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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-01-09 03:19 PM Original message |
Obama ISN'T a socialist, but to succeed, we as a party need to defend "socialist" values. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-01-09 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
1. My aregument is pretty simple .......... |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-01-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Only one of those fits, imo. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-01-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Exiled is making the usual "any form of socialism has to be Stalinism" mistake. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-01-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. That's not what I am saying at all .......... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-03-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Socialists, even Marxists, aren't bound absolutely by everything Marx said. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-01-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Well, maybe you should ....... |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-01-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Alas, Marx's socialism is not the only socialism. Nor did he found the idea. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-01-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Correct! |
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Jeneral (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-01-09 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
3. After so many recessions |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-01-09 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
5. The Green Party needs to rise up |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-03-09 01:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. We need electoral reform so that all the voices of this country have a full and equal say |
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Fovea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-01-09 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
7. call it what you will, this much is true |
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DemocracyInaction (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-01-09 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
11. The biggest problem in selling socialism |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-03-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. We DO need to define the benefits and we also need to take the leading role in the debate |
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EraOfResponsibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-02-09 04:27 AM Response to Original message |
12. Shit, the more I learn about Socialism, the more I like it |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-03-09 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
15. We need to defend common sense |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-03-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. It is common sense, but we need to defend it even when that common sense is called "socialism". |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-03-09 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
18. He's going to have to become a little more of a socialist before he's done. |
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