Do u think Pres. Obama should trust Petraeus and Ordierno?

[SamCooke]

I'd add Brennan to that as well. These guys just have loyalty to the republican philosophy written all over them.

[quiller4]

1. Yes. He should. They are loyal to their commander.

Ordierno has never expressed political views publicly. Those that Petraeus has shared are more in line with Democratic philosophy than Republican.

[mix]

15. Odierno is many things,

loyal to his "commander" is not one of them.
http://lynch.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/01/29/obama_vs_odierno

[HooptieWagon]

17. I don't think citing a blog as evidence of disloyalty is a good idea.

If Obama was to fire Odierno, and stand before the cameras and cite a blogger's opinion as justification, he would be laughed out of town (and rightly so).

Anyway, Odierno has a right to his ideas, and that doesn't make him disloyal to the orders of his CiC. Obama was quite explicit in stating he was going to listen to all sides before making his decisions - he didn't want a bunch of yes-men advising him. If Odierno were to have a problem with Obama's policy, he is free to resign.

[mix]

18. Why not?

"The Blog" is based on Odierno's well documented public contradiction of Obama.
How do you define loyalty?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/29/us/politics/29prexy.html?_r=2&ref=world&pagewanted=all

[HooptieWagon]

19. Loyalty=loyalty to oath of serving country= following CiC's orders.

Odierno doesn't have to agree with Obama to be loyal, he merely has to carry out his orders. I see no evidence he isn't faithfully carrying out orders.In fact, if Odierno has a differing opinion than Obama; he is being quite loyal to voice that disagreement up to the point a decision has been made. If he has a major problem with an Obama decision, he is free to resign in protest. To what degree he's going public, I don't know. Certainly if he creates a big public stink, then his credibility is damaged, and he'd be moved aside. I don't think he'd want to end his long career that way - so I assume he's discreet when talking to the media.

My problem with citing the Blog is that it is one person's opinion. That doesn't mean it's fact. The blogger is not making a factual case of disloyalty (of the treasonous kind), he is merely stating his opinion that not agreeing with Obama on every issue is disloyal - which I would disagree with. There are thousands in the military who disagree with a certain policy or order every day, yet carry them out. That is not being disloyal.

[rpannier]

2. And your examples are???? nt

[Phx_Dem]

9. What are your examples that they are not loyal or don't have

the country's best interests at heart?

[Phx_Dem]

10. Delete - dupe

[Lasher]

3. Hell no.

Petraeus is an opportunistic politician. Junior rewarded him with another star, twice.

Another Possible Mobile Bio-Weapons Lab Found in Iraq

13 May 2003

U.S. military commander in northern Iraq, Major General David Petraeus has confirmed the discovery of what appears to be another mobile biological weapons laboratory. Major General Petraeus, Commander of the 101st Airborne Division, says the latest mobile lab is the second found by American forces.

Speaking via a satellite link with reporters at the Pentagon, General Petraeus says it was discovered last Friday (May 9) in the Mosul area, and is virtually identical to one found earlier by U.S. Special Forces in northern Iraq.

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2003-05/a-2003-05-13-13-Another.cfm?moddate=2003-05-13

For those who were living on other planets at the time, these were not weapons labs.

[SamCooke]

4. its things like this why I don't trust the guy. Odierno is no better.

[Teaser]

5. Petraeus:I knew there was a reason he seemed slimy to me.

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[annabanana]

6. Petraeus has been bit by "the bug"... he sees himself

in elective office and, as honest as he may believe himself to be, it will color his judgement.

[HelenWheels]

7. I agree with annabanana nt

[calimary]

11. Yeah - petraeus is in business for himself. He wants to run for president.

THAT is what will motivate him most - his own political ambitions. If he thinks muscling up the war will get him votes back home, that's what he's going to advocate and pursue.

[Phx_Dem]

8. Trust them, absolutely. Give them a blank check or blindly follow their

advice, absolutely not.

The President has alot of advisors on foreign policy. He should continue to do what he always does; solicit advise from all foreign policy adisors/cabinet members, listen to all suggestions, then make his own decision.

[Uzybone]

12. errr...they are US military. Sworn to the US constitution.

if he can't trust them he should fire them.

[jberryhill]

13. They are professionals

Not everything is about politics. Even people who may disagree politically desire the best outcomes.

[HooptieWagon]

14. Trust, but verify.

I see no evidence that they are unpatriotic - putting themselves or party above the country. have to assume they're loyal soldiers and Americans. Still, whenever receiving advice or report from someone, you have to keep your eyes open to their own biases and philosophies that may color their advice. So, verify what they're saying with other sources.

[SamCooke]

16. Why do u guys think Petraeus want to be President?

I don't see it. I think he wants to make 100s of millions of dollars in the private sector when its all over.

[harun]

20. This is why...

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/13/petraeus-president-2/