V.P. Biden an embarrassment for prez?

[Beacool]

From CNN’s Jack Cafferty:

“Barack Obama throws Joe Biden under the bus” is how one British newspaper describes the president’s little dig at his number two during last night’s press conference.

President Obama was asked about the Veep’s recent remark that even if the White House did everything right in combating the economic downturn, there’s a “30% chance we’re going to get it wrong.” The president grinned a little, saying he didn’t remember “exactly what Joe was referring to.” Smooth as ever, Mr. Obama went on to say that he wouldn’t assign a numerical value to all this. But given the magnitude of the problems we’re facing, no one single thing they do will solve all the problems.

But let’s get back to the vice president. During the campaign, folks were always wondering what would pop out of Biden’s mouth next. Biden has said “I never make any big, big gaffes”, but many would beg to differ.

Perhaps the biggest headache came in late October when his running mate suggested that Mr. Obama would be tested by an international crisis within his first six months in office, something the McCain camp seized on immediately.

And, it didn’t end on the campaign trail. During their first full day in office, Biden joked at a press conference about how his memory wasn’t “as good” as Chief Justice John Roberts’, who stumbled over the president’s oath of office. The president wasn’t laughing, and Biden later apologized to Roberts.

http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2009/02/10/vp-biden-an-embarrassment-for-prez/#comments

Another link:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/02/10/obama-jabs-biden-over-30-percent-comment/#comments

[blaze]

1. Oh hell, no! n/t

[ProSense]

2. No, that's in the collective imagination of the idiotic MSM. n/t

[babylonsister]

3. Cafferty? Slow news day? nt

[camera obscura]

4. I'd rather have an independent thinker who gaffes than a suck-up who repeats the company line

Just remember how perilously close we came to VP Bayh and exhale.

[marshall]

30. He is well known for his gaffes

You have to take the good with the bad.

[YvonneCa]

36. And the MSM is very well known for its stupidity. :) n/t

[bunkerbuster1]

103. Like what? The "clean and articulate" business?

Or the bit about how a new president will be tested? Those are the two in the last year I've heard regurgitated ad infinitum, and ya know, neither sounded like gaffes to me--they sounded like a childish media jumping on any story they could find.

(on edit) -- not jumping on the post, but more the notion that Biden is especially "gaffe prone." That sounds like a self-fulfilling meme. Sooner or later someone says something which, taken out of context, sounds weird.

[marshall]

115. The list goes back beyond his campaign with Obama

I agree the media takes full advantage of every gaffe, such as FDR firesides chats on the tv or telling the wheelchair bound man to stand up, but many in the party held their breath when his name was announced because he is known for it. I think it adds a quirky humor to him, and he's said nothing that I think is horribly shocking. But I do think it makes interesting conversation--it's what late night standup live for.

[bunkerbuster1]

130. "I think it adds a quirky humor to him"

Agreed, fully. I think that's what gets confused with "gaffe prone."

I guess I sympathize with Biden a bit, because the only time I generally get myself in trouble is when I'm trying to be clever, and my spoken or written attempts at humor wind up sounding harsher or more mean-spirited than they ever were intended.

[marshall]

132. Remember Chevy Chase's improv of Jerry Ford?

Ford's gaffes (which were mostly physical rather than verbal) seemed to endear people to him. It's probably one of the more positive things that are remembered about him.

[BuelahWitch]

49. Or a Shadow President like Cheney

:scared:

[MarjorieG]

5. I just know Obama appreciates Biden humor on some very pressure-filled days.

And his smarts even more. The human guy with the open door to labor, and strong, strong foreign policy creds.

[Brother Buzz]

38. That is my read, too

All in all, Biden is a 1st string team player and isn't going to be parked on the bench. His gaffes are addressed and ironed out quickly.

[MichiganVote]

6. Uh...I'd day Biden was being conservative w/the 30% thing.

[FrenchieCat]

7. I don't believe that President Obama ever thought that VP Biden

was going to be perfect.....

[Spinzonner]

8. So, we have a VP who's a bit of comic relief

instead of a President who's a clown

We can live with it.

[dsc]

9. the press whines and cries that no politicians ever are spontanious

but when they get ones who are (Dean and Biden to name two) then its they make all these gaffes. Then they wonder why they don't have politicians who speak their minds.

[theoldman]

10. 30% wrong sounds a lot better than 100% wrong during the Bush years.

Just for added information, doctors are wrong at least 10% of the time when making a diagnosis. The guy who reads your X-rays are wrong 30% of the time. Got this information from a book written by a doctor. Hey, even my post are sometimes wrong.

[Inspired]

11. Joe's the real deal.

[bottomtheweaver]

12. Biden is Obama's best pick yet.

Possibly his only Democrat. He could have done much, much worse.

[Hieronymus]

13. A definite yes.

[Kdillard]

14. No. The media is just ridiculous.

[ecstatic]

15. I don't think he meant it that way

With everything that's going on, he's not going to remember an offhanded remark by Biden.

[treestar]

16. The premise is that it's a big mistake to admit the truth

That nothing is certain in the world.

Republic-thinking. If Cheney had admitted there might possibly be no WMD in Iraq, that there was a chance of that, would Chimp and Cheney have been better off when it did in fact turn out there were none?

[politicasista]

17. Geez. They must be desperate for a soap opera.

They never once asked if V.P. Darth Cheney was an embarrassment Smirky. :eyes:

We all know that he was. Both were an embarrassment to the country and world, but I remember that the press slobbering all over them, and allowing to get away with their crimes and lies. :puke:

Slow news day alright.










edit for clarity. :)

[Vattel]

18. I just don't get

why the joke about Roberts was such a big deal. Roberts' forgetting the oath was a trivial matter and the joke seemed utterly inoffensive to me. I suppose Obama might have been worried that it could be interpreted as a partisan snipe, but I hope Roberts isn't so thin-skinned to have been bothered by it.

[Colobo]

19. Why is Biden so hated by some?

[Beacool]

21. I don't think that he's hated,

some just think that he's goofy and has a big mouth.

;)

[bottomtheweaver]

24. I think it's that remark about Bobby being assassinated in June.

Oh wait..

[karynnj]

28. or telling a joke that actually asked if Ghandi worked at a gas station?

Or the joke of knowing how to deal with bad men? Or insisting that she and Obama were essentially tied - when they weren't and it was as pathetic as Lieberman claiming he was in a three way tie for third in NH - when he had less votes than the two he claimed to be tied with. Or theone who spoke of snipers in Bosnia?

The point is that you can make anyone look an embassament

[sandnsea]

111. yep

Primaries never seem to end, do they?

[karynnj]

131. They actually do - but here it seemed the OP was disingenuous

posting the op that put all Biden's gaffes to the fore and filtered out all the serious credible things he has said and done. My point was to show that you could pull together a similar embarrassing mix for any politician. I used HRC because the OP is a strong HRC supporter. But, ANY politician who has spent months in the intense near 16 hours a day spotlight could be diminished this way. Including Obama and including John Kerry.

Which is more inflammatory - an op with a subject asking if the VP is an embarrassment - or what I wrote? What would happen if there are a few HRC misstatements - and they likely will occur - and I posted Is HRC an embarrassment? It would be locked in a short interval - as this should have been.

[Jennicut]

25. Because politicians are expected to be programmed robots.

And he isn't. Yeah, sometimes it doesn't always come out right but he is an intelligent man, not a "Dan Quayle". He proved that in his debate against Phalin were he walked circles around her. He is down to earth and more real then a lot of politicians are and for some reason that just bothers the MSM and of course the right wing hates all Dems. I think Obama knew what Joe was like when he picked him so I don't think there is any "drama" - that is done out of sheer boredom because Obama is doing so well. Besides, we could have Evan Bayh or Tim Kaine right now as our VP. At least Biden has passion.

[Deja Q]

41. Not hated, as such, but he was for the bankruptcy 'reform' act of 2005...

I recall he was for the DMCA, or something to that effect and I recall not liking his vote on that either.

I know he's voted for things I've agreed with... and, back then, my mindset re: the DMCA was a bit different. In concept, it's not bad. In practice, the DMCA has been abused and hasn't done any one or any corporation much good (I recall Lexmark suing HP for a toner cartridge design made by HP for Lexmark while making its own cartridges for HP as well. Seems both companies could file the same suit. The DMCA is a load of nonsense and needs a proper review.)

Those are the only two negatives I recall; and of the two the bankruptcy reform one is more aggravating. I ultimately think he means well (he also voted for the ill-fated balanced budget amendment in 1998, or was it 1997), but given all the variables (job losses, job hopping, et al), there's much more going on with bankruptcy than just the poor sod who took the loans. :(

[bunkerbuster1]

105. I used to dislike him on policy...

I came around during the presidential primaries, though. I got over my dislike and came to respect the man.

[sandnsea]

110. Primaries aren't over

That's all. Some people will never pass up an opportunity to slam this administration.

Hell a few people are still stuck on the 2004 primaries for that matter.

[Beacool]

20. OK, the count so far is 1 Yes, 17 No.

:D

[karynnj]

22. Would the President send an embarrassment to the Munich meeting to discuss Afghanistan

and our relations with NATO? This is a continuation of the nonsense in the campaign - where every word is parsed and then every awkward comment twisted to maximize the embarrassment factor. Biden has always had gaffes. Everyone does. But, there have been hundreds of pictures where Biden is with the President - if he were an embarrassment, you wouldn't see him and he would have no role. Instead this is his second major foreign policy trip and he has a hand in domestic issues as well.

[Wetzelbill]

23. Biden is highly opinionated and loves to talk

He's bound to make some mistakes or say something a little odd at some point. For the most point, Biden is a smart man, who knows politics and policy and he has a solid voting record. He's a serious policy thinker, so while he might make some verbal slip ups he's a huge asset in every other area.

[PolNewf]

26. Biden is a HUGE asset

Obama can have Biden float ANYTHING in public. Joe Biden has a get out of jail free card.

Obama gets to play the "straight man", coming off as serious and presidential and Joe Biden is the same old Joe everyone knows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7yqLLhuPpI

[Starry Messenger]

27. I hardly hear about him these days...

I like him. What's he up to? Still fumigating from Cheney?

[Jennicut]

29. He spoke at the Security Conference in Munich

It was the first real foreign policy address of the Obama administration. Last year Loserman and McCain represented the United States...ick.

[Starry Messenger]

31. Oh, cool!

Thanks Jennicut.

[phleshdef]

32. I think a lot of people find Biden's so called "gaffe prone" personality to be charming...

Seriously, thats what the average joe and jane American see when Biden speaks. And aside from that, he is just downright likeable. Joe Biden is no embarassment and I guarantee that most Americans find him to be an extremely refreshing upgrade from Cheney.

[Jennicut]

33. You mean people prefer charming and likable to Darth Vader?

LOL. Cheney was a cold bastard. Not one ounce of charm. Even Bush we could at least laugh at, am I right?

[frogmarch]

34. Joe brings pizazz

and intelligence to the office. I don't think he's an embarrassment to Obama at all.

[JTFrog]

66. Too bad he doesn't bring pizza's. This thread could certainly use one.

:shrug:

[jberryhill]

125. He used to bring donuts

There was a Krispy Kreme next to the Widener Law campus, and he'd stop there every Saturday morning before class.

[YvonneCa]

35. Kicking for Joe Biden! I LOVE our...

...new VP. (MSM is nuts, as usual). ;)

[Bicoastal]

37. You know what? The Veep is doing a good job at not dominating or upstaging the President.

A strong, competent President doesn't need much from his Vice. Without looking it up, try to name Lincoln's first Vice President (before Andrew Johnson) or FDR's first two (before Truman) and you'll see what I mean.

[Danger Mouse]

128. Lincoln's first VP was Hannibal Hamlin. And I didn't need to look it up.

Do I get a cookay?

[Name removed]

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Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Clio the Leo]

40. Joe is hot and the rest are haters.

And that's all I have to say about that!

[Jennicut]

45. LOL Clio!

[Beacool]

56. Clio, down girl!!!

Take thee to a cold shower........

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[Jennicut]

59. LMAO

Lot of ladies on DU luv Joe and Barack, we can't help it.;-)

[Beacool]

60. It appears so..........

:eyes:

That's OK, I remember how women would swoon for Bill. Heck, some still do.

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[DevonRex]

72. Democratic men are WAY hotter than republic men.

My husband is drop dead gorgeous. But even he can't beat the smiles of Joe and Barack.

[Beacool]

74. Wellllll, I wouldn't go that far.

There are plenty of cute Repug guys, they just lose some of their luster when they open their mouth.

:7

[tabbycat31]

42. would you rather see Cheney or Palin?

or a VP that could spell potato?

[politicasista]

46. Or a VP that misquotes the

UNCF's (United Negro College Fund) motto: "A mind is a terrible thing to lose" (to "waste" is the word).

[Beacool]

55. Who, me?

Nope, jamais, nyet, nunca....

x(

[firedupdem]

43. They are trying to sow division. Leave Joe alone! n/t

[SoxFan]

44. Another day, another whine from Beacool

Hillary lost. Deal with it.

[Beacool]

52. Oh please, what does this have to do with Hillary?

I happen to like Biden too.

I think some of YOU need to get over it........

:eyes:

[JTFrog]

68. Oh Come On! Post 21 clearly shows that Bea is pro-Biden, oh wait...Post 63?...

errr hrmmm.

I guess we're supposed to have picked it up telepathically.

:shrug:

[JI7]

47. Biden is just being Biden and it's fun to watch Obama squirm sometimes

like when Biden poked fun at Roberts.

Obama knew what he was getting when he picked Biden for VP. and i'm sure Biden knows and doesn't mind OBama's reaction which is not always in agreement.

[CakeGrrl]

48. No...much as some might hope it comes to be so

The MSM would love to tear down a Democrat's playhouse...with the help of some who never really thought much of him to begin with.

:eyes:

[rvablue]

50. No. Why wasn't the MSM asking this when Cheney was in office? n/t

[Beacool]

53. Fear

Cheney was neither goofy nor lovable, he was mean and nasty. Who would want to mess with him?

:scared:

[Marsala]

63. With Cheney, the media's angle was that Cheney was the one really in charge

The media will play up any controversy, no matter how factual its basis.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

51. After Cheney?! Joe Biden is a terrific VP

I don't want to see the press trying to make him a buffoon and I don't want Obama to fall into the trap of Quaylizing his own VP.

I hope Pres. Obama NEVER says another joking or patronizing word about Joe in the future because it will diminish Joe (who doesn't deserve it) and put a cloud over Obama's own judgment. Don't fall for it, Mr. President!

[smalll]

54. This is about as gratuitously popcorn-worthy as that porn poll a couple of days ago --

In this case, trying to resuscitate old Primary Wars fights (as opposed to being pure flame-bait/sex-thread as per the porn poll.) :shrug:

[Beacool]

57. What porn poll???

I missed a porn poll?

Darn, I always miss all the fun!!!

:(


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[smalll]

58. Sorry, that was in regular GD (not GD : P) --

yeah, but you sure missed something!

[Beacool]

61. If they have porn polls I better go over there more often.

:evilgrin:

[mwooldri]

62. WOuld that British newspaper happen to be the Torygraph (sorry... Telegraph) ?

Yep that right wing newspaper has hit the button right again.

I don't think Obama has thrown Biden under the bus. If Biden turns out to be a terrible VP then guess what? We'll be having Obama/Someone else in 2012.

Nope, Joe Biden happens to have something I kinda like about the guy. He's a human being. And yes he'll make gaffes. But unlike a certain ex-President, he'll kind of own up to them.

Mark

[vaberella]

81. Thank you for this. Even in Europe they have majorly right wing vs. left wing news. n/t

[Hekate]

64. Short answer: no he's not. nt

[Hellataz]

65. I like Biden, Gaffes and all

I like his honesty and no Bullshit attitude, he tells it like it is and seems to never have the time for washington spin doctoring. The truth isn't always pretty, but it's still better then constant deception.

[JTFrog]

67. Not at all.

:eyes:

Wish we could say the same about some democrats being an embarrassment to DU.

[RBInMaine]

69. OH WHAT A BUNCH OF SHIT. LET'S STOP PARSING EVERY FUCKING WORD !!

Jesus Christ, let's cut this FOOLISH SHIT !! Is this all people have to do? Parse a person's every fucking utterance? Obama hit is right, and he DID NOT throw this EXCELLENT Vice President under a bus. What a bunch of SHIT !! All Biden was saying was that there are no perfect answers to the problems, and that there is risk with whatever course of action in taken in this unprecedented situation. He was being HONEST and REAL !! Obama has essentially said that exact same thing. Did Bush and his assholes EVER ONCE show such HONESTY !! Remember how sweet and peachy the Iraq Invasion was supposed to turn out according to those ASSHOLES ! Yes, maybe Biden should not have assigned a numerical value, but let's get off the silly semantics. He was just saying that there is some measure of risk in whatever course is taken, but also that we MUST do SOMETHING and something BIG and BOLD and NOW !! Earlier when he talked about Obama being "tested," MANY on both sides said the EXACT SAME THING about whoever was elected the next president. AND, he went on to say that Obama would pass the "test" with a "spine of steel." So enough of this silly shit. Get a life and move.

[Mass]

70. No, but the media continue to be an embarassment to this country.\nt

[AndrewP]

124. They are complicit in the ruin of our country.

[Adelante]

71. No.

[olegramps]

73. Joe Biden reminds me of Pope John XXIII

Both men, while having positions of great importance, still maintain a sense of humor. For example, a reporter ask Pope John if he was infalliable and John answered smiling, "Infalliable? Infalliable? I am John." The high ranking Church prelates almost had a stroke. He was the one who had the courage to open Vatican II against the opposition of all the conservatives who were determined to maintain the status quo.

[Beacool]

77. He was a great man.

:thumbsup:

[jberryhill]

126. Naw...

The reporter asked him if he was inflammable, and the Pope pulled out a lighter, lit his vestments on fire, and said "Hell, yeah" as the Swiss guard doused him with water.

[dionysus]

75. you just can't help yourself can you?

:rofl:

[Beacool]

76. I already responded to you after post #76.

Though I almost didn't recognize you without the blankie you drag around.

:P

[AtomicKitten]

86. It's a two-fer today: Geithner AND Biden. Woo-hoo!

[Beacool]

95. Oh geez, et tu Kitten?

:eyes:

[AtomicKitten]

118. harrumph

:silly:

[ClarkUSA]

78. Barack has repeatedly said Biden "is the best vice-president anyone could have."

Only someone trying to create divisions and make President Obama look bad would suggest otherwise.

[Beacool]

80. Blame the media.

Everyone has its role:

Obama is "naive"
Biden is a "goofball"
Hillary is a "harpy"

Etc., etc.........

:eyes:

[Jennicut]

82. I agree with that. They stereotype people.

Or at least Dems!

[ClarkUSA]

83. Then why did you post this to DU if you're implying the media is to blame for this garbage?

Oh, by the way, the media is not to blame for coming up with the notion that 'Obama is "naive"'.
Fortunately, the media has been disabused of the notion by now.

[Beacool]

84. Clark, play nice.

;)

[ClarkUSA]

88. I wasn't aware of doing anything but asking a pertinent question.

[Beacool]

91. Your questions are always loaded.

Don't you now act naive.......

:9

[ClarkUSA]

93. How exactly is my question "loaded"? Why don't you just answer it instead of turning it on me?

[Beacool]

94. Oh, Clark................

I posted it because I thought that it was interesting and funny. I seldom add comments to my threads from the onset, I prefer for people to make up their own minds and I'm interested in reading their comments.

[ClarkUSA]

99. You thought the OP was "funny"? Then why did you say "Blame the media" earlier if that is so?

Reply #80: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8187632&mesg_id=8188709

Blame the media.

Everyone has its role:

Obama is "naive"
Biden is a "goofball"
Hillary is a "harpy"

Etc., etc.........

:eyes:

-------------------------------------------------

So you think anti-Democratic media propaganda about Biden being a "goofball" is "interesting and funny"?

[Beacool]

100. Their take was funny.

Biden is a nice guy, but sometimes he would be better off biting his tongue because anything he says will be picked on and dissected by the MSM now that he's VP.

[ClarkUSA]

102. WTF? So you think anti-Democratic "Biden is a goofball" media propaganda is "funny"?

Therefore, if and when someone at DU posts an OP about a news story where Jack Cafferty or any other journalist calls Hillary
a "harpy" or something similarly derogatory then I'm sure you'll be okay with it as long as that someone says they thought
the journalist's "take was... interesting and funny."

[Beacool]

106. Oh yeah, like that hasn't happened before

and some people over here ate it with a spoon........

:eyes:

Got to go to a meeting.

Ciao!!!

:hi:

[ClarkUSA]

107. You're still refighting the primaries, it seems... I'm talking about NOW. The elections are over.

Too bad you can't seem to move on. Two wrongs don't make a right, especially when the rest of us are looking to the future.
We should all be supporting our President and VP, not posting anti-Dem propaganda OPs.

Just remember, if someone posts an "Hillary is a harpy" OP in the future, I expect that you'll be understanding of their "interesting
and funny" rationale for posting it.

[Jennicut]

117. Yeah, plus what did Joe ever do to Hillary?

He has said in the past that he loves her like a sister and during the election said she would have made a great VP.

[Beacool]

119. Geez, this place is amazing.

How many times do I have to say that I like Biden? He and Hillary have been friends for years. Is this how it's going to be for the next 4 years? No one can bring an article that's not 100% laudatory without being pilloried?

:eyes:

[Alexander]

123. Yep. Imagine that, people here have memories.

"How many times do I have to say that I like Biden?"

Saying the same thing a million times doesn't make it any more believable.

[Alexander]

120. You win the thread.

:thumbsup:

[Beacool]

121. Figures YOU would think so................

:eyes:

[Alexander]

122. I notice when certain people repeatedly attack Democrats.

Especially when those certain people never really supported the Democrats they're attacking.

I know, I know, the phrase "attention span" is completely foreign to you.

[Orsino]

79. As opposed to Cheney, of course...

...who was merely corrupt and evil. But he wasn't embarrassing to the president, who was also corrupt and evil.

Biden as embarrassment? Media unable to find anything else to type are the embarrassment.

[Bake]

85. Biden does tend to "shoot from the hip" and sometimes he misfires.

But his heart and his head are in the right place! We knew that up front about Joe.

Bake

[tigereye]

87. I like how honest Biden is and how open - also he tends to be pragmatic

and a "wise-guy."

I hope he won't stifle himself TOO much.

[SalviaBlue]

89. That seems to be Corp media's take... Therefore, no.

[Beacool]

90. We got 1 Yes and many overwhelming Noes

Therefore, Biden is a keeper.

:7

[WI_DEM]

92. The MSM have to create something.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

96. I thought I was the only one who picked on Obama's demeanor.

I knew that the M$M was going to make a big deal out of it eventually. x(

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

97. The media has always hated Joe Biden because he speaks his mind.

They have always given him a hard time, asserting that he makes too many gaffes. I never thought that of him; he speaks his mind and says what he believes. I respect that so much about him. There's no gaffe. That's a man who's straight up honest!!!!

[AspenRose]

101. D.C. Definition of a "gaffe"

http://www.deadissue.com/archives/2005/12/06/dc-definintion-of-a-gaffe/

“when you tell the truth and they think you shouldn’t have.”

[TheWraith]

98. Frankly, Obama said the same thing in softer words.

Specifically, that there was no guarantee everything would work the way they intended it to.

[Politicalboi]

104. I would be more concerned

That President Obama wants to have cocktails on Wednesday's. If Joe gets too many in him there's no telling where that could go.

[AspenRose]

108. Except he doesn't drink.

[Jennicut]

116. That's right, and he had a lot of alcoholics in his family

[Life Long Dem]

109. Bittergate2 or Percentgate30?

[ChiciB1]

112. I Stopped Watching Anything On CNN A Long Time Ago... BUT I Did Check

in to see what question Jack posed. I guess I will NO LONGER do even that!!!

LEAVE JOE BIDEN ALONE!! He IS NOT a problem, I LOVE Joe Biden, he was my 2nd CHOICE for POTUS!!

What have we become in this country??? A-Rod and a SLEW of other athletes use PERFORMANCE ENHANCING drugs and GET NOTHING done to them. Michael Phelps uses a drug that one could only categorize as an UNDER-Performance enhancer and he's getting dragged through the mill!

Hey you MEDIA WHORES... have any of you for ONE MOMENT given any thought to the fact that Michael Phelps must be SUPERMAN because what he achieved was FAR superior to those others, and he wasn't ON SPEED!

Sorry, for the rant but I'm STILL having to deal with Bank of America about money they owe me and I couldn't sleep last night! Actually got up and wrote them ANOTHER letter at 4:00 A.M. and faxed it to them by 5:00 A.M.!

It's on to Michael Moore now and his upcoming Bailout Movie!!!

[HOLOS]

113. Early feeling was that Joe/Jill Biden were trying to up stage Pres. O

Jill gave Joe a puppy b/4 O's daughters puppy...Jill said Joe was also offered Scty. of State (upstaging HRC),
and Joe saying he wanted to be the last decider in the Situation room...His mannerisms were way over done it seemed.

Of course it is hard to lose twice for pres.

[Clear Blue Sky]

114. Biden speaks his mind, unlike most in DC...nt

[Proud Liberal Dem]

127. Right

:eyes:

Unfortunately, for the corporate whore media, no matter HOW MUCH they want it to be so, Biden will, sadly, never rise to the same level of embarrassment as Bush did as President or Sarah Palin did as a VP nominee (it still feels surreal thinking about the fact that Biden actually had a "debate" with her and people took it seriously).

[Danger Mouse]

129. Biden would have to work awful hard to even come close to Bush in terms of gaffes.