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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 11:09 PM
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It's Time For Partisanship! President Obama should follow Abe Lincoln's Example not Harry Reid's
Edited on Thu Feb-12-09 11:16 PM by Better Believe It
The Democrats just hated the old radical Republican Abe Lincoln.

He was so partisan!

Those radical Republicans forced reconstruction and democracy on the South.

The Republican Party was so partisan!

Horrible.

Where was the love and bi-partisanship between slave owner and slave, north and south, Democratic and Republican?

Bi-partisanship could have prevented one of the greatest and most progressive chapters of American history, Radical Reconstruction.

Fortunately that didn't happen. Abe Lincoln and the Republican Party were just too partisan!

So President Obama needs to become like Abe Lincoln, a militant partisan for the people!

Forget the bi-partisanship nonsense.

We don't need the Congressional Republicans for anything.

They are obstructionists!

And they can't use a filibuster to their advantage if Democrats don't let them!

If the Republicans actually organize a Senate floor filibuster on legislation the Democrats have the following options.

1. Surrender to a Republican filibuster and withdraw the legislation after one or a few "failed" cloture votes.

2. Agree to Republican demands and weaken legislation to the point of being ineffective.

3. Let the Republicans filibuster until the public tired of Republican obstructionism and 60 Senators finally agree to end debate and proceed with an up and down vote for new legislation.

4. Use the so-called "nuclear option" in which the Senate simply and easily changes Senate rules which would require 51 votes to pass legislation and prohibit Republican filibusters.

So what really is the "nuclear option" which scared the crap out of Senator Reid and other Democratic Senators in 2005?

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In U.S. politics, the nuclear option is an attempt by the presiding officer of the United States Senate to end a filibuster by majority vote, as opposed to 60 senators voting to end a filibuster. Although it is not provided for in the formal rules of the Senate, the procedure is the subject of a 1957 parliamentary opinion and has been used on several occasions since. The term was coined by Senator Trent Lott (Republican of Mississippi) in 2005

The Nuclear Option is used in response to a filibuster or other dilatory tactic. A senator makes a point of order calling for an immediate vote on the measure before the body, outlining what circumstances allow for this. The presiding officer of the Senate, usually the vice president of the United States or the president pro tempore, makes a parliamentary ruling upholding the senator's point of order. The Constitution is cited at this point, since otherwise the presiding officer is bound by precedent. A supporter of the filibuster may challenge the ruling by asking, "Is the decision of the Chair to stand as the judgment of the Senate?" This is referred to as "appealing from the Chair." An opponent of the filibuster will then move to table the appeal. As tabling is non-debatable, a vote is held immediately. A simple majority decides the issue. If the appeal is successfully tabled, then the presiding officer's ruling that the filibuster is unconstitutional is thereby upheld. Thus a simple majority is able to cut off debate, and the Senate moves to a vote on the substantive issue under consideration. The effect of the nuclear option is not limited to the single question under consideration, as it would be in a cloture vote. Rather, the nuclear option effects a change in the operational rules of the Senate, so that the filibuster or dilatory tactic would thereafter be barred by the new precedent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 11:15 PM
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1. (facepalm)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 11:17 PM
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2. I felt that.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 11:22 PM
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3. Facepalm indeed!
Edited on Thu Feb-12-09 11:25 PM by Better Believe It


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Baltoman991 Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 11:41 PM
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4. You posted
this same exact wikipedia crap last night under a different titled thread.

Tell me, are you going to, on a daily basis, tell us how badly President Obama sucks because your choice didn't win the primary?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 11:47 PM
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6. He didn't have a choice in the primary. He bashed everyone.
He's just a bitter, negative person who does nothing here but shit on Democrats.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 12:05 AM
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7. You're now on ignore. What you wrote is total b.s. I supported Obama, not Hillary
You are now on ignore.
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Baltoman991 Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 12:07 AM
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8. I would
say thank you but you probably wouldn't see it.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 11:47 PM
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5. Lincoln famously filled his cabinet with Democrats, and appointed Democrats as his generals.
Edited on Thu Feb-12-09 11:49 PM by Occam Bandage
He also was very, very wishy-washy on slavery and on the conduct of the war, fearing alienating the border states. Republicans and abolitionists frequently called him a turncoat, a traitor, and a milquetoast. He ran on a very partisan platform, but ceased to be anything of the sort in office.

He fought the war, yes. He did not give on the destruction of the Union, but was willing to give ground on anything else so long as he thought that would help to preserve the nation.
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