This is birth certificate BS has led at least one soldier to insubordination, its getting DANGEROUS

[wndycty]

I am so sick of this shit. Could you imagine what would have happened had folks on the left pulled this shit under GW? We would have been labeled anti-American and feared for our lives. But for some reason these dumb fucks are not facing any serious blow back for how much they are attempting to undermine the President of the United States. When you have active duty soldiers questioning the eligibility of the president that lays the ground for potential moody.


I know its World Net Daily, however what they are reporting is a grave action. It is one thing to be a conscientious objector its an ABSOLUTE different thing to question the fitness of the POTUS.

Soldier doubts eligibility, defies president's orders
'As an officer, my sworn oath to support and defend our Constitution requires this'
Posted: February 23, 2009
9:35 pm Eastern
By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

A U.S. soldier on active duty in Iraq has called President Obama an "impostor" in a statement in which he affirmed plans to join as plaintiff in a challenge to Obama's eligibility to be commander in chief.

The statement was publicized by California attorney Orly Taitz who, along with her Defend Our Freedom Foundation, is working on a series of legal cases seeking to uncover Obama's birth records and other documents
that would reveal whether he meets the requirements of the U.S. Constitution.

"As an active-duty officer in the United States Army, I have grave concerns about the constitutional eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama to hold the office of president of the United States," wrote Scott Easterling in a "to-whom-it-may-concern" letter.

Obama "has absolutely refused to provide to the American public his original birth certificate, as well as other documents which may prove or disprove his eligibility," Easterling wrote. "In fact, he has fought every attempt made by concerned citizens in their effort to force him to do so."
-snip-

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=89837

[babylonsister]

1. Cripes, for an 'officer' he's pretty damned stoopid.

I guess the google is unknown to him.

[Hepburn]

10. From the California State Bar:

Orly Taitz - #223433
Current Status: Active
This member is active and may practice law in California.

See below for more details.

Profile Information
Bar Number 223433
Address 26302 La Paz #211
Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Phone Number [phone]
Fax Number [phone]
e-mail Not Available
District District 8 Undergraduate School Hebrew Univ; Jerusalem Israel
County Orange Law School William Howard Taft Univ; Santa Ana CA

http://members.calbar.ca.gov/search/member_detail.aspx?x=223433

I have NEVER heard of the William Howard Taft University...and I went to law school in Orange County, CA, where this thing is supposedly located.

:shrug:

I am guessing a correspondence school and not a real law school with trial practice, etc., courses.

[PatGund]

27. Close....

It's a "Distance Learning" (i.e. on-line) Law School, and as such is not accredited by the ABA. California is the only state that allows students of on-line law schools to sit for and take the bar.

Dr. Orly (she's a dentist as well) is one of the lawyers for Alan Keyes case, was the attorney in the rejected by the Supreme Court case Lightfoot v Bowen, and has another case she's trying to get together with State representatives from OK, TN, MI, and NH so far. She's also had been trying to get together her military case, (WND lies, she's been openly calling for service personnel to join her case.) for a while, but all she's gotten has been retired personnel.

[Hepburn]

31. Thanks for the info....

...IMO, she is an idiot.

The facts are: There is a valid birth certificate produced by the State of Hawaii itself. Dr. Lawyer needs to got back and drill teeth and stop the legal bullshit.

Reminds me of when my husband ~~ also a lawyer ~~ had a case where opposing counsel was both a lawyer and an MD. After a deposition wherein Hubbie had been accompanied by an MD, the conversation on their walk back to the car went like this:

MD: "I sure as hell hope he is a better lawyer than he is a doctor."

Hubbie: "I was hoping he is a better doctor than he is a lawyer."

History repeats....:hi:

[PatGund]

46. Indeed.....

As I said, Dr. Orly has been trying to get service personnel on her lawsuits for a while.

http://defendourfreedoms.org/ATTENTIONALLMILITARYPERSONNEL.htm

'I agree to be a plaintiff in the legal action to be filed by Orly Taitz, Esq. in a PETITION FOR A DECLARATORY JUDGEMENT THAT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT of the U.S., nor TO BE COMMANDER IN CHIEF of the U.S. ARMED FORCES, in that I am or was a sworn member of the U.S. military (subject to recall), and therefore when serving as an active member of the military, I would be unable to follow any orders given by a Constitutionally unqualified Commander In Chief, since by doing so I would be subject to charges of aiding and abetting fraud and committing acts of treason. "

Not to mention the parents of service personnel

http://defendourfreedoms.org/youngUSsoldier.htm

"Currently my child is serving under the orders of Mr. Obama as Commander in Chief. If my child refuses to take orders issued by Mr. Obama, as illegitimate Commander in Chief, based on the Uniform Code of Military Justice, my child will be subject to a Court-Martial proceeding with punishment up to execution. If my child agrees to take orders from Mr. Obama, he will be following an illegal order, in which case he also will be subject to a Court-Martial proceeding with penalty up to execution.

As a parent, I am greatly concerned about this situation and I would like to be represented in a legal action seeking damages from Mr. Obama and Ms. Pelosi for great emotional distress inflicted upon me by their actions.

I consent to be represented in this action by:

Dr. Orly Taitz, ESQ"

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

2. I don't understand this "has absolutely refused" BS.

He's done it. What more can he do?

[KittyWampus]

3. that soldier, if he really exists, should be court-martialed. This is why Rush is played

over there. And why he must be discontinued.

[jody]

4. Remember 1st Lt. Ehren Watada refused deployment to Iraq claiming an illegal order.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehren_Watada

[wndycty]

5. Yes even though it ended in mistrial he got COURT MARTIALED

:kick:

[jody]

6. Agree, court martial Scott Easterling and let the courts decide the issue. n/t

[nxylas]

11. Yes, but he claimed the order was illegal, not the President

Even though he'd have had more solid ground for the "order was illegal because the President issuing was illegitimate" defense.

[jody]

35. Looks like a perfect case to court martial Easterling. n/t

[zbdent]

7. I thought, as an officer, and your "sworn oath" was to support and defend the Constitution,

that you would have stopped defending Bush's lies and illegal actions ...

[NoPasaran]

8. I guess Lieutenant Eastereling will never be Captain Easterling

[TwilightGardener]

9. If this guy exists, he's in some deep shit.

[Monk06]

12. The test will be when Easterling disobeys an order from his immediate superior based on his

'Misgivings' re the President's qualifications.

In the meantime I see an assignment to a supply

company in Alaska in his future. On a very remote

and cold billet far from the bright lights of

downtown Anchorage.

[dascientist]

43. Will he be able to see Russia from his post?

[Monk06]

13. The test will be when Easterling disobeys an order from his immediate superior based on his

'Misgivings' re the President's qualifications.

In the meantime I see an assignment to a supply

company in Alaska in his future. On a very remote

and cold billet far from the bright lights of

downtown Anchorage.

[HillWilliam]

14. Dangerous? Not so much

It'll start weeding the kooks out and they can march directly to jail or the nutbin where they belong. Good riddance to sorry trash. The majority of us won't miss them -- will even be relieved and glad to be rid of them.

[DevonRex]

23. It is dangerous if this starts some sort of coup.

[HillWilliam]

36. It's starting a few kooks, to be sure

but I really doubt there will be sufficient numbers to start a coup. Let 'em rant and gnash their teeth. Let the courts martial begin. The birthers are less of a threat than the PUMAkooks were and we see how far they got. The Supremes have already slapped down suits and the few pols that have started mouthing off are already marginalizing themselves.

A minority can only be wrong so often until they kook themselves out of existence.

Meh. Fie and a pox on all their houses.

[Number23]

60. "The birthers are less of a threat than the PUMAkooks were"

I can't believe how many people still want to believe this.

How much crazier do these fools have to get before people take them seriously? What has to happen? More attempts on Obama's life?? Ones that actually come close to threatening him or his family??

There was a poster yesterday, I think it was PretzelBill, who said "I want these fools in Guantanamo." That's EXACTLY how I feel. The fact that these people not only are emboldened to keep posting this crap OPENLY and flagrantly on the Internet for the entire world to see with no fear of repercussions lets me know that something is amiss. And more people are lining up to join their idiotic ranks, like this @sshole and some Republican Congresspeople.

Do I think that they are being watched?? I sure do. But I want them to KNOW that they are being watched. A crackle on their home phone lines when they're talking to other Birthers. Long periods of being unable to post messages to their little hate sites and then suddenly being able to post again but with several posts "missing" and no one knows why. Mobile phones suddenly unable to connect to networks. Black Lincoln Town Cars sitting idly a few houses down from theirs. Maybe then these fools will think twice about continuing this foolishness because I honestly believe that if this keeps up, someone will get hurt. And they better pray that it's not our President.

[johnlucas]

15. Court martial his MF'n ass

He'll get his answer then I betcha.

"Fear of a Black President" continues after these messages...
John Lucas

[WeDidIt]

22. PatGund figures the follwoing charges

I was looking at this link

http://www.jag.navy.mil/documents/mcm2008.pdf

I'm counting at least:
888. 88. Contempt toward officials.
892. 92. Failure to obey order or regulation.
933. 133. Conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman.
934. 134. General article.

With possibles on:
889. 89. Disrespect toward superior commissioned officer.
890. 90. Assaulting or willfully disobeying superior commissioned officer.
894. 94. Mutiny or sedition.
917. 117. Provoking speeches or gestures

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[wmbrew0206]

64. Yes and No

Yes to the 88, 92, 94, 117, and 134.

No to 89, 90, and 133,

The President is not considered a "Commissioned Officer" since he has never taken a commission or the oath that commissioned officers take. He is Commander in Chief of the Arm Forces, but not a member of them. To be a "Commissioned Officer: you have to be a member of the Armed Forces, be appointed as an officer, and take the oath of a commissioned officer.

"Conduct Unbecoming" is normally thrown in as a charge when an officer does something stupid that embarrasses his command and/or service. Whether we think this guy is an idiot or not, he is refusing an order because he thinks it is illegal. Officers are normally not charged with refusing a legal order and conduct unbecoming outside a combat zone and when there is not booze involved.

[slackmaster]

16. Easterling is obviously looking for an excuse to get out of the sandbox

And if it's in WND, you know it's bullshit. He's just a coward.

Nothing to see here, move along.

[Renew Deal]

17. That's a crappy way to ruin a military career

Oh well

[jberryhill]

25. But a great way out of Iraq

That much is probably certain.

[Renew Deal]

28. Yup

He just wants out.

[LynnTheDem]

18. How do so many rightwingnuts get so damn dumb?

Arrogant and dumb.

And how fucking embarrassing. Could we just for a while stop making the world laugh at us with total derision???

[Jennicut]

19. If he won't serve the President then kick his ass out of the army.

[WeDidIt]

21. With an enlisted guy doing the same, he'd get a dishonorable

An officer can expect prison time for mutiny.

[Jennicut]

26. Yeah, he really needs to get discharged at the very least.

[lumberjack_jeff]

30. He needs to be made an example.

It's all these idiots will understand.

[DevonRex]

33. I agree. nt

[damonm]

42. Or just give him...

a PCS (Permanent Change of Station) to Ft. Leavenworth, as we used to say in the Air Force.

[Ilsa]

61. Dishonorable discharge for him works for me. nt

[WeDidIt]

20. This idiot will go up on charges of mutiny

amongst others.

He's going to prison. Plain and simple.

[WeDidIt]

24. Drudge has it posted now

Links to World Nut Daily which has made a cottage industry of taking Birther money.

So Drudge is joinging the Birthers now.

[lumberjack_jeff]

29. Televise the court martial. Put a web cam in his cell. n/t

[DevonRex]

34. I wonder if that would help settle the BC matter itself. Or if the nuts would

just come up with some other crazy conspiracy theory about it.

[PatGund]

37. The latter

The wingnuts would come up with another excuse not to believe it. They have in the past when it's pointed out where they're mistaken or wrong. They usually ignore the truth of something of figure out how to explain it away

[WeDidIt]

39. Yep, that's why Donofrio came out of the woodwork

with his nutty "both parents must be citizens when the child is born" bullshit about what defines a Natural Born Citizen (contrary to precedent).

And when it was pointed out that Chester Arthur's father was a British subject when Arthur was born, he made up the shit about Arthur scamming the United States (even though his father's status was well knwn when he was elected Veep).

It's funny that they went after Arthur in the reverse order that the nuts today are going after Obama.

[Peacetrain]

32. Find the backstory on this one.. it should be interesting.. and I think

some right wing looney tunes are going to be singing a different song...just a guess

[firedupdem]

38. They need to start making public examples out of the people who

wish to listen to fat ass rush and the rest and decide this is the route they are going to take. I just read in the Omaha paper that some ass that threatened the president has to get pysch counseling! Fuck that, start locking their asses up like we do drunk drivers, kids with weed etc. The shit needs to be nipped in the bud now!

[WeDidIt]

40. You can blame a lot on Limbaugh

but this ain't one of the things you can blame on him.

HE and Hannity neither one will touch this one with a ten foot pole.

Tells ya how much the Birthers really ahve, doesn't it?

[Politicalboi]

41. Do these assholes think

Hillary would have overlooked something like this. I mean really. Now these fucks are so interested in the Constitution. What about Bush being arrested for Cocaine possession? You can't be President if you have been arrested for drugs. Nobody cared about that even though there was proof. And that you can't be President if you didn't win the election. And let Easterling walk home from Iraq. How can he trust a plane that was sent by an imposter.

[Thothmes]

62. Exactly which article of the U.S. Constitution

makes it illegal for a person convicted of cocaine possession from being the President of the United States. My copy of the Constitution does not seem to have the appropriate section that you must be refering to.

[wmbrew0206]

65. Well, her people did whiff on the whole Rev. Wright thing.

You think that Obama would have finished 1st in Iowa if that tape Hillary's opposition research had found those tapes and released them two days before the caucuses?

[WinkyDink]

44. Definitely court-martial time.

[JVS]

45. I hope they jail him or execute him

[vadawg]

48. wow just wow, execute him really

thats even more fucked up than the dude in the story.

[JVS]

49. It would be fantastic!

[vadawg]

50. And the prelude to mass executions

do you really want to live in a country that would execute this dude.

[JVS]

52. Duh! Yes.

[vadawg]

53. careful what you wish for, for you may be the next against the wall

[JVS]

54. Execution is a possible punishment for what this guy did.

See
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8220809&mesg_id=8221376

[WeDidIt]

56. Not any more

HE didn't do anything considered a capital offense.

But he could spend many years in prison at hard labor.

[JVS]

57. I hope they bring it back for him

[polmaven]

55. Yeah...

It really is. I've got your back on this one vadawg.

[Peace_Sells]

47. Jesus

And we let this crazy fucker have a gun?

[acmavm]

51. Shoot his ass. Just like they did Eddie Slovik (for doing a hell of

a lot less.)

Eddie didn't want out of the service. He wanted to serve. He just refused to kill.

[davepc]

58. Slovik never claimed to be a conscious objector

He didn't want to go into the Hürtgen Forest. Figured he was safer in the stockade then on the line.

Didn't work out so well for him.

[acmavm]

59. Oh well. The shoot this guy twice.

[RamboLiberal]

66. Yep U.S. Army made an example of Slovik

The 28th Division was scheduled to begin an attack in the Hurtgen Forest. The coming attack was common knowledge in the unit, and casualty rates were expected to be very high, as the prolonged combat in the area had been unusually grueling. The Germans were determined to hold, and terrain and weather reduced the usual American advantages in armor and air support to almost nothing. Soldiers indicated they preferred to be imprisoned rather than remain in combat, and the rates for desertion and other crimes had begun to rise.

Slovik was charged with desertion to avoid hazardous duty and court martialed on November 11, 1944. The prosecutor, Captain John Green, presented witnesses to whom Slovik had stated his intention to "run away." The defense counsel, Captain Edward Woods, announced that Slovik had elected not to testify. The nine officers of the court found Slovik guilty and sentenced him to death. The sentence was reviewed and approved by the division commander, Major General Norman Cota.

On December 9, Slovik wrote a letter to the Supreme Allied commander, General Dwight D. Eisenhower, pleading for clemency. However, desertion had become a problem, and Eisenhower confirmed the execution order on December 23. The execution by firing squad was carried out at 10:04 a.m. on January 31, 1945, near the village of Sainte-Marie-aux-Mines. Slovik was 24 years old.

Slovik was buried in Plot E of Oise-Aisne American Cemetery and Memorial in Fère-en-Tardenois, alongside 96 other American soldiers executed for crimes such as murder and rape. Their black headstones bear numbers instead of names, so it is impossible to identify them individually without knowing the key. In 1987, 42 years after his execution, Slovik's remains were returned to Michigan and reburied in Woodmere Cemetery, Detroit, next to his wife Antoinette, who had died in 1979. Although Slovik's wife and others have petitioned seven U.S. presidents for his pardon, Slovik has not been pardoned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Slovik

The Hürtgen Forest cost the U.S. First Army at least 33,000 killed and incapacitated, including both combat and noncombat losses; Germans casualties were between 12,000 and 16,000. Aachen eventually fell on October 22, again at high cost to the U.S. Ninth Army. The Ninth Army's push to the Roer River fared no better, and did not manage to cross the river or wrest control of its dams from the Germans. Hürtgen was so costly that it has been called an Allied "defeat of the first magnitude", with specific credit being assigned to Model.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hurtgen_Forest

Hurtgen Forest was a meatgrinder and from what I've read should have been bypassed and not fought.

[Top Cat]

63. Scary

[stillcool]

67. An empty drum makes the loudest noise