Mormons posthumously baptize Obama's mother

[ccharles000]

President Barack Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, who died in 1995, was baptized posthumously into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints last year during her son's campaign, according to Salt Lake City-based researcher Helen Radkey.

The ritual, known as "baptism for the dead," was done June 4, 2008, in the Provo Utah temple, and another LDS temple rite, known as the "endowment," was performed in the same temple on June 11, said Radkey, who found the record while doing research in the LDS Family History Library in Salt Lake City.

"The LDS Church is walking a fine line when the mother of our very special president has been posthumously baptized and endowed in a Utah temple," she said. "It sends out the message that the religion she chose while she was alive was not good enough. And that spills onto her son, who is our president."

LDS Church spokesman Scott Trotter could not immediately confirm Radkey's research.

Mormons do proxy baptisms for their ancestors in the belief that the practice makes it possible for those who died without knowledge of Mormon doctrine to achieve salvation.

Such proxy baptisms are nothing more than a way to give people in the spirit world a chance to reject or accept the gospel, Elder Lance Wickman, a member of the church's First Quorum of Seventy, said in November.

The baptism doesn't cancel out a person's "life story," Wickman said.



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[madaboutharry]

1. This is the most arrogant of acts.

It is very galling of the Mormon Church. They have also done this with the names of Jews who perished in the Holocaust.

To say that this practice is repulsive is an understatement.

[Chulanowa]

2. Maybe it's just me, but this practice seems utterly disgusting

Maybe it's my own religious beliefs peeking through, but the idea that someday when I kick off, a bunch of Salt Lake Suckers is going to proclaim me one of them, just pisses me off. And even if it's just what htey said, "presenting the gospel to the dead" you know what? I have a Book of Mormon. They sent it to me along with a box of firecrackers one fourth of July (I didn't ask, I'm sure I wouldn't like the answer). I've handed their literature pamphlets back. I'd had to physically shoo missionaries out of my place of employment when they wouldn't take the more businesslike hints that they should go. I've had no shortage of chances to hear the gospel of the Church of Latter-Day Saints, and I have soundly denied all such attempts, and will continue to do so up till, and I'm certain after, my own death.

So FUCK OFF, you tie-wearing fruit loops, and take your shitfucking of my people's history with you.

[NC_Nurse]

3. WTF?

:crazy:

[parasim]

4. So, was she a mormon? Yes? Well, then, there ya go, that's what they do...

If she wasn't a Mormon, then, who cares? It's silly at that point.

Apparently, the Mormon church has no comment and neither does the administration... so, it seems that Radkey is simply a loon...

move on...

[dalaigh lllama]

5. Why do you call Radkey a loon?

Because she pointed out that the Mormon church had done this and found it distasteful? Really?

[Hamlette]

15. She was not a Mormon, she was an atheist AND the Mormon church promised not to do this anymore

after they were thrown out of Israel for going through the records of the holocaust and doing baptism for the dead for all of them.

The "official" church line you hear now is that it cannot be done unless the closest (or a close) living relative approves of the action. When my Aunts died we were hit up to approve of it. We said no and were assured it would not happen.

Now I'm suspicious. This could open a can of worms if no permission was given and if it is still church "doctrine" to get permission.

[jillan]

6. I heard they do this to Jews as well.

What makes them think they can impose their religion on people who did not chose to be Mormon why they were alive?

[Booster]

7. This is so ridiculous. Don't the Mormons think that someone on

the other side will tell the dead what they need to know about religion? The dead know a Hell of a lot more about it than the living. Another of their "weird" beliefs; before anyone flames me, most of my family are Mormons and I still disagree with them.

[whistler162]

8. So if the Church of Satan decides to baptize

John Smith and Brigham Young it would be okay with the Mormons!

[Drunken Irishman]

16. Joseph Smith.

[msongs]

9. but what if the dead were christians in life?

When I was a baptist long time ago, we heard about Joseph and Mary, not Joseph Smith, and it was read to us out of their bible, not the book of Mormons which was written by humans in the 1800's.

Msongs

[Drunken Irishman]

17. Mormons believe the only way into heaven is through Mormonism.

If you weren't Mormon during life, your soul gets the chance to be Mormon in death. If you reject, well, no heaven.

[Skittles]

10. righteous bastards, aren't they?

[DavidDvorkin]

11. Tempest in a teapot

It's all silly religious nonsense.

Or if you want more words: http://eyeblister.blogspot.com/2009/05/oh-no-mormons-posthumously-converted-my.html

[grantcart]

12. That's all right

"In the name of my great great uncle, Heber J Grant, President of the Mormon Church, I hereby undo this baptism".


From one make believe ceremony to another.



And here is a link to President (known in our family as 'shit for brains') Grant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heber_J._Grant

[sarah553807]

13. The mormons are the hedi&spencer of organized religion

x(

[Sultana]

19. LOL

brilliant! :rofl:

[vaberella]

14. I might be the only one but...I don't get it. Sorry.

And I mean I don't get anything. I don't get the practice. How this is important, and why it matters in regards to our President's mum...and I don't even know if she was Mormon or not and if she was what does it matter. Plus, are they saying because she is and he's not they have a problem?! Ie...this means I'm a lost and confused lamb who doesn't care too much, anyway.

[Sultana]

18. Ugh, FUCK THEM

:mad:

[Beacool]

20. I thought that she was an atheist.

I don't get it. How can they posthumously baptize someone who was not a Mormon when alive? That's just plain crazy and disrespectful to the wishes of the deceased, unless people specifically left written instructions that they wished to be baptized after their death.

:o