Wasn't Daschle the original Pink Tutu Democrat?

[grasswire]

Back in the day when Dem leadership was regularly panned for being weak-kneed, they were called Pink Tutus. The term might have originated on Bartcop.

[leftstreet]

1. So many Pink Tutu Dems

[blm]

12. bartcop was FULL OF IT on that - He believed Clintons' support of BushInc was cagey and strategic

He also refused to note that Kerry was speaking AGAINST Bush's decision to invade Iraq loudly and consistently while Clintons and other wellknown Dems STAYED SIDED WITH BUSH, stabbing Kerry in the back nonstop from 2002-2007.

I was always a big bartcop fan till he proved he had no grasp of WHICH DEMS stuck their necks out the most against BFEE and which Dems protected the Bush bastards the most.

Look at his triumphant use of how many CRIMINALS were part of Reagan and Bush administrations - does he bother to SHARE with his audience WHO in the Dem party UNCOVERED and INVESTIGATED those crimes, risking their own lives and the lives of their families for that accountability?

No.

He lauds, instead, the Dem CRONIES of BushInc who protected BushInc the most, siding with their secrecy and privilege over our right to open government.

[AtomicKitten]

19. You are correct. I wrote a couple pieces for bartcop years ago and spoke with him.

I had forgotten the history, but you are absolutely correct in this assessment. Funny (in a sad way) that the source of counsel remains virtually unscathed by his wrongness.

[Sebastian Doyle]

2. Yeah, he was fairly pathetic as Senate Majority leader

But then, so is Reid.

[ecstatic]

3. .

:popcorn:

[AtomicKitten]

4. the worst of the worst:

[nomorenomore08]

7. Wow... Just wow... That is like serious bad dream material right there.

:scared:

[blm]

14. Did Lieberman take a position in support of Bush 2001-7 that differed from Bill and Hillary Clinton?

Nope.

[AtomicKitten]

15. You are correct, and I think if truth be told we'd see a swath of pink tutus in Congress. n/t

[cherish44]

5. haha I love Bartcop

He's right about the Dems being spineless. Daschle was a big time ankle grabber for the GOP. I'm not really very happy with all this bipartisan stuff that Obama is trying. I can't tell if it's all part of his plan to expose the GOP for the obstinate tools they are or if he's truly holding on to the misguided belief that they'll work with him.

[AllentownJake]

6. Yep Daschle bent over backwards for Bush

and was repaid with them running a smear campaign against him in South Dakota costing him his seat in 2004.

[grasswire]

10. it was, indeed, a dirty campaign

I wouldn't be surprised to find out it was stolen from him.

[blm]

13. Daschle wrongfully did whatever Bill Clinton ADVISED him to do. Too many DC Dems believed Bill.

Bill was Bush's best operative during the entire war on terror - Iraq war buildup.

Daschle and Blair believed Bill Clinton wouldn't lie to them about the need to invade Iraq.

[MadHound]

8. Yes he was,

But now he's golden, simply because he has been touched by the sainted Obama:eyes:

[greguganus]

9. We are not worthy! n/t

[AtomicKitten]

16. "touched by the sainted Obama" ----> bitter much?

[MadHound]

21. Bitter, no,

After all, I voted for Obama

However I am realistic, which is something that many Obama supporters aren't. The criticism from the right, that Obama is considered by many to be a god, has some real basis in fact. One has but to look around here to see that.

The reality is that Obama is simply another politician, with all the good and bad that it brings. Furthermore, he's demonstrating daily that he's willing to be part of the two party/same corporate master system of government. Frankly I predict much howling and gnashing of teeth by many of the Obama fans when they figure out that yes indeed, he's a mere mortal politician.

[AtomicKitten]

23. Of course he's a politician, but I think you are giving people too little credit.

Having evolved from being a full-on Clinton sycophant (what you describe) for the first few years of my tenure here, I see people being realistic and expressing opinions including opposition on issues that are dear to them.

I disagree with Obama on Afghanistan, his healthcare insurance program, gay marriage, seemingly (?) kowtowing to the GOP, and several of his appointments. But I like the guy. He is brilliant and skillful. Saying so doesn't contradict the points I disagree with him on, in fact, underscores my point.

It seems you voted for the lesser of two evils and are viewing this through a prism of cynicism in judging others. With the flaming pile 'o shit Obama was handed, I think people see him much more clearly than you give them credit for.

edited for spelling

[Tatiana]

11. There was a huge discussion over whether to use the term "pink tutus" a while back.

I thought the consensus was that the phrase was offensive to gay people, but I may be wrong.

Either way, yes, Daschle was one of the original pink tutus.

[ronnykmarshall]

29. It's totally offensive.

But that doesn't really matter around here.

[AngryAmish]

17. I think this is homophobic

[Marrah_G]

18. It is a homophobic label in my opinion.

Especially considering how strong ballerina's legs are.

It's meant to paint them as feminine (weak) men. Or more bluntly: the gay stereo-type.

Just my humble opinion.

[grantcart]

25. I humbly agree

[truebrit71]

20. Yes. He was the leader ot the pink-tutu wearers...

He was marginally not wuite as shitty as Harry Reid...only marginally mind you....

[blm]

22. not really - he acted as the last Dem President ADVISED. I think Bill was working FOR BushInc

and it was his job to bring DC Democrats along, as well as Tony Blair.

Daschle gets the blame for believing Bill was being truthful about the dangers of Iraq.

[ShortnFiery]

24. I hope they don't ALL have "an opus dei" at their disposal.

:silly:

[firedupdem]

26. I remember somebody using this term and being told it was

quite homophobic. I'm surprised to see it here.

[AspenRose]

27. That's my understanding of the term as well

[ronnykmarshall]

30. I'm not surprised at all.

[Stinky The Clown]

28. That's how Bartcop saw him .......

Him, Kerry, Edwards and one other .......

[blm]

33. but not Clinton who ADVISED Dems to support Bush on Iraq, just as he advised Tony Blair.

But, bart calls that being 'strategic' and thinks that's awesome and brlliant of Bill and Hillary.

When Kerry spoke out against Bush's decision to go to war, bart didn't notice and kept mocking Kerry when it was Bill and Hillary who stayed sided with Bush...well, how was THAT helpful to the 2004 Dem nominee?

bart USES Kerry's YEARS of work uncovering, investigating and exposing the corruption of Reagan, Bush and officials in the administration and uses Kerry's work to make himself sound informed of the BFEE's thuggery and with NO ACKNOWLEDGEMENT that it was Kerry's efforts that put that information in the public record, and then he turns around and lets CLINTON off the hook for their years of PROTECTING Bush - and he's even attacked Robert Parry for pointing out Clinton's curious deepsixing of serious matters that should have seen Bush and his cronies jailed long ago.

Who REALLY fought the BFEE the last 35 years? Not Clintons. Few have,,,,and the Dem lawmaker who uncovered the most government corruption (especially of the Bushes) in modern history is still.....John Kerry.

[Two Americas]

31. the "pc" trap

Should I mention that a malicious stereotype is being perpetuated on this thread, I run the risk of being called "the pc police" and people might say "now what are we supposed to avoid saying?? I can't keep track anymore! It seems that people are offended by everything!"

Ironically, it is that reaction that is the actual suppression of a free and open discussion. When people say those things, they are demanding freedom to express one opinion and not be challenged or contradicted. By mocking anyone expressing a different opinion, and claiming that they are "the pc police" and therefore trying to silence them, they can successfully achieve that which they are accusing others of doing.

The dominant group, both here and in the general population - young, white, male, hetero, upscale - can express and enforce that dominance and the associated ideas that support the preservation of that dominance and the privilege that dominance grants in ways that can be portrayed as innocent, benign, and mainstream. We are too believe that if something is common and pervasive, popular and widespread, then it must be unassailable and neutral.

I would think that if mainstream thinking, and the ideas that are common among the dominant group and shared by those from or identifying with the dominant group, were in fact benign, innocent, and good, that we would see this reflected in a healthy and humane society that was just and where all had equal opportunity and protection. But we know that this is not true.

People are criticizing Daschle for kissing up to power, for compromising with the opposition, for going along to get along, for failing to fight back against injustice and inequality and against those who would deny justice and equality to people.

By all means, let's discuss weak and ineffective Democratic leaders. I would suggest that we start the discussion with this assertion: the weak leadership in the Democratic party perfectly reflects and represents our weakness, and our weakness is perfectly illustrated by the use of a malicious stereotype, and by our resistance to examining and discussing that.

Do we have the courage to go there? If not, I think it is hypocritical to continue to complain about the leadership.

[OnyxCollie]

32. Daschle also believed Dr. Bruce Ivins sent him anthrax.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3438278

Interesting man.