Pundits and DU - Its Either (1) Obama is too extreme! or (2) Obama isn't going far enough!

[Median Democrat]

My god! Looking at DU it almost appears that both liberals and conservatives agree that Obama is a terrible President, except for diametrically opposed reasons. Is there any reasoned analysis out there? For example, the state of the economy. Both liberals and conservatives seem to agree that there is some miracle solution that would cure our economic ills in less than 60 days.

Sorry, you're both wrong. The economy is FUBAR thanks to Bush. Obama is not going to fix it in 60 days. Its not going to happen. If you own stocks, then sorry, but the DOW ain't zooming up to 13,000 anytime soon.

Attached is an example of some nice (boring) reasoned analysis based on facts. It has no screams of "Booyah!" or demands of "Nationalization!" Rather, it describes where we are, and notes that there are no easy answers to the banking insolvency crisis.

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Video transcript: How will the economy respond to rescue efforts?
How deep a recession are we facing?

Well, to use the medical analogy, the patient's in serious condition and, as we talked about in previous webcasts, this recession is shaping up to be not only the longest but the deepest in over 70 years. So gross domestic product (GDP) at the end of 2008 contracted the most since the early 1980s, over 6% annualized rate.

And, unfortunately, the data for the first half of 2009 are tracking to be a similar rate of descent. In large part, the reason for that is the number of vicious cycles that are reinforcing each other. So job losses continuing to increase, home values continuing to deteriorate, that's leading to credit availability continuing to contract, and then, finally, financial market instability.

And to put it in perspective, consumers and businesses in particular are pulling back hard. Consumers, all households, have lost what I would estimate as $15 trillion in the value of their assets over the past 18 months. That's more than the entire size of the U.S. economy in one year.

How much will the stimulus bill help the economy?

In my mind, there are two critical factors that will ultimately determine the length of this recession. One is confidence and second is policy. So in terms of the fiscal stimulus package, it's sizeable by almost any measure. It's roughly 6% of GDP. So this $787 billion package is divided into both tax cuts as well as an array of spending initiatives that will kick in at various points in time later this year and into 2010.

Now, is this sufficient in and of itself to propel the economy to a full-fledged recovery? Unfortunately, no. And the reason why I say that is even though $787 billion is an incredible amount of money, we're currently about $1.4 trillion below where our economy would be if we had full employment. So the gap is still sizeable.

That said, in my mind, this fiscal stimulus package, along with an array of other initiatives, will help prevent a more dire outcome, but there is a price to this initiative. And that is the intergenerational trade-off the policymakers are making with higher budget deficits and potentially even higher tax rates decades into the future.

Is the government making progress in resolving the banking crisis?

If policymakers are fighting a war, then it needs to be won actually on three fronts. The first front is housing. The housing market continues to deteriorate, as we've talked about in previous webcasts. Home prices in particular continue to fall as foreclosures continue to rise. Now there have been some important developments that I think in the margin will help slow the rate of descent in home prices, which, again, is really key to the situation.

One is homebuilders have really cut back on construction activity, which should help at the margin to improve the excess inventories on the market. Second are the initiatives addressed around housing demand. So affordability has increased with some proposals through Congress, and the Obama administration really addressed that, increasing refinancing activity for certain households as well as preventing at the margin certain foreclosures.

Now we cannot save everyone, and I think policymakers are beginning to realize that. And I think, ultimately, what we also need to see is lower mortgage rates. We are seeing improvement on that front, but it will still take some time as we go through this year to see some stabilization around housing.

The second front is restoring liquidity in the credit markets, and what I mean by that is just normal functioning of trading and other activity in the fixed income markets and money markets. I think in that front we've seen the most progress. The Federal Reserve in particular has been instrumental in fostering increased liquidity. We've seen that through various aspects of the credit markets, and we're going to see further progress as some other initiatives—such as TALF, or the Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility—get up and running very shortly.

The third front is also the most critical, and that is restoring solvency to certain financial institutions. This is also by far the hardest problem to solve. And so this is where the U.S. Treasury comes into play and how they're going to address the situation of certain so-called toxic assets on the balance sheets of institutions, which—whether we like it or not—are preventing greater creation of capital and credit, which are the life blood of any functioning economy. Without stabilization in the financial markets, in particular without addressing the solvency issue, we will not have a broader economic recovery. So it's going to be instrumental how the Treasury addresses that front in the next several months.

When might the economy start to turn around?

If the consensus forecast is correct, then we should start seeing some modest improvement in the various economic statistics actually by this summer. And I don't mean that all the economic statistics start to increase in terms of rates of growth, but that the rate of decline starts to slow. And we should start to see that across a number of fronts: housing, consumption, as well as industrial and other business activity measures.

I think the most important question is what will the recovery look like once it begins? And let me be clear. The economy will recover as it always has, in part because businesses will need to replenish depleted inventories, and eventually these government policies, which are humongous by any measure, gain traction.

The recovery, unfortunately, will be more tepid than I think the previous recoveries we've seen over the past 50 years. Biggest reason for that is in the past, when the economy recovered, it tended to be generated or propelled by consumer spending, by "dissaving" of households (using their savings for current expenses), and by increasing housing and other highly cyclical industries. I think this time it's going to be much more government-led. It's going to be accompanied, actually, by a rise in the savings rate in this country rather than a fall.

In the long run, that is very good for this economy given how much we have dissaved over the past 20 to 30 years, but, nevertheless, it does mean a more gradual recovery period over the next two or three years.

What is the outlook for the stock market?

So much of the business commentary is focused on the immediate here and now: So has the stock market bottomed, or what is the stock market going to do over, say, the next three or six months? Quite frankly, no one has a crystal ball. I think more importantly for investors to keep in mind is: What is a reasonable, forward-looking, long-term expected return for the various assets that they have in their portfolio?

We at Vanguard spend a great deal of time on research on this very topic. And I can tell you that our long-term expected return—for the global equity market, for that matter—centered in the 8% to 10% range, also acknowledging a wide distribution around that range as we've witnessed, unfortunately, over the past 10 years.

Now where do these estimates come from? They come by looking throughout history at the profound changes we've seen. Despite dozens of bear markets and even more recessions and depressions in our economic history and the changed world they're in, the fundamentals of long-term expected returns, economic productivity growth, corporate earnings growth, and valuations are supportive of those estimates. And I think that's an important reminder in the time where the returns over the past 12 months have been quite painful.

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[Numba6]

1. Reasoned analysis? Of course, ME! BWAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

"half hearted?" The Size of the Stimulus Plan is MASSIVE and there's more to come


Analysts estimate that Obama's plans will increase the gov't share of GDP by 50% (from about 20% to about 30%)... how can this POSSIBLY be criticized as too little too late (for the Prez who's held office for LESS THAN 2 MONTHS)

Mebbe we can do more -- when the Congress is make up of 100% Dems & no GOP minority to screw things up.. but when will THAT happen?

[Cha]

2. Fuck the whiners on

both sides who couldn't begin to take of the shit TeamObama has done for us.

[damntexdem]

3. Yes, this is true. President Obama goes too fast and too slow.

But he's the best president we have, the best in decades. So we'll just have to put up with his going too fast and too slow.

[Numba6]

4. Not to say he

shouldn't do more--- but I'm hard pressed to understand how he COULD have done more by this point