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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:01 PM Original message |
See Feingold gets it. People aren't actually listening to what Obama and Holder said |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
1. these are facts |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Obama and Holder are very smart. If you read the statements. They are very carefully worded |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 08:39 AM Response to Reply #4 |
59. Carefully Worded, You Mean Like A "Sternly Worded Letter"? |
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The Hope Mobile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #59 |
87. More like carefully worded so that they can still go after the guys who |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #87 |
102. as well as the guys giving the orders. nt |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
93. We liked that about Obama.. |
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ginnyinWI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #93 |
100. Think Progress agrees. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #100 |
122. I learned it too..too |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:02 PM Response to Reply #93 |
127. OH |
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urgk (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
55. Well it's hard to run around like Chicken Little... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
113. The "fact" is that these memos were written AFTER the torture program began |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. Let's review |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Yep... that's about it |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. +1 !!! |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. Yep. "Just following orders" doesn't excuse war crimes. . . |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. They weren't White House memos |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:33 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. Sorry. Used White House as short for "Executive Branch". . . |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. It can just as easily be read as an attempt to get a ruling |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 04:28 AM Response to Reply #36 |
49. "resign immediately" is precisely what any person |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:34 AM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Nice speech |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:44 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Well you say one thing, Bush's Justice Department said otherwise |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #54 |
65. To bow to legalistic "opinion" that is contrary to |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #54 |
67. The first thing I was taught in boot camp, back in '69 was, |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:50 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Ah, but that's where the DOJ ju jitsu came in |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:20 AM Response to Reply #68 |
76. It don't wash. We're talking adults here. Who know right from wrong. |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:35 AM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Justice said it was lawful. "They knew better" isn't a way to prosecute these people |
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pocoloco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:17 PM Response to Reply #79 |
129. Did Germany have a justice department?? |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:44 AM Response to Reply #76 |
80. You're mixing a lot of different cases |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:13 AM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Hear, Hear! We never delegate such power without attendant duties |
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davidwparker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #49 |
96. Thank you. This is what the military does when they cannot follow an order |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #49 |
103. Even when, upon their own initiative, they asked the highest legal |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #103 |
133. Absolutely. Why do you think we apply the ultimate penalty to. . . |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #16 |
84. exactly, They went to DoJ for exactly the reason |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #16 |
126. I once read an interview with a former Gitmo guard who said that |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #126 |
134. All the "reasons" you cite can certainly be presented in ones defense. . , |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:55 AM Response to Reply #2 |
40. Yep. I'd have been so afraid of the fucking VP and HIS minions I'd have |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:58 AM Response to Reply #2 |
41. Yeah. n/t |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 06:46 AM Response to Reply #2 |
52. Thats it in a nutshell. I don't blame the lower level people. I blame those in charge. |
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Shanti Mama (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #2 |
85. Ahhhhhhhhh yup! |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
90. too costly and meddlesome to spend time on the field operatives |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
6. Excuse me while I........ |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
7. I want to hear that prosecutions are taking place. I haven't heard that yet. |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #7 |
75. Let's see if Senators Leahy and Whitehouse are still planning |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
8. Also Feingold has it right on the FISA bill... |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 01:00 AM Response to Reply #8 |
43. +1. n/t |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #43 |
77. Thanks, ACLU filed a lawsuit the same day the FISA bill passed... |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
94. Let me just say how proud I am of our brave and smart Senator |
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rufus dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
9. that is just ignorant! |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:04 PM Response to Reply #9 |
24. I haven't seen where anyone has been a focal point of anything. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Yes, it hasn't happened yet, so therefore it never will |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:43 AM Response to Reply #9 |
39. The Jail guards did not get away scott free from the Nazi |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:56 AM Response to Reply #39 |
57. No the guards did not get away |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:12 AM Response to Reply #57 |
62. I hate to keep pointing this out to people but. |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #62 |
91. So America was attacked form the inside and there is no punishment for the attackers. |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #91 |
101. I feel the same outrage as you do. |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:20 PM Response to Reply #91 |
130. We might see a little show.. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #57 |
69. And former DOD secretary McNamara says the US committed war crimes as well |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #57 |
104. Actually, they weren't. They were executed for murdering prisoners. |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
10. Feingold equals Boosh |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-18-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #10 |
132. That's one of the funniest things I've read on DU ever. |
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cherish44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
11. But knee jerk reactions are so much more passionate than thinking about stuff |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Roger that. |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 06:02 AM Response to Reply #14 |
51. I've done more of that in the past month than I ever did in the primaries. |
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KaryninMiami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
12. Thanks for posting this and thank goodness for Russ. |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
13. Thanks Russ |
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angee_is_mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
15. Kick |
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HopeOverFear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
17. awww now see, now you've just ruined it |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
18. Ashcroft Suggests CIA Started Torturing, Then Sought Legal Cover |
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Aloha Spirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. wow |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:33 AM Response to Reply #31 |
78. Yes, thanks to Solly Mack for her thread n/t |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:39 AM Response to Reply #18 |
38. Good point |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 01:04 AM Response to Reply #38 |
44. I don't agree. I think you've underestimated the President's method. |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:51 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. I hope so |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #38 |
83. Yes there is room, but President Obama's statement... |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:31 PM Original message |
yeah, & that could be wishful thinking. Because I heard him say we have to "look forward," |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
19. Blah blah blah. So what DOES it mean? Does it mean Obama WILL prosecute criminal behavior? |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. +1 |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 01:08 AM Response to Reply #19 |
45. Actually if you took a step back and paid attention than mouthing off... |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #45 |
66. Not buying it. Obama is president. It's up to him to LEAD. Not twiddle his thumbs until public |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #66 |
97. I agree. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #66 |
107. WE DON'T NEED A FUCKING LEADER!!!!!!! |
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stlsaxman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #107 |
124. Bingo! stlsaxman hi5's RaleighNCDUer! |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #19 |
106. Obama is not the AG. He will NEVER prosecute anyone. It is not in |
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stlsaxman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #106 |
125. Bingo x2!! stlsaxman hi5's RaleighNCDUer twice!! |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #19 |
117. Better to keep them guessing, I say. Until it's all sewn up. |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
21. The "good faith" argument is perhaps a rather fragile one, at best. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #21 |
108. And they knew it when they said it - |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #108 |
121. Good points! n/t |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
23. The Nuremburg Defense was rejected as nonsense. |
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eyesroll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Except that this wasn't "I was just following orders." |
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MarjorieG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:14 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Important distinction. |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:52 AM Response to Reply #25 |
56. This is a very, very difficult concept for the outragers to grasp NM |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:12 AM Response to Reply #25 |
63. Except that the folks who said 'just following orders' |
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eyesroll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #63 |
99. Under *US* law, the people in the field shouldn''t be found guilty. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #63 |
110. Wrong. The "just following orders" defense was used by Nazis who |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #25 |
109. Exactly. nt |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
26. One would like to believe that interpretation |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
28. Most of the government is worried about being held responsible for torture but, |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Similiar to the Finnish War Responsibility Trials |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
30. Yup. Exactly. I'm fine with this. (nt) |
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Mira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
33. I'm counting on this to be exactly so. I do not want to suffer disappointment of such magnitude. |
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Undercurrent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-16-09 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
35. A sane adult! |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
37. well if we actually have to listen to the guy your going to take all the fun out of it. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 01:09 AM Response to Reply #37 |
46. I haven't seen you in ages GC..glad to see you posting. I'd love to see a thread of your views on |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #46 |
114. Nice to see you again. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:59 AM Response to Original message |
42. Feingold has been disappointed before with his hopes for Obama. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 01:27 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Like about what? |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 04:37 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Obama's flip flop on FISA. n/t |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #50 |
64. Indeed. Russ is not afraid to criticize Obama when he disagrees. Also see his statement on |
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biopowertoday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:59 AM Response to Original message |
58. The actual one's who did the job are free--other's still on the hook............... |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:11 AM Response to Reply #58 |
72. This is the reverse of the usual pattern, in which the big fish go free |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
60. Now Senator Feingold needs to pressure the Dems and the Executive |
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4dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
61. This is why I contribute to the Feingold campaign.. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
70. Ax falls: "Bush administration's lawyers and top officials were complicit in torture" |
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paparush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
71. You Know Cheney's Team of Lawyers (tm) is poring over that statement with a fine toothed comb. |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
74. FInally, someone who actually listens, which is pretty easy to do |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
81. In the Nuremberg Trials it was the top guys not the foot soldiers |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
82. I am sick of "carefully worded" spin, TORTURE IS ILLEGAL, therefore, one Must prosecute |
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democrank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
86. Prosecute |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Start making calls, write letters to your representatives, and LTTE's. |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:30 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. That will work....not. |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #95 |
105. A good general picks the time and place to fight. I think he wants to get |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #105 |
115. I do hope that you are correct. |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #115 |
118. I hope so too. Spain seemed to make me think that we will be acting against |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
88. I hope Senator Feingold is right. |
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brindis_desala (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
92. The complainers on DU again miss the point. |
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wiggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
98. I hope for prosecutions based on detainee abuse. I also hope that |
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Mme. Defarge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
111. Big K&R! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
112. I get it and it's not true in addition to being morally bankrupt. n/t |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
116. Thank you so much for this post! Finally. Finally...maybe the naysayers will |
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ejbr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
119. I trust Feingold on this one and will take a chill pill |
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edc (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
120. There is no rationale nor any excuse. |
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santamargarita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
123. So in Nuremberg they should have just gone after Hitler? |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
128. No-one who condoned or used torture acted in good faith. |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
131. I sure do hope Feingold is right |
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