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onetwo (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:15 PM Original message |
The Nuremberg Defense Applies. Two reasons why it didn't then but does now. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
1. Ah...corporate speak |
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onetwo (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. More like "lawyer-speak." This is the law we're talking about. |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. you make some great points |
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onetwo (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Thanks. The last thing we need |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
24. It is indeed- and there's a whole body of law that's developed |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
2. Because we say so and we rule.. |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
3. To answer your queston: "who's typically the first to go?" |
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onetwo (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Good point. And we agree. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
5. Bullshit |
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onetwo (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. You're seeing black and white where there are shades of grey. |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Go away. |
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onetwo (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. We consider intent in determining punishment or even whether to prosecute. |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. There IS no argument. Those who commited those acts knew they were wrong. |
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onetwo (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Clearly not everyone knew since some deemed it worthy to get a second opinion. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. Precedent you say? But your history is lacking |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
6. I have to say that by not following through with punishment is this. |
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onetwo (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. Good point, but one thing. |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. You created a really good post. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
12. You are correct, in that the Bush Administration's DOJ interpretation |
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onetwo (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. That is an excellent point. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. The problem is that when CIA started the torture, it was illegal. |
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onetwo (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Legally, the actions have not yet been officially classified as torture. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Yes, they were when we signed onto Geneva. n/t |
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onetwo (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Wouldn't you consider the Pres and USDOJ credible arbiters between the agents and intl law? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. They have a political burden on top of their legal one. |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-17-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. The CIA tortures. |
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