Should there a be a gag order on Biden?

[Thrill]

Does he even think before he speaks sometimes?

Apparently he said earlier today, "even if we get everything we want in the Stimulus, there is a 30% chance we get it wrong?"

WTF? How is this encouraging? How does this help? How are we going to get support for this with those odds? Wolf just asked Axelrod about it. And Axelrod had the biggest "WTF did he say that for" look. Said I don't know what kind of math he's using.

[ecstatic]

1. I hate to say this, but I think there should be

LOL. He's great at policy but is better behind the scenes.

[EFerrari]

2. I love Joe Biden. And Axelrod and Obama knew the hire was dangerous.

lol

[genna]

3. No. I think Joe being Joe is good for us all.

Obama said something like the reality is if we don't get this economy right, this might be a 4 year run for me.

Q: What did that contribute to the overall discussion?
A: Add some reality to what is being discussed.


I think when Joe Biden tells us, Obama is going to be tested right off the bat, he is saying really people think about this. No good will come from lying to us. Too many of us are out of work for a bull crap version of how hard it is going to be to feed ourselves.

[Window]

9. I agree Jenna.

Peace:thumbsup:

[ChiciB1]

28. Leave Joe Alone... He's Who He Is & He's GREAT! Truth, Hey A New Concept!!

As for John Edwards... Still a FAVE of mine, say what you will!!! He's paying BIG TIME and I as one who lived through something similar do UNDERSTAND how Elizabeth feels! It's just magnified much more for them, but MUCH MORE than it was for MANY, MANY Repukes who did the same and MUCH WORSE!!

John & Elizabeth are still working on issues that are extremely important to millions of forgotten people in this country!

Flame away... but it's JMHO!!

[Snotcicles]

4. Dang you, John Edwards. nt

[vaberella]

6. John Edwards was a fave of mine. Damn if he didn't do his deed this admin

would be supermodels. Seriously, Edwards is way too hot and then you put him next to Obama....crazy.

[Snotcicles]

11. Can you imagine, we would probably already have national health-care. nt

[Muttocracy]

24. right, Edwards has so much more experience and skill than Obama and Biden

it would have made GOP Senators just drop everything to please him.

[Snotcicles]

27. F U snarkopotomus. nt

[kimmerspixelated]

15. I hear ya!

[karynnj]

35. I seriously doubt Obama would have picked him

A huge number of people in his campaign came from John Kerry's campaign. When Kerry opted out most of his people (stategists and fund raisers) went to Obama, some to HRC - supposedly NONE to JRE. From a Boston Globe story, most were NOT impressed by Edwards as VP. He rarely attacked Bush or defended Kerry, he was more concerned with his own image.

[vaberella]

5. I thought he said this yesterday at the Democratic picnic thingy...

In any event...I wasn't upset by it. At first I was like...oy. Then when I thought about it, he's being realistic about the situation. Because after he said that, he also clearly said this would be the problem by everyone else. I thought the percentage should have been brought down by about 15% or so and he should have said something along the lines of hindsight. If he did, then it would have flowed better. But I wasn't upset by his statement although it put be aback. It was realistic and sobering.

[ShortnFiery]

7. Oh, it's endearing - I like his unfiltered opinion - that's part of Biden's charm.

I love "Joe the Biden" :loveya:

[Muttocracy]

8. nevermind - wrong video clip

[thoughtcrime1984]

10. Do we want the truth or not? The truth is, that's what Joe believes. He is honest. nt

[Hello_Kitty]

12. I'll take a 30% chance. Without it there's a 100% chance we are fucked. eom

[Muttocracy]

13. wasn't FDR's attitude to keep trying things until we found what worked? nt

[Hello_Kitty]

16. There are certain things that we know work

Like giving unemployed people jobs.

[karynnj]

36. yeah - but he framed it that he would get something that worked,

not this has 30% chance of being wrong. The problem is that in addition to the real fundamentals there is a lack of confidence that itself hurts the economy. (Like in medicine, it seems economic "medicine has a placebo effect in addition to the real effect.

[Jennicut]

14. I would rather have a politician be honest with me

then lie. And Edwards...yuck. I'm sorry, he just seemed so not genuine.

[ecstatic]

21. I agree, but where did he pull the 30% figure from?

:shrug:

Pulling numbers out of thin air isn't exactly honest either!

[karynnj]

37. I agree there -

there may be some econometric models that have been used to get an estimate, though it would be an immensely difficult thing to model - and very dependent on the assumptions. In addition what does "work" mean. If the stimulus causes the current trends to become less steep - is that working? If it brings net job loss to zero (when a couple a million gain is needed to keep the employment rate stable) working? Do we need a positive growth rate in GDP? A growth rate greater than x%

Without a definition, you can't even get a rough estimate based on stated assumptions.

So, the answer is that his estimate is "heuristic" - in this case, a euphemism for he "made it up out of thin air"

I think Biden is a good guy - but his tendency to do this was well known when Obama picked him. (But, look back to the DU VP stakes, EVERY candidate had liabilities - and his non- elite, very "normal" background and his foreign policy experience - the two things most needed were not there for anyone else.)

[LiberteToujours]

30. Personally...

I'd rather have a politician be honest with me than lie. ;)

[tekisui]

17. He steps in it once out of ten times. But, ten out of ten he is giving it to

us straight, often when no one else will.

[FrenchieCat]

18. Everytime Vice President Biden says something like that.....

I laugh.

I don't know why, I just do!

[ecstatic]

22. He's like that funny uncle

who cracks everyone up.

[camera obscura]

19. Look at it this way: if O wanted a bland spokesman for VP he could have gotten Bayh. We'd be screwn!

At least Joe's got a mind in there, even if it has a direct line to his mouth.

[Phx_Dem]

20. I'm starting to think so. Why in the world would anyone make such

a stupid statement. So it ain't so Joe!

He means well, but geeze dude.

[jberryhill]

23. Joe was hired to give his independent views, and that's what he does

Classic Joe Biden.

As a lifelong Delawarean, I can tell you that you can't muzzle the guy.

He speaks his mind, doesn't candy-coat, and that's what you get.

Give it time, you'll actually grow to like the occasional "OMG, WHAT did he say?"

[tabbycat31]

25. would you rather have Dick?

Seriously Joe's a much better choice.

[trashcanistanista]

26. Everytime he does this he keeps one less republican

off the TV screen and gets more attention. I love Joe and love seeing him all the time on TV as do most Americans. He should do it more often.

[pansypoo53219]

29. about 30% is

TAX CUTS!

[AspenRose]

31. Yes, by all means, let's gag the current VP who is being truthful

and let the former-lying-sack-of-crap VP have all the press and media exposure criticizing Obama's administration.

Yep, sounds like a winning plan.

:sarcasm:

[and-justice-for-all]

32. I see nothing wrong with his statement...

It sounds like code for "Yeah, the repukes are killing it again." He also shows honesty, rather then false hope. Its a massive problem and their really isn't any one fix for it, with those fuck it repukes and cowardly "lest be partisan" dems, I would say that Joe statement is fine.

[Hieronymus]

33. Yes, the man can't stop talking. He'd certainly have never gotten my vote ..

I voted for Obama.

[HOLOS]

34. Yes! He has a run away mouth!! Always his weak area....