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sabra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:21 AM Original message |
A rabbi, a reverand, a gay rights activist - all part of Obama's faith-based advisory group |
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JayMusgrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
1. Great news.. Great diversity! Love that President!!! n /t |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
2. i'm not big on faith based anything but it's hard to complain about that... |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
3. A gay rights activist? NO WAY! |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
4. Gee, that doesn't look like "Religion Incorporated" to me. Guess trolls need to find another whine. |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. As long as Obama is ALSO issuing invitations to religious bigots -- and he is -- |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. What a bigoted and narrow-minded statement to make! They're all Americans and they all deserve.... |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #11 |
20. Why not Bob Jones then? Or any other racist pastor out there? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. That'd be up to President Obama. But even Nelson Mandela made friends with his captors. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. sure |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #11 |
34. It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing. It's a matter of not giving a platform to bigots! |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. Your wanting to exclude those you don't agree with is the same attitude BushCo had for 8 years. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
25. Poor you.. drowning in your fucking |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. And you are drowning in grape flavor aid |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Hate on |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #35 |
51. ! |
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tandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
5. Muslims seem to be represented, too: |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
32. If only I could rec you... |
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laststeamtrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
6. A rabbi, a reverand, a gay rights activist...all walked into a bar... |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. LOLOL |
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laststeamtrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. It's the rhythm of the words rather than the meaning. |
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Aloha Spirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Each of them orders a martini. |
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JayMusgrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Well, at least you tried! LOL n/t |
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Aloha Spirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. haha thanks |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
7. What Obama said during the campaign is not necessarily what he does now |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Links, sources. quotes to prove what you're saying? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. The link in the OP will do |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I'm not seeing that as discrimination so much as common sense hiring. |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. That just makes me feel so much better -- NOT, |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. Once again, your anti-Obama rhetoric lacks any sense of clear reality. Hate away, dear. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
38. How important is it that the janitor share your faith? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. If anyone feels discriminated, they can bring it up with the Justice Dep't. which is good. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
56. You do understand that such religious groups shouldn't get a dime of MY or any taxpayer's money. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 08:52 AM Response to Reply #56 |
68. I don't see a problem as long as there's no one complaining of discrimination to the Justice Dep't. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Where's the oversight, just relying on complaints, that, might I add... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 10:00 AM Response to Reply #71 |
76. Why don't you take your concerns to whitehouse.gov? |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 10:20 AM Response to Reply #76 |
83. Already did, but the Whitehouse already is backpeddling on the very oversight this program... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Do you have credible links, sources, quotes to prove that? I haven't read anything like that. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 10:29 AM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Really, one of Obama's first executive order kept Bush's discriminatory policies... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. The page is not loading well. Do you have any other sources, quotes, links? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #88 |
95. It is opening well for me and here is the relevant text |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. AU is not an independent source. Are there no other links, sources, or quotes? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. On the subject of links I don't recall seeing a link for this justice department thing |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. Here's the link to the Washington Post report and the relevant quote re: complaints.... |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Like I said, so vague its pretty much unenforcable... |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 05:14 AM Response to Reply #38 |
113. It's a double edged sword |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
13. "Obama appoints pro-medicine activist to quackery-based advisory group." |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
16. George Harrison: "It's all part of the stew." |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
17. I thought O was a homophobe....is the sky falling?! |
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demmiblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Why would you choose to respond this way? |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Why can't I? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. Yep |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. he who has the gold makes the rules? |
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demmiblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
40. Of course there is no rule saying you can't. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:09 PM Response to Reply #40 |
63. Yes...it is. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #21 |
44. Deleted message |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. You're going to think twice about supporting LGBT people because of what was posted here? |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. it should have never come to what it did |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #59 |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #59 |
109. We'll leave you in the dust. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. People like that poster disgust me to no end, civil rights are civil rights... |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 12:45 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Civil rights for gays is different; gay white men can pass. |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. What a sad, selfish little thing to say. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. keep working. build that support. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. Deleted message |
mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. confucious say |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #17 |
54. If some rural Baptists believed black people bore the mark of Cain, would you still support this? |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
23. Just a reminder: |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
26. There shouldn't *be* a faith-based adviory group at all... |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. There shouldn't be... |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. spoken as someone who wouldn't be discriminated against by these people |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Huh...people like me? Do you know me? Have we met? n/t |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:33 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I am presuming that you wouldn't be fired or not hired by these groups due to being gay |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. You presume a lot. n/t |
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Duncan Grant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
50. "...it's just wonky the idea of Church and State...but not the greatest evil." |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
48. Kicked and recommended. nt |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
52. Get the rabbis and reverends out of the White House |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
55. What secular purpose is this group supposed to serve that the government can't... |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 07:13 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Buying votes from the religious. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #57 |
69. Oh, so that's why President Bill Clinton started faith-based initiatives in 1996... |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 09:37 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. WAAH! My candidate won the primary 10 months ago! WAAH! WAAH! |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 09:46 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Thanks for explaining why the Clintons created/supported faith-based initiatives. |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 10:01 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Thanks for still being butthurt about the primaries. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 10:16 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Why are you bringing up the primaries? What's with the personal attacks? |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #80 |
91. You and I both know that that's why you keep bringing up the Clintons offtopic |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. Because it was relevant to what you were saying? Funny how that works, eh? |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. No, going BAWWW about the Clintons is not relevant to what President Obama does |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. What dialect of English are you speaking? What are you talking about? Let me try to recap.... |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Bad ideas are bad ideas, regardless of where they come from. n/t |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #72 |
78. Exactly. n/t |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #72 |
82. When there's an outlet for filing discrimination complaints, I don't think it's a "bad" idea. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #82 |
87. not for gays they haven't |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #87 |
94. Links, sources, quotes, proof? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. Here is the relevant text from the link you were already provided |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. See reply #99. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #82 |
90. And "outlet" isn't enforcement, Obama has not stated any plans for violators... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. That's not true. Complaints can be filed with the Justice Department. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 08:34 PM Response to Reply #93 |
108. "probably" that's the key, you don't know, because no one knows how this program... |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 06:59 AM Response to Reply #55 |
67. In NYC, we have Brooklyn Jewish Hosp., L.I. Jewish, Methodist Hospital, |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 09:44 AM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Yes, and around here, we have Barnes/Jewish and a bunch of Catholic Hospitals... |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Non-discrimination is separate from the issue of excluding faith based |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Actually, that's somewhat funny example you bring up... |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #81 |
86. That's probably the most difficult area to draw the line |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #86 |
89. None of those, outside of the secular ones, should be funded at all... |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #79 |
85. You are dead wrong about the second example |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #67 |
75. and they should have to follow the same laws as everyone else |
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Kat45 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
64. Great! I'm glad Jim Wallis is part of the group. |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 03:05 AM Response to Original message |
65. all walk into a bar. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 06:46 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. That's what I was wondering! What's the punch line??? nt |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
98. I dislike having a faith-based council,...... |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
102. Rev. Jim Wallis? I'm overjoyed that he's in on it. He's a social progressive & Evangelical... |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
105. Once again the Native Americans and the Pagans are all left out |
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dcindian (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 05:04 AM Response to Original message |
112. Of course only certain religions are even allowed. |
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