Also from the same artist

[thewiseguy]

Did NY Post defend this one too? Or did we have a poll on DU to vote whether the cartoon is homophobic?

[cherokeeprogressive]

1. Unless the sheep is in drag, I don't see any homophobia in this cartoon. n/t

[Beacool]

2. Nope, Al Sharpton didn't give a crap about that one.

Nor about all the lame cartoons that skewered other Democrats.

:eyes:

[Barack_America]

5. In Sharpton's defense, I don't see how this (tasteless) cartoon suggests violence...

....whereas the chimpanzee cartoon most certainly does.

So, IMO, the chimpanzee cartoon is worse.

[Beacool]

7. I stopped listening to Sharpton ever since the Tawana Brawley fiasco.

He's always overreacting about something.

:eyes:

[Barack_America]

8. Then how did you know that Sharpton wasn't offended by the other cartoons? nt

[Beacool]

10. Because he didn't open his mouth about them.

:eyes:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. By that logic, you're a racist.

Since you're attacking Sharpton for opening his mouth over this racist cartoon.

Not that I agree with your logic.

[Beacool]

13. Look, for anyone around this area we are used to Sharpton and his B.S.

He's no Rev. Jackson, he loves to rile the masses and cause fake outrage over some issue or another.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. Well now there's the pot calling the kettle black.

[Beacool]

26. Who, moi?

:shrug:

[MadBadger]

15. How would you know if you stopped listening?

lol

[Beacool]

27. Well, you can't help hear the guy on TV

or read about him in the local papers. He's cried wolf so many times that now when he has a valid point many people tend to dismiss him. He should pick his fights more carefully.

:eyes:

[ecstatic]

33. Rape accusations should always be taken seriously

Even when the accused are white cops.

[Beacool]

34. I agree, but there were holes in her story

big enough to drive a truck through. Sharpton was too intent on continuing his crusade against the cops to stop and analyze the case with a cold head. I'll stop and listen to Rev. Jackson, but Sharpton has become a bit of a joke.

[ecstatic]

31. Why didn't you step up to the plate? He is only one man

He can't be everywhere at once. And obviously a violent, racist cartoon against the first black president should be confronted head on. :eyes: Al Sharpton has spoken out against discrimination of the LGBT community, BTW.

[tekisui]

3. I never saw that one, but find it disgusting and offensive as well.

That one also does not carry any violent message.

[ClassWarrior]

37. No kidding. I don't think folks from New Jersey would be too fond of that portrayal.

NGU.

[DevonRex]

4. It's obviously homophobic, just as the other is obviously racist. The toonist intended the double

meaning and we'd be dumb to defend him.

[bunnies]

6. Seems more sheepfuckerphobic to me...

:hide:

[biopowertoday]

16. I though against beatiality when I saw it. NOT homophobic at all.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. Oh, absolutely.

The fact that it came immediately after the New Jersey supreme court recognized that the Constitution protects homosexuals is a pure coincidence.

:crazy:

[Occam Bandage]

20. Just as the fact that the current cartoon came the day after a chimp was shot

is pure coincidence having nothing to do with the intent of the comic.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

21. Are you actually trying to argue the cartoon isn't racist?

Because you keep omitting the cartoonist's history of bigotry.

[Occam Bandage]

23. Depends on what you mean by that.

I will agree that the cartoon is monumentally racially insensitive. I will agree that the paper should apologize for it. I will agree that people are entirely justified in reading the chimp as Obama. I will agree that there is a long history of African-Americans being depicted as apes in racist imagery, and that a person would have to be quite bigoted to not be wary of that. I will agree that the cartoonist is a bigot.

I will disagree when you say that the comic is racially malevolent in intent, because unlike the comic in this thread, a bigoted viewpoint is unnecessary for the comic to make sense. The joke in the comic above is that sexually reprehensible behavior has been legalized, so equally sexually reprehensible behavior may as well have been. This is a bigoted and cruel viewpoint, and the comic is nothing but a nonsequitur unless you accept that viewpoint.

The joke in the comic printed today is that the stimulus bill is so bad it may as well have been written by a deranged ape, such as the deranged ape that was shot yesterday. It is certainly possible and hardly unsupported to infer the further joke, "Obama is an ape, as are all black men" from that, but it's an extra step provided by the viewer rather than one contained in the comic. I think it's fully debatable whether that step was intended. Certainly it is not necessary to believe it has been. I personally believe it was not, and that the crime here is one of omission of sensitivity, rather than commission of malevolence.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. So... it's accidently racist.

The author didn't realize what he was drawing when he drew it.

Is that what you're saying?

And the homophobic stuff?

[Occam Bandage]

25. No, the author was fully aware of what he was drawing:

he was drawing a chimpanzee that had been shot, because that was an interesting front-page news story, and if you look through his recent record, he is a fan of jamming references to the stimulus bill into other interesting front-page news stories. He probably did not think there was anything wrong with drawing an ape in a cartoon referencing a bill proposed by Obama because he is most likely bigoted and therefore racially insensitive.

Again, though, I believe racism is a sin of intent, and I strongly doubt that the cartoon has racially malignant intent, mostly because the cartoon does not require it for the joke, unlike the homophobic cartoon you reference.

[ClassWarrior]

38. What's "the joke?" What's the connection between the two events? You're defending it...

...so explain it.

NGU.

[Cal Carpenter]

28. Oh man I laughed so hard when I read that!

:thumbsup:

:hide:

[phleshdef]

9. For those too dense to get it, its comparing gay marriage to bestiality.

[cherokeeprogressive]

30. I thought it was RIDICULING those who would make any such comparison.

I must be more denser than I thoughted.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

32. Apparently.

http://gawker.com/5155855/ten-vile-cartoons-from-sean-delonas

[cherokeeprogressive]

35. I set myself up for that one.

I will stand by my statement though that to me it seemed to be a swipe at homophobes, rather than a display of same.

There is no date on the cartoon. I'm willing to make a bet that it was drawn very soon after some fundie or another said something to the effect of (I paraphrase) "if we let men marry men, then soon they'll be wanting to marry sheep". I seem to remember something to that effect making its way into the news.

Tell me. Is it "Pron" on purpose, or did you do that by mistake?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. It was published shortly after...

the New Jersey supreme court ruled that Constitutional protections applied to homosexuals as well as everybody else.

[cherokeeprogressive]

39. Granted. But do you recollect there being a controversy because some fundie claimed it would be

a slippery slope ending in humans marrying animals?

On the other question, no answer is the best answer ;-)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. Obviously this is all about the sheep fucking that was in the news.

Has absolutely nothing to do with homophobia.

:crazy:

[KittyWampus]

14. Also from same artist. He drew what a LOT of DU'ers said about Sanjay Gupta

[Occam Bandage]

18. No, that's pretty clearly homophobic. Alert Rev. Al!

[CitizenPatriot]

22. this guy is full of hate and uses his cartoons to

spew his hate, with the usual GOP "cover" of "humor" and "satire". Is this funny? Not to me. Not one bit.

He also apparently has issues with animals and likes to equate people to animals, which I guess is his way of insulting them; but I'm thinking he would be lucky to be on par with an animal. Edited to add: He thinks he's making fun of gay marriage? I think he's made an ass out of himself.

I thought we all learned in grade school the difference between mean humor and fun humor. Other examples of failure to get it:

* New York baker sells ‘Drunken Negro Head’ cookies for Inauguration Day.
* Racist GOP mailing depicts Obama surrounded by KFC, watermelon, and food stamps.
* ‘Obama Waffles’ featuring racist, stereotyped images sold at Values Voter Summit.
* GOP convention button asks, ‘If Obama is president…will we still call it the White House?’
* Website peddles racially-charged ‘Sock Obama’ toy.

[Peacetrain]

29. Someone pass the Tums...this guy is nothing but heartburn on a page