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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 10:13 AM Original message |
The Republicans Big Lie That Democrats Sell: Senate Democrats Need 60 Votes To Pass Legislation |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
1. I agree. Make the Republicans do it. Call their bluff and/or make them look obstructionist. nt |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
19. +1 |
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CanonRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
2. Actually, we only need 50 |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. You're Right! Vice-President Biden can vote to break a tie in the Senate! |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 10:19 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. But he won't be here for the vote, he is going to Germany. |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
59. That's only if 100 vote |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
3. Obama and the dems are going to learn what Clinton learned: You can't make deals with these fuckers. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
24. Clinton learned this when? |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. After all that, they still hated him. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Their hatred was viseral, irrational and intense |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #34 |
57. Of course they still hated him... |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
36. will they? |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
4. Let 'em filibuster Reid. Make them show themselves in public. |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
7. The senate is one BIG CLUB. Must not ruffle the feathers of |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
8. Upordownvote! UpordownVote! |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
9. Explains why Reid isn't rushing to fight for Franken, and agreed to the Judd Gregg "GOP seat swap" |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #9 |
52. Reid had no real say in who replaces Gregg |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
10. Did Senators Cave In And Give Up When Southern Dems Filibustered Against the 1964 Civil Right Act? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #10 |
53. Different rules then |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
11. We don't have a senate leader to do such, but o well, there's no support in getting rid |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. If true, it's up to Obama to lean on him and other Senators like LBJ did |
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global1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
13. Bring In The Cots To The Senate Floor And Let Them Spew At The Mouth...... |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 10:56 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Bingo! Now that's what leaders do! |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
14. kick |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
16. Unfuckingbelievable isn't it. nt |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
17. filibusters don't work the way they used to, you don't talk day and night or block other business |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. The Democrats can require opponents to actually filibuster on the Senate floor |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. but they're not going to because doing so would backfire |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. "The blame will fall on Democrats" if Republicans filibuster???!!!! |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. You're naieve if you don't think this would be spun against the Democrats |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Really? Republicans would attack Democrats for doing something right? How shocking! |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #26 |
44. Message discipline would prevent this from happening, repeated - first - easy to understand terms |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I agree with you Many Democrats are really poor propagandists |
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Hokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #20 |
58. I do not think you are correct |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Read post #51 and check out the link on filibusters |
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Hokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Thanks |
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Hokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. I would talk about it first |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Without boldness nothing will change |
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Hokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. I would not be surprised to see Obama force new leadership |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Why? (nt) |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. Reid is weak. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
47. is he weaker than Byrd or LBJ? |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
18. The Republicans NEVER had 60 votes during the Bush reign.... |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. The Democrats never filibustered so the Republicans never had to invoke cloture |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. Never? Then what were those 18 cloture votes in 2005? |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
23. The Republicans have been using this tactic since at least 1994! |
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Life Long Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
25. 200,000 bills to choose from - 1 is chosen, leaving how many? |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
27. Fun facts: cloture motions in 2005 v. 2009 |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. And how many times were cloture motions voted on to stop actual filibusters? |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. none because no one is going to stop senate business cold when there is another way |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. The Republicans Only Have "another way" If Democrats Give Them That Way |
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Ioo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
28. Reid is a UBER coward... all you have to do is threaten, and he rolls over. |
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MarjorieG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
37. Amendments diferent? Any way to resurrect the $25B in infrastructure? |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Yes there is. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
42. A detailed explanation of how filibusters and cloture work |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Thanks for the link |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #43 |
54. The rules haven't changed since. You might want to actually read it; |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
46. I agree with this |
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Life Long Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
48. Obama is wearing them out. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-04-09 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
49. Exactly. Make them stand in lock step with Rush Limpballs. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-06-09 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
50. Why are Democrats still spreading this b.s. about needing 60 votes in the Senate |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 10:27 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Because Democrats understand Senate rules better than you do? nt |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. shhhhh, don't spoil it for them n/t |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Sorry. I really didn't mean to undermine the myth! |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
51. And Democrats always have the so-called "nuclear option" |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-11-09 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
56. No kidding! |
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