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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:11 AM Original message |
ACLU Supports Torture Defense |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:16 AM Response to Original message |
1. Because they have no morals like someone suggested of President O. n/t |
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genna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
40. I didn't get the ACLU is laying down and playing dead by reading the link |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:18 AM Response to Original message |
2. yeah, let's throw the ACLU under the bus- and don't forget to toss Greenwwald |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:19 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Because Turley is NEVER wrong. n/t |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 08:53 AM Response to Reply #3 |
23. For the Defense to apply, it must be raised. One can't assume the Defense applies without |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. I think you are not understanding the OP nt |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:24 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Reading Is Fundamental, Cali.... /nt |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
4. You miss the key. The word "prosecution" denotes trial. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:25 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Do you think.... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:31 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. You are right. Clear crimes should be ignored if it was |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:38 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Prosecutors have an obligation not to bring cases |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:43 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. You can't catch the big fish without using minnows. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:46 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. That's absurd |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:00 AM Response to Reply #18 |
26. What is Kafkaesque is what has been happening in the area |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:07 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Agreed |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. Nobody is saying that can't use that defense. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 08:59 AM Response to Reply #11 |
25. No. Prosecuting with no reasonable chance of proper conviction is roughly as bad as torture |
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Richardo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
5. I've heard much the same thing from other people versed in the law... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:20 AM Response to Original message |
6. Myopic spin of the day. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:26 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Actually, it was the myopic spin of yesterday.... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:37 AM Response to Original message |
12. You're missing a key point |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:40 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Once more, with feeling - you missed it when Obama said it |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:50 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. What that means in context of Obama's public statement |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
14. I feel better. the ACLU doesn't back down. |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
17. Jeeezuz. Every day all across America in thousand of cases, prosecutors are |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
20. All of you have to quit looking backward. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
21. What the ACLU letter really says: |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 08:45 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Don't bother. It's a bit late in the game to expect honesty from the kiddie propaganda corps |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:11 AM Response to Reply #21 |
29. That is correct.... |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:24 AM Response to Reply #21 |
30. You're not disagreeing substantively with the OP |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
24. I think the Obama statement/ACLU position means CIA officers CAN still be prosecuted |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:09 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. I agree with you.... |
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genna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #24 |
39. You say lawyerly like it is a bad thing |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
31. ACLU does NOT support the Torture Defense. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. "It does NOT endorse the Obama policy of amnesty for all" - is not the Obama policy |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I will humbly correct the error you found.... |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. No.... |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. No. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. I believe the Obama administration is investigating with an eye toward prosecution |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
36. Corruption is necessary ... |
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