Madonna on Front Page of MSNBC

[Jack_Dawson]

Laugh if you want - but Madonna generates buzz. Nice work, General.

www.msnbc.com

[Hep]

1. At least I can thank her for displacing britney

n/t

[KissMyAsscroft]

2. Why is it called Bush-Bashing if you support a Dem?

I don't remember the media labeling it Clinton-bashing or Gore-bashing for supporting Bush.

[Jack_Dawson]

3. Because MSNBC is a RW whore

Same ol' same old.

[Hep]

4. Unless they criticize Dean

don't leave that caveat out

[TheWatcher]

5. This Is The Mentality We Are Up Against......

Madonna’s support of Clark has elicited ridicule in some circles. “She’s the one who starred in ‘Swept Away’ so we should trust her judgment, right?” quips one Bush supporter.....

Exactly WHAT does a MOVIE that someone starred in have to do with choosing who to take the Political Reins in this country.....This a PERFECT example of the non-thinking, almost PROUD ignorance we are up against.....These people are PROUD to be stupid, and are viloently against the idea of ANYONE thinking for themselves or having an original thought.....

These people get anrgy at the idea of anyone who dares think for themselves and doesn't allow someone else to tell them what to think.....

In the end, it may not be the Bush Administration that destroys this country.....

It may be the stupidity and enabling of it's own citizens.....

They CAN'T Wake Up.....

They WON'T Wake Up.....

Even if we DO pull off a victory this year, how in the WORLD are we ever going to co-exist with one another with such utter, raw division....

I will NOT Give Up Hope, but GOOD LORD....

[Hep]

30. The thing is this:

Celebrity does not bring about political credibility by default. Some celebrities make politics a way of life. They engage regularly, and we get the chance to give or deny them credibility over a long period of time based on whether ot not they make asses of themselves.

Lots of celebrities fall into this category. Madonna, for the most part, doesn't. Not for me. If she endorses Clark, then great for Clark, no doubt. But I'm not sure if I'm ready to defend madonna as having a depth of understanding about liberalism or democratic values. Frank Zappa blows her away.

Madonna has a huge platform from which to speak, as her endorsement of Clark shows, but I wonder why she hasn't used this platform for anything but self promotion for the most part. I would have more respect for her political opinions had she done more with the opportunities she's had. I'm more than open to entertain evidence of her political side if you can share any.

[Ilsa]

6. Madonna's endorsement holds more water

IMO than Britney Spears' comments that we should "trust" Shrub.

I'm not a big fan of Madonna. But I do see her as being intelligent and surprising well-rounded in her reading, etc. She has done much personal work in exploring ancient philosophies and determining how they fit in her life. I think she has matured a great deal since making her Erotica crap. Her concerns and comments about this election are well-spoken, IMO.

[DBoon]

7. Madonna can't hold political views

But a former body-builder whose acting experience consists of playing cave-men and robots can run for governor and get treated as a strong decisive leader

[oasis]

8. Excellent point (n/t)

[Hep]

9. Actually, it's not.

So either you think that Ahhhnold deserves his status as uberpolitician or you believe previously apolitical celebrities should stay out of it. One or the other.

[Jack_Dawson]

10. Actually, it is

It's pointing out hypocrisy.

[Hep]

11. On who's part?

Republicans thought arnie was decent, not me. I don't think Madonna OR Arnie are woth a political shit. No hypocrite here. So who exactly are you referring to as a hypocrite? Either republicans who lambaste madonna, which hasn't happened here, or democrats who supported arnie which hasn't happened here. So explain it, PLEASE.

[Jack_Dawson]

12. On the part of repuke pundits

Dismissing Madonna's views.

[Hep]

13. Well OK then

So it's not a good point since repukes aren't even allowed here. He was addressing womething that doesn't exist here. He didn't even post a repukes dismissal of madonnas view for us to go by.

Pretty shoddy work, IMO.

[Toucano]

29. See post #5

In which a republican is quoted.

[returnable]

15. Actually, it's apples and oranges

Madonna's not running for politcal office.

She's simply stating her opinion.

That's a big difference.

[Beearewhyain]

17. Thanks

I was just about to say that.

[Democrats unite]

14. I value her endorsement as much as anyone else's

It's one more vote for CLark & for those who won't admit, she does have followers.

[Hep]

16. She has followers?

You mean like Jim Jones?

I want to meet the person who gets his/her political ideas from Madonna.

[Jack_Dawson]

18. People buy books because Literary Genius Oprah tells them to

And those people have one vote, just like you and me. I welcome Madonna's endorsement.

[Hep]

19. Madonna's endorsement is fine

but I wouldn't exactly be proud of any supporter who chose my candidate because madonna told her to. I mean it's a vote, and that's important. But I'm more interested in someone who changes the way people LOOK at politics. Madonna isn't that.

That's sort of the way Clark's campaign model works though.

[Jack_Dawson]

20. Appealing only to political junkies will not win elections

You know it and I know it. I really don't care *why* someone votes for Clark, I just want the vote.

If Madonna can reach people that Judy Woodruff can't, so be it.

I already KNOW why Clark needs to win the nomination. Now we need to get the word out.

[RafterMan]

24. Exaggerate much?

Madonna fans are now the kool-aide drinkers? Sheesh.

I don't give a whip about Madonna but here's what this endorsement can do: get apolitical people to take another look. Maybe all they know about Clark is that he's a General, and picture some glowering Haig-like figure. This really happens.

I don't think many people will blindly follow her advice but it will help humanize him to some people, like a fond letter of introduction to groups that may be skeptical of military types.

That, and the headlines.

And her fat rolodex.

[Hep]

31. Lighten up!

It was a joke. I usually call them FANS not FOLLOWERS.

Madonna is a walking ATM for Clark, and that's great. And she might inspire people to be more political, but I kind of doubt it. I mean, for the most part, she appeals to people that are about as apolitical as you get, especially if American Idol is on.

And I say that as a big fan of Madonna.

It's worth the headlines, and it's worth every vote Clark gets because of it, but it doesn't make pride swell in my heart that anyone might be swayed by what a celebrity tells them.

[SeattleRob]

21. The media

MSRNC and FAUX are all hyping Madonna's endorsement. They are doing this because Clark poses a threat to Bush's re-selection. This is because Clark's numbers are rising. This is the same reason they are attacking Dean. I am a Dean supporter, but I like the General and would be happy to cast a vote for him if he gets the nomination. My point is that all of us Democrats, no matter whom we support, need to stick together.

:dem:

[Jack_Dawson]

22. Agreed n/t

[maddezmom]

23. good more press for the General

;)

[Forkboy]

25. Nothing against Madonna

but if I was a Repug I could think of a million ways to use this against Clark. :shrug:

[RossMcLochNess]

26. Is is just me...

or are there other people out there that feel that all celebrities/entertainers/etc. should just shut the hell up because their opinion/view is not based on any more knowledge than I already possess? Who do all these people think they are?

Does Madonna care who I support? Hell no, because in terms of politics, I'm an average guy who keeps himself educated but I'm no political genius. Therefore, why should I (or anyone else) care who Madonna (or any other celebrity) endorses? If you ask me, any entertainer that shares their views are just starving for more attention. Shut up, already.

[Forkboy]

27. No they shouldn't shut up

but one would be wise not to take them too seriously either.

[Hep]

32. The best single sentence post ever.

Thanks!

[WilliamPitt]

28. Reagan: "What does an actor know about politics?"

After Ed Asner, President of the Screen Actor's Guild, criticized him and his administration.

Hmmm...

[SeattleRob]

33. wait... It depends on the actors...

If you watch FAUX they go on an on about those crazy folks from Hollywood, whose secularism is ruining our society.

If the actor is a Republican, however, that's different. They are more thoughtful - just like the Herr Gropenfuher.