Congratulations, ladies!

[lwcon]

The good news: we have our first female president.

The bad news: it's Susan Collins.

If only Obama had run as a progressive, and if only it hadn't been politically incorrect to notice that he didn't....

[Captain Hilts]

1. I got swatted here all the time for saying he wasn't a progressive.

Sue Collins, our first female president!? Who knew? I would uh bet on Ollie Snowe first.

[lwcon]

2. Just swatted?

You must've had a good lawyer!

[Thrill]

13. I think most of the people who throw out the word Progressive

don't even know what it is to be one

[Captain Hilts]

53. True. But it wasn't Obama or Clinton, who I'd classify as just left of center. nt

[sandnsea]

3. We gambled and still got stuck with Hillary's policies

Oh well. We'd have had more tax cuts with her, we already saw how well she fought the right during the last 8 years.

[Beacool]

4. Who is this "we", Kimosabe?

Not all of us. I knew who I wanted and why I wanted that person. Empty talk and platitudes never fed anyone.

:shrug:

[sandnsea]

5. You wanted what you're getting then

So you've got nothing to bitch about. Hillary sure as hell isn't a progressive and wouldn't have asked for any expansion for EIC or medicaid for the unemployed or any of the other assistance that is in this stimulus. She wouldn't have ended the Iraq War or stood up against torture because she didn't do it for the last 8 years. You're delusional if you think you would have gotten anything better under Hillary. You'll see that as you watch her fuck up foreign policy and have to have Joe Biden follow behind her and clean it up.

[Captain Hilts]

8. I don't use 'bitch' in conversation. nt

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[Captain Hilts]

28. I'm just conscious of sexist language. Do you use 'gyp' and 'that's awfully white of you'?

I hope not.

[Skittles]

57. hey Captain Hilts

learn to put idiot asshats on IGNORE - it will do you a world of good hi:

[sandnsea]

73. Huh? What?

Is somebody talking here?

:shrug:

[dionysus]

84. "gyp"???

oh who will think of the poor gypsies!!!!

:rofl:

[Name removed]

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[dionysus]

79. a misogynist woman?

the crack pipe is strong with this one...

[Jim Sagle]

87. It's called internalizing...check into it.

[Beacool]

9. Well, I don't agree with you.

I particularly find the last sentence laughable. Hillary will do just find as SOS without Biden having to come to her rescue. Watch and see.........

;)

[lwcon]

11. This Joe Biden?

http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/5492

Yeah, and Hillary is just soooo against spending on domestic programs! She eats Vince Foster's kittens, too!

[Jennicut]

48. So you dislike Obama and Biden.

Well you could have gone 3rd party but then again you would still be complaining and rehashing BS.

[PBS Poll-435]

20. Wow

:wtf:

[Captain Hilts]

29. Blago is positively dreamy in your avatar!!!!

[PBS Poll-435]

32. Blago is going to be a media empire

And I am getting in on the ground floor!

:loveya:

/threadhijack

[rvablue]

38. You need a history book and a civics lesson. n/t

[Life Long Dem]

63. Biden's already speaking to foreign countries. Maybe Obama will keep Hillary downstairs

She'd be offshoring more jobs as we speak. And who cares that she's a woman.

[Captain Hilts]

6. And her foreclosure and healthcare policies were MORE progressive than Obama's.

Hence, Krugman's support for her.

And mine.

Let's see what shakes out here.

[Beacool]

10. And mine!!!

That is also why the AMA and the Nurse's Association endorsed Hillary. But, let them think that he's the most progressive one out there. Time will only tell......

:shrug:

[Hello_Kitty]

34. The AMA??!?

Progressive?!?

:rofl:

[Beacool]

65. Who said they were progressive?

Just pointing out that she had the better health care plan of the two.

;)

[sandnsea]

12. Forced insurance is not progressive

No matter how many times Krugman says it is. She may be able to bamboozle the lowest income people, the same way Republicans do, doesn't mean she's right and it doesn't mean her policies are any more progressive than a Republicans.

[Beacool]

22. Bamboozle the lowest income people??????

Pardon me why I heartily laugh.........

:rofl:

Of all the condescending load of crap!!!

x(

[Captain Hilts]

27. 'Voluntary' participation means only poor and old participate. Take it from someone...

who has been on private, military and Canadian medicine. Either everyone's in or everyone's out. Otherwise you're creating yet another class-based system. Really.

[Two Americas]

89. "forced insurance?"

Are you calling universal health care "forced insurance?"

"Bamboozle the lowest income people?"

How do these two statements differ from two of the most popular themes of the right wing propagandists? The first is a privatization argument. The second is an anti-populist argument. That is the foundation of the right wing agenda, the two main pillars of reactionary political thought - that the common people are too stupid to know what is good for them, and that they and any who speak for them are not to be trusted; that government programs are "coercive" and interfere with "personal choice" and that social problems are better handled with a "free market" approach.

Historically, these are the two main arguments in defense of entrenched power and wealth, and the aristocracy. We are to not trust the government, any government, as an instrument for helping the common people, and we are to see the common people as a permanent underclass of losers, and we then mock and ridicule anyone who speaks for them.





disclaimer: I never supported Senator Clinton and don't care one way or the other about these arguments for and against the different candidates from the primaries.

[DevonRex]

24. Enough of hte primary bullshit. It's been over for a loooonnnng time.

[Beacool]

26. True,

but that doesn't meant that everyone has to act like lemmings jumping off a cliff. There are many valid reasons why people supported one candidate and not the others. Regardless of who that candidate may have been. The group mentality of the board sometimes is disturbing, toe the line or else, is not conducive to a democratic discourse.

;-)

[DevonRex]

40. Did you see Better Believe It's thread about the 18 Senators? I was

really glad to see that list because now we know who to call and put pressure on. I knew that both Mark Udall and Bennett were fairly conservative democrats, of course. They're better than having republicans in there. But it means we liberals will have to keep putting pressure on them to do the right thing.

[Beacool]

41. No, I didn't it.

I'll look for it later. I'm on my way to get a pedicure before the place closes for the night. It's one luxury I can still afford, at least for as long as I have a job. One of my little contributions to the economic recovery, the place has been awfully slow lately. They said that some of their customers lost their jobs and others come less frequently because they are afraid to lose them. Signs of the time......

:(


:hi:

[Captain Hilts]

30. Agree. No matter who is prez, we need to keep the pressure on. Right now...

we're not winning.

Keep the pressure on...

[DevonRex]

35. I agree. There's another thread with a list of Senators who are cutting stuff

from the bill. Good stuff. My 2 Senators are on that list. What really pisses me off is that I had called their offices to encourage them to vote for the bill. Neither office told me that they were pushing to cut money for building or repairing schools. I think that was dishonest because their phone people implied they were all for the bill, without the caveat.

So, they're gonna hear from me again on Monday. Grrrr.

[Captain Hilts]

37. Keep up the Good Fight. nt

[Jennicut]

47. So so over. Please don't rehash this bs anymore.

It makes us look like 2 year olds.

[lwcon]

7. Check this out and tell me we would've had the same domestic policies

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122230767702474045.html

Hillary had been pushing for HOLC for quite a while before that.

That said, http://www.correntewire.com/oh_corrente#comment-134056">the primary ship sailed in June. All I ask is that progressives band together and tell President Obama to totally cut the post-partisan crap once and for all. Part of that is recognizing that it was always a shit platform, and he needs to walk away from it entirely. If people want to believe it was a necessary tool for him to get elected (even when the GOP brand was deep in the toilet), whatever, but it was always a dangerous and untrue framing, and we've paid a potentially frightening price for it in the draconian compromises in the stimulus bill.

Obama has signaled a degree of readiness to go partisan in some recent speeches, but in those same speeches (and elsewhere) he's also fallen back on that moronic, disempowering framing, as well.

[Hello_Kitty]

15. If the primaries are over what the fuck was the point of your OP?

This is why I stayed the hell out of DU during that time. Why are YOU dredging this shit up again?

[dionysus]

86. he was even bitching about the cardboard cutout incident today...

[Aloha Spirit]

16. Congratulations, offensive people!

Most offensive title of the day.

[sandnsea]

17. March 2007

Which is why the primaries turned out the way they did and which is why you are the one that needs to put them behind you. Hillary is a suburban goldwater girl, always has been, always will be. She follows, she does not lead and never has. That's why she rode Billy's coattails, she didn't know how to make her own.

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-80305

[Beacool]

18. Hillary had been talking about it for many months

before the primaries were over. I liked her detail plans and how she foresaw paying for them (granted that was before the Sept. economic implosion). Obama has already co-opted some of her positions on foreign policy and health care. I still think that experience does count for something, as vastly demonstrated by Captain Sully recently, and I thought that Hillary would have been better at delivering on her campaign promises. It's my opinion and I'm sticking with it.

;)

[truedelphi]

68. As a progressive, can I point out that nothing in the doctrine requires that

A person who is progressive avoid excelling at skilled negotiations. Nothing.

Nothing about being a progressive implies that you be bi-partisian, either.

[dionysus]

85. we get it, you wanted hillary. jeeesus h on a pogo stick

:eyes:

[Metric System]

43. Um, why are you attacking Hillary? What does she have to do with the OP?

[pinto]

19. Clever construct, but I'd hardly call Sen. Collins' role in this bill as Presidential,

or as President. She was one of a group of Senators that negotiated a compromise on the Senate's version of the bill. One sure to leave many of us shortchanged. Yet, it remains to go into conference with the House for a final presentation.

I disagree strongly with the "state stabilization funds" cut (from $79b to $39b, iirc) noted in your first link. The devil remains in the details of where those funds are supposed to be cut and what comes out of the joint conference in a final bill.

Hyperbole bodes none of us well, in this debate. All last week, we watched the Republicans use the same construct on the Senate floor to raise alarm over this bill that was geared to an emotional not a rational response. It makes for good TV, not good legislating.

Let's see what comes out of conference. Then let's support the bill for what it is at this point in time or not.

[DevonRex]

23. IMO this is rehashing the primaries and does us no good at all. We fought hard

to come together after we had a nominee. I'm upset that a few here are trying to divide us all over again.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

31. Yes, and the specific ones doing it are no surprise either.

[DevonRex]

36. There's another thread that's full of some pretty icky stuff about

Hillary, too. Is there a full moon tonight or something? We should be WAY past this stuff.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

33. It really depends on what your purpose is, whether hyperbole serves you well.

I wouldn't make too many assumptions about the effects people are trying for.

[pot luck]

21. So, signing the Lilly Ledbetter Act into law,

expanding SCHIP, banning torture, and signing an exective order to close Gitmo are things that a Centrist/Conservative would do? If so, why didn't Bush do any of them? There's a lot of selective amnesia going on around here. I don't like the stimulus package anymore than anyone else, nor do I think Obama and the Dems have handled the Repukes well, but to ignore the progressive legislations/executive orders that Obama has signed and write him off as a Centrist/Conservative because of the stimulus package is a misrepresentation of his ideology.

[Occam Bandage]

25. Oh no! A Senator exerted some influence on a bill in the Senate!

Panic!

[pinto]

39. Really. That's their job. I happen to welcome Collins' support for an imperfect bill, than no bill.

And I feel it's far short of what we need to get done. This isn't the end of what we need to do.

And as I said above, we have yet to see what comes out of the House/Senate conference on a final.

I'll take the long view. 3 weeks of a Democratic Administration is just the beginning, federally. And this Congressional process is probably one of a number to come.

[malletgirl02]

42. I agree

Many people on DU forget that the Legislative branch is a co equal branch to the Executive.

[Jennicut]

49. Seriously. Only Cheney got it mixed up. We should not.

[Captain Hilts]

54. Agree. nt

[grantcart]

92. and all future legislations is now ended

[ProSense]

44. Susan Collins the token Repub?

She's involved in a compromise effort that essentially amounts to bartering away her vote for an opportunity to screw up the stimulus package. Incidently, the effort isn't even constructive (an attempt to introduce legislation on behalf of the GOP), it's simply cutting stuff from a package crafted primarily by Democrats.

Susan Collins is the first female president of the Lieberman traitor's club.

[CTyankee]

52. I don't even know what she stands for. I know who she is but as a public figure, no.

I cannot fathom her political belief. It is not possible to do so.

therefore, she is dead to me. That's it. Dead to me.

No more discussion about Susan Collins...

[Uzybone]

45. Idiotic, divisive OP.

[bunkerbuster1]

83. Taken out of context, I could see that, but...

well, I love Digby's Hullabaloo, have for years.

I'll give a pass on this one post from dday (and its inclusion on DU.)

Seriously though, if you've never been to http://www.digbysblog.blogspot.com/, you really oughta. good stuff.

[Jennicut]

46. Oh please. Why oh why do some people on DU insist on posting utter irritating crap

like this. What the hell is progressive anyways? Doesn't progressive equal liberal? Liberals are a broad spectrum. Or are some liberals just not "pure enough" for you? Whatever. Go vote for whatever 3rd party dingbat comes along next time so you can tell yourself your are so damned perfect. Politically correct, lulz. That is you. No one will ever please ultra progressives anyways, its just never enough.

[NeedleCast]

75. Or are some liberals just not "pure enough"

That's pretty much it. It's no exact science but the system seems to pretty much work like this Democrat<Liberal<Progressive.

problem is, everyone tends to have a measuring stick of a different length when it comes to applying their labels.

[alcibiades_mystery]

50. It's becoming clear that the bitter losers will stay bitter

Quelle dommage.

[Skittles]

56. repukes?

yes

[alcibiades_mystery]

58. You would think that the bitter losers would be just the repukes

Unfortunately, it's also many on this board. It's a shame, really.

[Skittles]

59. they are not as bad as the goose-steppers

[alcibiades_mystery]

60. Sure they are

They're just goose-stepping in another direction. And they have the additional embarrassing trait of being resentful and bitter, which makes any actual valid criticisms they might have look like just their usual bitter bullshit. Obama has been in office less than 20 days. Fucking DAYS. The so-called "heroic" dissenters are the real goose-stepping morons in this equation.

[Skittles]

61. I don't think disillusionment with the direction is bad

I thought Obama's reaching out to repukes was a mistake from the start although I have always understood the gist of what he was TRYING to do - and picks like Gupta and Dashle were just plain ASININE

[alcibiades_mystery]

62. 20 Days

[Skittles]

64. THESE ARE MISTAKES THAT ARE MADE IN THE FIRST 20 DAYS

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[alcibiades_mystery]

66. Yes, they are the tragic end of so much promise

:eyes:

[Skittles]

67. please, PLEASE get over yourself

[alcibiades_mystery]

69. pfft

[NeedleCast]

76. I don't think being president works how you think it works...

[dionysus]

81. you've been really, really angry ever since he won, you do realize that right?

and anytime someone defends him you get really, really angry...
:shrug:

[Lilith Velkor]

91. Attacking other DUers is not the same thing as "defending Obama"

That pretense needs to be dropped.

He's the President of the United States, and if he's so vulnerable to some anonymous fucktard on the internets, we're in way deeper trouble than we know.

[Danger Mouse]

51. This thread makes baby Jesus cry.

[firedupdem]

55. LOL!

The bitterness is hillarious!

[dionysus]

88. you bitter believe it!!

:spray:

[lwcon]

70. I have to run. Anyone want to count up how many replies...

Actually address the question of whether Obama's post-partisanship platform is giving the Republicans too much power, which is unequivocally the intent of the snarky premise?

[AtomicKitten]

71. You forgot the sarcasm thingie. n/t

[lwcon]

72. My bad

I feel terrible about everyone who went out and bought "Susan Collins, President" plates, coins, and whatnot because of my thoughtlessnes.

[Arugula Latte]

78. When Susan didn't get nominated, I became very bitter and voted for McCain/Palin.

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:eyes:

[snooper2]

77. What's with you continually cross-posting between DU

And this correntewire website?


Kind of odd behavior you have there...

[dionysus]

82. seems he's pimping his shitty-ass blog...

:rofl:

[dionysus]

80. you're really trying to earn a cookie aren't you?

:rofl:

[TornadoTN]

90. Where have I seen this before?

Seriously - where might I have seen this type of article? Maybe it was during the election. Something to do with a Mountain Lion. Maybe a Cheetah. Or perhaps a Puma?