush into the White House. I say a) let them hang themselves by continuing to obstruct anything productive and b)nail them for all of their criminal activity. Election results notwithstanding, most people STILL don't know the depths of their evil. If they are not fully exposed, they will rise again only better disguised next time.

[Skittles]

66. PREACH IT, SISTER

:thumbsup:

[pleah]

67. K&R !!!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[mrbarber]

68. Well, as long as were all acting like mature, thinking adults.

::sigh::

[earth mom]

69. Why aren't there a 100+ recs on this thread?! WTF?!

Has DU been invaded by rethugs? :wtf:

Because this is the BEST thread I've seen on Du in awhile! :applause:


So once more with feeling: Fuck the FUCKING Rethugs!!!!

[SidneyCarton]

70. Because the OP offers us nothing worth supporting.

Anyone can rant and rave, the question is can they govern.

[debbierlus]

74. There is a time when you stand up and say ENOUGH - that is the point of my post

There is a time to get angry.

There is a time to fight back.

There is a time to STOP the abuse of the people by the corporations.

[SidneyCarton]

76. And how will you do that.

Anger alone does not equal action, particularly not smart action.

Fighting back only matters if you can fight back in a manner that will work. Surely the grand gesture is inspiring and impressive, but throwing a pie in some CEO's face, or crashing a tractor into McDonalds does nothing substantial.

So you're angry, GOOD. So you want to fight back, VERY GOOD. So you want the abuse of the people by corporate power to stop EXCELLENT! WHAT IS YOUR PLAN? What do you want to do about all this? You're pissed off, ready and rearing to go, but where are you going?

[LittleClarkie]

77. To the cabinet for more cheetos then back to the basement

I reckon.

[SidneyCarton]

78. Frankly, I want to know.

I agree, Obama might be well advised to put more teeth into his engagement with the Right. But that said, if the OP wants this, I would like to see a strategy that goes beyond F--- them. (As far as I can tell, only Senator Vitter would really enjoy that)

[LittleClarkie]

79. But I thought it was pretty clear that we elected someone with a different mindset

He will not fuck em hard. He will try to bring the country together and find compromise between left and right.

Actually, my other post was a cheap shot, and I apologize to that person. I have no way of knowing how active they are. Posting on an internet board doesn't mean you do nothing.

But I agree that it's entirely to easy to rant to the extreme without any realistic idea of how one's goals can be accomplished. Sometimes folks seem a bit disconnected from how things actually work in the world.

[SidneyCarton]

80. Exactly.

Obama made a point of stating that he is here to bring the country together, not to rip it apart, he is going to try to defuse the bomb, not blow it up. Unfortunately, it seems that we have become addicted to the idea of needing cathartic conflict, if there is no battle, no rush to the barricades, no bloodshed, no sound and fury (regardless of what it signifies) then obviously nothing is getting done. What we fail to understand is that the noise is usually just noise, and what is really going on goes on in lengthy, boring and monotonous negociations behind closed doors while we all stare at the theatre. Obama is trying to open the doors, and show us what's really going on, unfortunately we have become accostumed to political bloodsport (nothing new here, it's kind of always been this way) and hence there are many who are dissatisfied with seeing how things are really done.

[debbierlus]

72. Because to agree with it, many would have to look at Obama and tell him his philosophy is wrong

And, they are not there yet.

YET being the operative word...

Give it a month or two.

[LittleClarkie]

75. No. Some of us just remember that freepers said the same about us

and some of us don't want to be lefty freepers.

This is not the man we elected. We elected a uniter and a moderate. He will not "fuck em hard". He will reach across the aisle. Deal with it.

[earth mom]

81. You are delusional if you think the rethugs are going to reach back across the aisle and play nice.

So deal with that when nothing changes and the status quo remains just like Edwards warned everyone about.

[LittleClarkie]

82. I didn't say that I thought they were going to reach back.

But if we wanted someone who was going to fuck Republicans hard, we elected the wrong dude.

[Still Sensible]

83. Yes, our side did win, but the 37% let's us know

how tenuous that victory was. Obviously the administration needs to get moving and come up with the right message and right delivery to turn that around. Of course, polls being what they are, if you asked "do you want a big economic stimulus plan" the yes answer would be in the high fifties or low sixties... the quoted poll simply asked do you want "this" stimulus plan. And they asked the question after four or five days of the GOP framing the public dialog and hammering small, but questionable, parts of the overall package.