**** Cloture vote debate thread ****

[Hokie]

McCain looks even older than he did before the GE campaign. Wonder if he will invoke Joe the Plunger? If says "maverick" or "Joe the Plunger" I am getting wasted.

On edit:
Johnny is mad he wasn't in on the negotiations. TS John, you are yesterday.

[Muttocracy]

1. I wish someone would give him a barrel of pork to wave around. nt

[Claire Beth]

76. He *IS* a bag of pork!!!!! n/t

[Ichingcarpenter]

2. I guess you are watching CNN with the split screen

One was live and one was taped
guess which one is which and why
did they show that at the same time?

[Hokie]

7. I have C-Span up in a Window with Vista Media Center

I want to watch this without interruptions or "Cable Chatter". That was a great line by the President, wasn't it?

[Ichingcarpenter]

15. I have C-span up too and McCain was up almost 40 mins ago

I also have CNN up and they just interviewed Alexrod LIVE
However on a split screen they had McCain speaking on the floor.

Problem is McCain spoke almost an hour ago and the Senate is in on a break now, of course it was on
the lou dobbs show.

I was watching C-Span and CNN on my computer at the same time.

[Aloha Spirit]

3. Like anyone believes he has read any part of the bill.. haha.

[Aloha Spirit]

4. I cannot believe he's worried about increasing debt.

[bdamomma]

6. hypocrite, that is what they all are.

8 years and they didn't say shit.

[bdamomma]

5. Kyl is up now, I hate these repigs and what they have done to the country

they should be run out of the country.

[Aloha Spirit]

11. Kyl: if states stop spending as they already have, that will screw us all. Arizona especially.

[Missouri Girl]

8. HE IS THE SINGLE BIGGEST A**HOLE EVER!

I was sick of this loser during the election. But, he is showing what a pompous jerk he is. Can't someone kneecap him?

[Hokie]

9. No my own Mitch McConnell has the biggest asshole title

I will fight you on that one.

[Hokie]

12. Kind of fun watching the rat fink Repukes speak in futility

Now they are all concerned about the debt. Let's talk a trillion on a war supported by lies.

[Brother Buzz]

67. I don't know, Lieberman and McCain are both vying for that title

I think it's a dead heat.

[ErinBerin84]

10. what a dingleberry

pathetic as ever.

[Hokie]

13. Now Thune

OMFG we have a debt. I am shocked!

[Hokie]

14. Coburn- One of two assholes from Oklahoma

[Milspec]

26. Coburn is not an Asshole

He's a Uber asswipe

[Aloha Spirit]

16. "Generational theft bill" -coburn

[Hokie]

17. He is Obama's friend

With friends like Coburn he needs no enemies.

[Aloha Spirit]

18. He alleges that governors are calling him telling him that the bill gives states too much $$. hmm

[Hokie]

19. Right.....

Lying asshole....

[Aloha Spirit]

21. He also thinks the recovery bill should include government spending CUTS. I no kid.

[bdamomma]

20. the repigs are shameful and have very short memories,

they need to find their asses thrown out on the streets, they could never survive.

[Hokie]

22. Lindsay "Sissy" Graham

Kissing Holy Joe's ass.

Pissed at Obama's speech. Thanks for the advice Lindsay. They are scared shitless of Obama now.

[bdamomma]

28. Lindsay "get out the closet" Graham.

[Hokie]

33. Sounded like someone cut a big one

Was that you Lindsay?

[Hokie]

34. OK who is Johnass?

Who let him in there?

[Hokie]

35. Who will pay for the bill?

We will pay for this by taxing the CEO assholes buddy. After we pay for Iraq and the Bush tax cuts.

[Muttocracy]

37. I think Johanns was elected to Hagel's seat. He was Sec. of Ag under Bush for several yrs. nt

[Thrill]

23. Reid MUST bring it to a vote TONIGHT

[Aloha Spirit]

24. Graham wants to marry Lieberman.

Don't ask for proof, I just sense it.

[Hokie]

29. He sounds like a jilted lover to me

:evilgrin:

[jazzjunkysue]

31. Just once, I hope Franken offers to get them both a room.

[Hokie]

40. Sessions

Another fine Repuke who hates American workers.

[tsuki]

79. Isn't he the one that spoke in admiration of the Taliban and seeks

to emulate it? Another Un-American Super-Patriot.

[bdamomma]

25. so when is the vote?

Lindsay is on the floor again talking about some amendment.

[Thrill]

30. They are gathering the Cloture Signings now

[Thrill]

27. Watching the Democrats Presser on CNN.com/live

They seem happy

[Aloha Spirit]

32. Graham says there are at least 12 (R)s that would have voted for a bill, but just not this one

Says this is a lost opportunity and blames everybody for not trying harder.
I say, yes you need to try harder.

[bdamomma]

38. yea, look how not one House repuke voted yes for the bill.

they are showing to everyone what a$$holes they are.

[Thrill]

36. Why do they keep saying its larger than the house bill?

[Aloha Spirit]

39. 827 billion minus 819 billion

edit--I don't know where the 827 billion figure can be verified, but I enjoy the way they keep saying it will be over a trillion if you include financing and interest.
because obviously if we can't put a floor under the job hemorrhaging, that couldn't possibly have long term monetary risks.

[Thrill]

42. I thought it was 780?

[Aloha Spirit]

44. Yeah, I thought so too. Not sure yet where the 826 or 827 comes from.

[Aloha Spirit]

78. Okay the extra 45 or whatever is from the amendments for consumer spending and NIH (NYT)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/07/us/politics/07stimulus.html?ref=politics&pagewanted=print

The NIH was I think Specter and the housing tax credit was like lieberman, graham and isakson or something. don't know which other amendments figure in to the adjustment.

[bdamomma]

41. but don't they always say that? anything to bitch and moan at.

[Hokie]

43. Johnnie Mac is up again

Bipartisan Smipatisan...

[Aloha Spirit]

47. His urgent request is for people to stop bragging about winning.

[Wednesdays]

58. Why the long line of Repubs?

This isn't a debate, it's a crying session.

[bdamomma]

45. Mccain is up now again.

this is the same man who said the fundamentals of the economy are strong, is now saying how bad everything is. Such hypocrisy

[Hokie]

48. He is really really pissed

He has mentioned twice that he was not in on the negotiations.

[michaz]

50. I wish his teeth would fall out on the floor. I am sick of hearing him

whistle through them.

[Hokie]

46. I think they have a stunt planned

I think Vitter is going to do something.

[crazylikafox]

52. What's the best channel to watch this on???

[Hokie]

55. CSPAN 2

[crazylikafox]

57. thanks

[nomaco-10]

56. Yep, me too. n/t

[nomaco-10]

49. I've never seen such hyperbolic bullshit being spewed on the floor of the senate...

by these asshats. They are the very ones that got this country in the shape it's in. Now all the sudden they're all worried about future generations baring the brunt of this bill. They sure didn't give a shit when they practically knocked each other down getting to the floor to vote for bush's budgets, tax cuts and emergency cash needed for a war in Iraq that is approaching the cost of a trillion dollars.

They are really playing up to the public how hard they tried to work with the dems, but they were shut out and how how they tried to save the american people from this horrific piece of legislation. I hate these bastids, I really do.

[Wednesdays]

62. They sure didn't give a shit when...

...not to mention the TARP bailout! :puke:

[nomaco-10]

63. They're the biggest bunch of hipocrates ever. n/t

[Hokie]

51. Sen. Harry Reid

Get ready to be inspired.
Kisses McCain's ass, clears throat.
Johnie Mac kisses back.

[Hokie]

53. A vote!!!!

What the hell are voting for?

[bdamomma]

59. when is this vote.

[Aloha Spirit]

61. now!!

[jenmito]

66. Where'd you hear that? MSNBC just said NO vote 'til maybe MONDAY.

[Aloha Spirit]

70. vote is to see if they have 2/3 votes to end debate on the bill.

[Aloha Spirit]

54. Reid compliments McCain for his leadership tonight. McCain returns the compliment.

[Frank Booth]

74. Fuck Reid.

Education now qualifies as pork?? This is a fucking travesty.

[Hokie]

60. This must be a silent auction

All I heard was Akaka. That sums it up. It's a kaka.

[bdamomma]

64. Rachel said they are not voting tonite, probably Sunday.

more amendments coming we are there yet. Filibuster runs out Monday I think I heard.

[Hokie]

65. I think cloture is now

Then amendments. I am not sure if Sunday is the final bill or just the Senate version.

[jenmito]

Just the Senate version. They won't vote 'til Monday.

[bdamomma]

68. well the train is still on the tracks, but the vote is Monday.

[backscatter712]

69. Plenty of time to get derailed.

I'm sure the Rethugs will find something to be poutraged about and call the whole thing off.

[AlinPA]

71. No senate vote of any kind tonight. They are just gathering cloture petitions.

The procedure for "invoking cloture," or ending a filibuster, is as follows:

A minimum of sixteen senators must sign a petition for cloture.
The petition may be presented by interrupting another Senator's speech.
The clerk reads the petition.
The cloture petition is ignored for one full day during which the Senate is sitting (If the petition is filed on a Friday, it is ignored until Monday, assuming that the Senate did not sit on Saturday or Sunday.)
On the second calendar day during which the Senate sits after the presentation of the petition, after the Senate has been sitting for one hour, a "quorum call" is undertaken to ensure that a majority of the Senators are present.
The President of the Senate or President pro tempore presents the petition.
The Senate votes on the petition; three-fifths of the whole number of Senators (sixty with no vacancies) is the required majority; however, when cloture is invoked on a question of changing the rules of the Senate, two-thirds of the Senators voting (not necessarily two-thirds of all Senators) is the requisite majority.
After cloture has been invoked, the following restrictions apply:

No more than thirty hours of debate may occur.<8>
No Senator may speak for more than one hour.
No amendments may be moved unless they were filed on the day in between the presentation of the petition and the actual cloture vote.
All amendments must be relevant to the debate.
Certain debates on procedure are not permissible.
The presiding officer gains additional power in controlling debate.
No other matters may be considered until the question upon which cloture was invoked is disposed of.

[Parker CA]

72. Very informative. Thank you! I've been wondering how this all would work. Awesome details.

[Aloha Spirit]

73. If yr interested, here's some more info on it

http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs-publish.cfm?pid=%26%2A2%3C4QLS%3E%0A

[Parker CA]

75. Very cool, Thanks!

[Phx_Dem]

77. Fuck John McCain. Obama went out of his way to honor

that nasty piece of shit and McCain is such a small-minded ideologue, he couldn't even disagree with Obama is a respectful way. John McCain has no integrity or character, and he's going to suffer the consequences when the economy starts to turn around, later this year.

I can't wait.