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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:12 PM
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I don't want to be goddamned "fired up" any more.
I don't want to be excited, pumped up, feeling good, getting my "O" on, or feeling as if I can any more. I have no interest in being focus grouped, outsourced, triangulated or used as a counterweight for center-right policies. My desire to have my ass and the asses of people about whom I care trampled in the name of post-partisanship, bi-partisanship or non-partisanship is at an all-time low.

Damn me, I'm a partisan liberal.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:14 PM
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1. Listening to Obama. I think he's had enough of being Bi-Partisan
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:15 PM
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2. may it be so. n/t
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:25 PM
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15. This is the impression I'm getting it and a lot of the Dems seem tired of it too.
Fuck Bi-partisanship!!!
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:51 PM
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25. At least he can say he tried to be bipartisan & was soundly rejected
He is providing himself a club to beat the Republicans with for a long, long time.
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TTUBatfan2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:16 PM
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3. So let me get this straight...
You think the speech he just delivered to House Democrats was "center-right, post-partisan, bi-partisan, and/or non-partisan"? The only thing I got out of that speech was a major smackdown of the Republicans and very much a repudiation of their policies.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:18 PM
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6. didn't hear it.
I've seen it mentioned on DU. We'll see what comes of it.
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TTUBatfan2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:20 PM
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9. You should try to catch it on YouTube when it shows up...
He was, in a word, pissed at the Republicans. He said he's all for listening to other ideas than his own, but that he does NOT want to hear "the same old policies of the last 8 years" that have run the country into the ground. In other words, he's all for NEW ideas from the Republicans. Too bad for those morons they keep offering up the same old shit...corporate tax cuts out the wazzoo.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:23 PM
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13. let me see actions.
In all honesty, this isn't fair to Obama. It's my B. Clinton hangover, still giving me a headache.

Still, I need to see the actions.
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mascarax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:26 PM
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17. If he's looking for new ideas, then WHY is he talking to Republicans?!
I haven't seen his speech yet but will look for it.

This "bipartisan" strategy needs to stop. Now. Because we don't have time to waste on these people who are are more interested in their talking points than the people in this country.

I thought there was going to be a PAC/Move On-based strategy to try to shame the so-called semi-decent Repubs to back this bill. Which, by the way, I agree with Thom Hartman on -- rename the bloody thing the JOBS BILL and stop with "economic stimulus" and focus on "we're trying to create jobs and help everyone in this country -- while the Republicans are NOT", etc.
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:39 PM
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20. Read the transcript below. He blistered the GOP's ass.
It’s great to be here with so many friends. I’m glad to see the House Democratic Caucus is getting by just fine without my Chief of Staff. I want to thank John Larson for inviting me here tonight. This is John’s first conference as Chairman of the Democratic Caucus, so we’re both new at this.

I want to acknowledge the great Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, who has proven to be an extraordinary leader for the American people. I want to thank Nancy, Steny Hoyer, Jim Clyburn and the entire caucus for your hard work in passing an economic recovery plan that is so desperately needed for our country.

You acted with a discipline that matches the urgency and gravity of the crisis we face. Because you know what’s at stake. Every weekend you go home to your districts and you see factories that are closing and small businesses shutting their doors. You hear from families losing their homes; students that can’t pay tuition; seniors who worry about whether they can retire with dignity, or see their kids and grandkids lead the better life that must be America’s promise.

So you went to work, and you did your job. For that, you have my appreciation and admiration. As we meet here tonight, we know there is more work to be done. The Senate is still acting. And after it has its final vote, we will still need to resolve differences between the House and Senate bills. I urge you to complete that work without delay.

Look, I value the constructive criticism and healthy debate that is a foundation of American democracy. I don’t think any of us have cornered the market on wisdom, or that good ideas are the province of any party. The American people know that our challenges are great. They’re not expecting Democratic solutions or Republican solutions – they want American solutions. And I have said that to those who have criticized the plan.

But what I have also said is – don’t come to table with the same tired arguments and worn ideas that helped create this crisis.

We’re not going to get relief by turning back to the very same policies that in eight short years doubled the national debt and threw our economy into a tailspin. We can’t embrace the losing formula that offers more tax cuts as the only answer to every problem we face, while ignoring critical challenges like our addiction to foreign oil, the soaring cost of health care, failing schools and crumbling bridges, roads and levees. I don’t care whether you’re driving a hybrid or an SUV – if you’re headed for a cliff, you have to change direction.

The American people are watching. They did not send us here to get bogged down with the same old delay and distractions. They did not vote for the false theories of the past. They did not vote for the status quo – they sent us here to bring change, and we owe it to them to act. This is the moment for leadership that matches the great test of our time.

If we do not move swiftly to sign the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act into law, an economy that is in crisis will be faced with catastrophe. Millions more Americans will lose their jobs. Home will be lost. Families will go without health care. Our crippling dependence on foreign oil will continue. That is the price of inaction.

This isn’t some abstract debate. Last week, we learned that many of America’s largest corporations are planning to layoff tens off tens of thousands of workers. Today, we learned that last week, the number of new unemployment claims jumped to 626,000. And tomorrow, we’re expecting another dismal jobs report on top of the 2.6 million jobs we lost last year.

For you, those aren’t statistics. They are constituents you know and families that you care about. Now, I believe that legislation of such magnitude deserves the scrutiny that it’s received, and you will get another chance to vote for this bill in the days to come. But I urge all of us to not make the perfect the enemy of the absolutely necessary. The scale and scope of this plan is right.

So just as past generations of Americans have done in trying times, we can and must turn this moment of challenge into one of opportunity. The plan that you’ve passed has at its core a simple idea: let’s put Americans to work doing the work that America needs done.

This plan will save or create over three million jobs – almost all of them in the private sector.

This plan will put people to work rebuilding our crumbling roads and bridges; our dangerously deficient dams and levees.

This plan will put people to work modernizing our health care system, not only saving us billions of dollars, but countless lives.

This plan will put people to work renovating more than 10,000 schools, giving millions of children the chance to learn in 21st century classrooms, libraries, and labs – and to all the scientists in the room today, you know what that means for America’s future.

This plan will provide sensible tax relief for the struggling middle-class, unemployment insurance and continued health care coverage for those who’ve lost their jobs, and it will help prevent our states and local communities from laying off firefighters, teachers, and police.

Finally, this plan will begin to end the tyranny of oil in our time. It doubles our capacity to generate alternative sources of energy like wind, solar, and biofuels in three years. It saves taxpayers billions of dollars by making federal buildings more energy efficient, and it saves the average working family hundreds on their energy bills. After decades of empty rhetoric, that is the down payment that we need on energy independence.

You know, there’s a lot about running for President that is difficult – I don’t miss sleeping in a different bed every night, or not seeing my kids as much as I’d like. But the best thing about being a candidate is that you get to see the country, and you get to know the character of the American people.

Over the last two years, I visited almost all fifty states. I’ve been in so many of your districts. I’ve passed through towns and cities, farms and factories. I know that people are hurting. I’ve heard their stories, and I’ve sensed their deep frustration. But I also know that these struggles have not diminished the strength and decency of the American people.

We hold within our hands the capacity to do great things on their behalf. It starts with this economic recovery plan. And soon, we will take on big issues like addressing the foreclosure issue, passing a budget, tackling our fiscal problems, fixing financial regulation and securing our country. We must not approach these challenges as Democrats – we must overcome them as Americans. That is why we must work in a serious, substantive, and civil way to build bipartisan support for action.

I promise you that my door is open, and my Administration will consult closely with you – the peoples’ representatives – as we take on pressing priorities like energy and health care; education and infrastructure.

Already, you have made a difference. I’m pleased that in my very first days in office, I signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, to make sure that all of our daughters have the same opportunity as our sons. I signed the Children’s Health Insurance Program to provide coverage to 11 million children, and to make a down payment on comprehensive health care reform. I know it wasn’t easy – it was a long time coming, and I appreciate your hard work over several years on behalf of America’s children.

Tonight, I am confident that if we continue to work together, we can fulfill the promise of health care that is affordable for all Americans. We can create that new energy economy. We can provide a world-class education for our kids. We can unleash the talent, and innovation of the American people to compete in the 21st century. We can do all of that.

Now, we have a choice to make. Future generations will look back, and they will ask what we did when we confronted this crisis. What will they say?

Will they say that – once again – we failed to make the tough choices that lead to progress? Or will they say that this was the time that we came together, that we found our stake in one another as Americans, and that we voted for bold and aggressive action?

Together, we hold in our hands enormous responsibility. We also have an enormous opportunity.
We can write that next great chapter in American history. If we stay focused on the big picture; if we never forget the people who we are fighting for; if we represent the strength and dignity of the American people, then I know we can answer’s history’s call and renew America’s promise.

Thank you.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/02/obama_rallies_d.html
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:41 PM
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21. good in the words.
Let's see what happens in the actions.
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 10:00 PM
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27. He's been President for 17 days.
I'm going out on a limb and saying that in those 17 days he's been more than good in the words, but I respect your right to your opinion.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 10:05 PM
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29. I appreciate your respect for that right.
A question, though: at what point in this administration might we be allowed to rightfully complain about anything, in your view?
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:30 AM
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33. When you have a damned legitimate complaint.
That's when.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 12:13 AM
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30. Pretty good speech, but this is bullshit:
"Nancy Pelosi, who has proven to be an extraordinary leader for the American people"

No, she's proven to be a fucking coward willing to let criminals walk.

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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:17 PM
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4. Nicely worded rant.
:evilgrin:
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:18 PM
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5. LAME
I guess you have decided to sit out the rest of the Obama presidency. Good luck to you.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:19 PM
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erm, no.
"Sit out" isn't in my makeup. :D
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:19 PM
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7. Okay, fine, don't be fired up nt
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:19 PM
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8. I appreciate the permission. n/t
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:21 PM
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10. You are most welcome nt
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EraOfResponsibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:23 PM
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11. sooo, you're bitching about a speech YOU NEVER SAW
yeah, makes perfect sense. :eyes:
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:24 PM
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14. wasn't about the speech.
Got a long way to go in this admin, no?
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:23 PM
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12. Does this also mean you're NOT ready to go:? NT
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:25 PM
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16. "go"? go where?
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:28 PM
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18. um..... get to work? NT
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:32 PM
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19. wow. where to start?
I get my ass to work every day. I teach kids who have learning and behavior disorders.

How's your work life?
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:44 PM
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23. the bill baby, the bill......
.... i'm talking about getting to work to help get the stimulus bill passed .... I've contacted my Senators and encouraged everyone within earshot of me to do the same.

I also laughed a lot. Makes the day go by faster. ;)
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:49 PM
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24. ah!
Glad to have provided a laugh via your poorly (?) worded post. Be assured that it won't happen again. :D
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:43 PM
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22. really, I'd like for you to elaborate on this post of yours.
Please. I want to hear more.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:56 PM
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26. You're not alone. If this is how you feel imagine how those with
no job, no prospects and no income to speak of, feel. It's hard to get fired up while packing boxes to move and you don't know where you're going. It's hard to get fired up and trying not to feel sorry for yourself and you can't pay your bills, and sold everything there is to sell to keep the lights on or gas in your car. I can usually count on coming to DU for a good round of laughter. Good clean spirited humor. Not today, not lately. I've written, called and e-mailed every congressman in this state and the governor. I've left messages on Change.gov and whitehouse.gov. What else can one do?
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ogneopasno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 10:04 PM
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28. Right Fucking On.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 01:43 AM
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31. For "reaching across the aisle in the spirit of bi-partisanship",
don't just think of a few dozen senators, or a few hundred congressmen (most are wel beyond redemption). Instead, think of the ~60 million Americans who DIDN'T vote for Obama: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008

That, I believe, is whom he's aiming at. And YES, he should be stepping up the twenty first century equivalent of Fireside Chats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fireside_chats The technology is already in place
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On November 15th, 2008, President-Elect Barack Obama posted a YouTube video entitled "Your Weekly Address from the President-elect." <3> On the November 16th broadcast of 60 Minutes, Obama suggested that this may become a series of broadcast addresses, similar to the fireside chats, to explain his policies and upcoming actions as president. <4> And as of January 24th, 2009, his "fireside chats" have been available via podcast on the iTunes Store.
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pnorman
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 02:30 AM
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32. FDR's First Fireside Chat: The Banking Crisis
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 03:39 PM
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34. you and me both, Ulysses
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 04:33 PM
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35. right on! nt
:headbang:
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 04:48 PM
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36. He has been restricting post-partisanship to Washington.
Screw the republicans in Washington. They will never cooperate or give a damn about the people.

The post-partisanship effort needs to continue what went on in the GE. We need the support of the angry republican voters. They are the ones the congress is screwing. He should take it to them. It calls for extraordinary means. For instance, he gave a good speech, but who heard it? He needs to call a national press conference, pre-empt some time on national television. Lay it out for people. Let them convince the congress to stop dithering. Put those oratory skills that got him where he is on display.
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