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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 06:11 PM
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*OLC Torture Memos Update*: A Positive Sign from Obama DOJ
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 06:56 PM by chill_wind


A Positive Sign from Justice

By Daphne Eviatar 2/18/09 6:49 AM

It’s hard to divine the Justice Department’s intentions on almost anything these days, given that Attorney General Eric Holder has barely been in office two weeks and doesn’t even have all of his senior staff yet. But if I were trying to read the tea leaves, I’d say we got a good sign yesterday.

As I wrote last week, in a particularly important Freedom of Information Act case, the Justice Department asked for a three-month extension to decide whether it would turn over three particularly critical Office of Legal Counsel memos that the American Civil Liberties Union has been pushing for. (The memos could help determine whether Bush administration officials broke the law.) Never mind that the FOIA case has been pending for more than five years, and with only three memos involved, it’s unlikely that it would really take the department’s lawyers that long to decide whether they fall within the handful of exceptions allowed by FOIA to prevent the release of government documents. So Judge Alvin Hellerstein of the U.S. District Court in New York City, who was obviously annoyed, scheduled a hearing Wednesday to set a date certain for the government to respond.

Whether to avoid a public scolding, or just realizing that it will be hard to defend needing 90 days to review three memos, the Justice Department yesterday agreed to respond within 30 days — a much more reasonable alternative that the ACLU readily agreed to.

So now, the Department of Justice will have to decide by March 16 whether, in keeping with Obama’s promises and in this new spirit of cooperation, it will turn over those OLC memos, which reportedly authorized some of the Bush administration’s most brutal interrogation methods. Then again, the Obama Justice Department is still staffed largely by Bush-era career staff holdovers. And a cynic might read today’s move as their conclusion that 30 days was all they needed to reinforce their fight to keep hiding the evidence.

http://washingtonindependent.com/30520/a-postive-sign-from-justice




Let us hope Mr. Holder really will release these by then, and is just trying to get braced for the Bush/GOP shitstorm, rather than stonewalling 30 days at a time. Because we've known the new DOJ had already appeared to have reviewed these documents and had begin writing up a new internal report as far back as 2/14, the same time it was reported that they were asking a judge for 90 more days' delay for further study (request filed 2/11) :




A Torture Report Could Spell Big Trouble For Bush Lawyers
(Isikoff/Newsweek)

By Michael Isikoff | NEWSWEEK
Published Feb 14, 2009

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x425340


That he disturbingly has to preside over such a large Bush era held-over DOJ still makes it unclear how this will all unfold.
Those beneath him can't be at all happy in the meantime that the UK may be airing an awful lot of revelations about US torture crimes- during their Bush reign- in the ongoing UK legal/media publicity surrounding Binyam Mohamad. Events ongoing there might just begin to force hands here sooner than imagined.

Congress will not be able to continue to pretend they can't read newspapers anywhere but here in the U.S., and they won't be able to let someone like Leon Panetta get away with statements ever again in the future like the ones he made around his confirmation, when he said he wasn't aware of any validity to the claims about CIA torture flights. IF Binyam gets his day in the UK courts, which was effectively denied in the US Courts when the CIA torture flights case, of which he was a victim got thrown out on 2/9 under the alleged protection of US states secrets.

Previously:




Obama DOJ Delays Responding to Request for Key OLC Memos Re Torture and Interrogation Policies

By Daphne Eviatar 2/14/09 6:07 PM

The Obama administration, under pressure to turn over key memos written by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, has asked the federal judge in New York for another 90 days to consider its position on a Freedom of Information Act case brought by a coalition of civil liberties advocates. But the judge may not be inclined to grant the request.

As I reported earlier, the three memos at issue were written by then-OLC director Steven Bradbury and reportedly authorized abusive interrogations of suspected terrorists and decided that such extreme tactics would not violate the law. The Bush administration repeatedly refused to turn them over, but given President Obama’s promises to open government and increase disclosure under FOIA, the Justice Department now is under considerable pressure to change its position and release the documents, which could be critical to any future investigations or prosecutions of Bush officials.

The New York Times reported in October 2007 that the memos provided “explicit authorization to barrage terror suspects with a combination of painful physical and psychological tactics, including head-slapping, simulated drowning and frigid temperatures.” These did not, the memos concluded, amount to “cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment” — which would have been banned by international law, as well as a bill Congress was then considering.

The American Civil Liberties Union, which sued for the memos along with several other organizations, argues the memos don’t fall under an exception to FOIA because they constitute adopted policy, not confidential legal advice. Although the ACLU agreed to give the Justice Department some additional time to respond to the request, it argued in court this week that 90 days is too long. The case has already been going on for more than five years.





http://washingtonindependent.com/30350/obama-doj-delays-responding-to-request-for-key-olc-memos-re-torture-and-interrogation-policies

March 16 will tell us something very important.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 07:30 PM
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1. Thanks for this info and analysis! I wonder if this El Salvadoran case is relevant.
http://www.cja.org/cases/romagoza.shtml

...in which the 11th Circuit ruled positively on the responsibility of commanders for human rights violations committed on their watch that they failed to investigate or covered up.

"The verdict was a landmark victory for human rights litigation. It was one of the first cases in which a jury in a fully contested trial found perpetrators liable for human rights abuses solely under the doctrine of command responsibility. The doctrine allows military commanders and other superiors to be held responsible for abuses committed by subordinates under their effective control, if the commanders knew or should have known the abuses were taking place, and failed to take all reasonable measures to prevent the abuses or punish the perpetrators."

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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 08:50 PM
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2. Thank you. I did not know about this. n't
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appleannie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 09:25 PM
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3. Thanks for the update. Here is hoping the decision is positive
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 10:34 PM
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4. I'm becoming guardedly hopeful again. How much better it would be
if we decided not to let another nation do for us what we've lacked the moral will to do for ourselves.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 07:42 AM
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5. I hope Dawn Johnsen in the OLC will carry the day
as she was adamant in doing something about the bad behavior inside the bush DOJ and OLC.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 01:44 PM
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8. Dawn Johnsen + Marty Lederman = VERY good news.
Mark Gitenstein....another possible WTF?

http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-justice5-2009feb05,0,7215699.story?track=rss

But 2 out of 3 = awesomely hopeful.

:hi:



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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 06:21 PM
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15. Yep
:hi:
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 01:26 PM
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6. Final decisions and actions surrounding these critical memos will be
the mother of all truth-telling moments about our new government's DOJ's commitment to truth- AND justice. They are KEY.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 01:31 PM
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7. Fingers crossed. n/t
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 01:53 PM
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9. Fingers and toes! n/t
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 02:13 PM
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10. Where are the whiny assholes who said Obama was another Bush II on torture now?
Edited on Tue Feb-24-09 02:13 PM by ClarkUSA
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EraOfResponsibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 05:40 PM
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11. For real
but trust me, they'll come up with another reason why this is "more of the same"
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 05:44 PM
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12. I'm completely and totally agnostic on that.
There's absolutely no evidence either way yet; tea leaves and chicken entrails would tell us as much as all these vague reports of general opinions on complex cases and timelines for review have.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 05:51 PM
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 06:23 PM
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16. My, my, what a nasty personal attack you just launched. Gee, I wonder why YOU'RE so defensive?
Edited on Tue Feb-24-09 06:41 PM by ClarkUSA
Did my arrow hit its mark? :rofl:

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-24-09 05:55 PM
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14. It's hard to underestimate what an effin' mess the OLC and DoJ were in
when Obama took office. The economy must look like a piece of pie in comparison.

Thanks, chill_wind.
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