Palin out of the picture? Debate.

[cwcwmack]

So is she done?

Does she know she's done?

Does the GOP know she's done?



I don't think we've seen the last of her... her problem last year was that she didn't have enough "prep time". Her handlers only had her for a week before she went public. Give her handlers 3 years and she'll come across like Thatcher.

And I don't think gaffe-gate will work on her in 3.5 years... one side will play "Russia from my doorstep" and the other side will play "57 states with one more to go".

And here's my theory... I think she'll do better as she get's older. People tend to sexualize her... because of her looks. I think as she ages more people will take her seriously... just mho.

[tekisui]

1. She will never be taken seriously by a majority. No matter how old she gets.

She has the following of a loyal minority of knuckle-draggers.

The true fun that I cannot wait for is to watch mittens, rudy, newt and others tear into hear in 2012. It will be legendary to watch the repukes fight for the nomination.

[cwcwmack]

7. Bush was taken seriously by a majority (eewwww) twice

so what makes Caribou Barbie different?

[tekisui]

10. We suffered through 8 years of boosh, for one thing.

Another, she will be attempting a run against a successful and popular President and a brutal repuke primary. Her stature isn't growing. The American people have turned their back on hate and fear.

[DrToast]

16. What makes her different?

She's a lot dumber than George W. Bush.

She makes George W. Bush look like Einstein.

[rvablue]

24. Gore won the majority of votes in 2000.

Shrubbie was appointed to the presidency by the Supreme Court in 2000.

No, a majority of Americans did not take the Shrub seriously.

[Soylent Brice]

45. ZING!

[JayMusgrove]

32. You mean the "majority" if the Supreme Court in 2000 and

a majority of people who got to vote in OH in 2004, when the control of OH was in Rethuglican hands?

[NYC Liberal]

43. She'd be running directly against the popular incumbent president

Bush followed Clinton, but he never ran head-to-head against him. Had he, he would have lost for sure.

[Soylent Brice]

44. because

it would be complete idiocy for her too even attempt a presidential run.

think of all the corrupt shit that was uncovered during the election, add on top of that 4 more years of reporters and bloggers and investigators digging and sifting through the rest of her skeletons. not to mention all the damage from the Levi/Bristol drama.

she has an endless supply of information anyone could use to discredit her and destroy her in a primary, let alone a GE.

[sofa king]

54. Technically, he got close enough to steal it, twice.

Florida had to be stolen in 2000, and Ohio had to be stolen in 2004. Only the second time did Bush post a whopping 50.73% majority--that was his "mandate," if you recall.

The advantage of criminality goes to the Republican Party, and Sarah Palin is exactly what the next aspiring Dick Cheney wants: telegenic, with wide name recognition, and dumber than a box of learning disabled rocks, so she can't get in the way of business behind closed doors.

Having spent the past eight years closely observing the Republican Party, I don't see why Sarah Palin will be any different. A better, smarter candidate might run a better, smarter campaign, but the evil people who control the GOP don't want that sort of a candidate, so we can expect that person to be strongly opposed by his own party.

I think the biggest lesson of 2008 is that the best Republican opponents are other Republicans. The right-wing authoritarians can be easily programmed--once. Try to reverse that, and they get confused. So it was that John McCain, who had been slimed by Rove in 2000, was unable to bring right-wing authoritarians back to him, even though those same RWA's would normally stand in line for days to vote against a black man.

[cwcwmack]

14. YES

this will be classic TV watching... their party is fracturing big time. They JUST DON'T get it... they need to modernize by jettisoning the fundies, embrace libertarians like Paul and add pro-choice and pro-gay marriage planks... lol, like that'd happen.

[rucky]

39. If she were a white-haired white guy...

would what she says be much different from the other nutbags on the road-show?

[Top Cat]

49. I agree... Either you have it or you don't and Sara Palin does not have what' needed

[livetohike]

2. Brain function declines with age and imo she doesn't have

much to begin with. A serious candidate for the Presidency? You're kidding right? No amount of handling is going to make her sound like a thoughtful, intelligent person - one someone would trust with decision making.

She was less than ready to run as the V.P. candidate. There is so much she needs to learn about issues and I don't think she is up to it.

[cwcwmack]

4. Let's be serious...

how many President's actually RUN the nation? How many actually coordinate every office and review every report?

None.

The POTUS is merely the guiding light for the Party. Look at Reagan, who thought he really did much in the way of management? Why was he elected then? People bought the "principles" and the "personna"

And what about *? I think Palin is in the same IQ category... lol, and he "won" twice.

[livetohike]

9. I think President Obama is breaking the mold of what past

President's have been. Of course no one could read every report, but a good manager knows the right questions to ask and our current POTUS has demonstrated the capability to process information.

Palin lacks that ability and I think * is probably smarter than she is too (OMG, I didn't think I would ever say anything complimentary about him, lol).

[cwcwmack]

5. No one says she's right for the job...

but can she be elected?

[livetohike]

13. No. She won't make it through the Republican primary

She will have her starry eyed supporters, but she will have to debate the candidates and her Betty Boop schtick won't go too far.

[DrToast]

17. No, she is damaged political goods beyond repair

Could Dan Quayle get elected? No.

[islandmkl]

3. WTF will they be taking 'seriously'??...

she might get all kinds of 'handling & make-over & prep'....but she CANNOT become inherently smarter...

her problem is not how she 'plays the game'...she is peaked, not unlike Michelle Bachmann...Thatcher had brains, real intellectual BRAINS, regardless of her leanings...

you can mask an idiot, but you cannot cure one...

[Solomon]

11. What are you saying?

Lipstick on a pig?

:rofl:

[cwcwmack]

15. btw

I think Bachmann is 2x more dangerous than Palin. She says some CRAZY ass shit.

[rvablue]

25. Bachmann="dangerous".... LOL!

Bachmann is crazy and stupid. A bad combo for sure. But "dangerous".....nah!

She's a Congressperson and won't rise any higher than where she already is.

I think even if the GOP regained control of the House or Senate, even they would have enough sense to keep her out of any leadership roles. Besides, she doesn't really have much seniority at this point.

The only reason she gets on the teevees is because she is crazy and stupid and gives Tweety some material to have fun with.... that's all.

[Arkana]

29. When you say "dangerous"

you mean more in terms of "could snap at any moment and shoot up the House chamber with an AK-47", right?

Cause I know you don't mean Michelle Bachmann's a political threat. She's a fucking loon and anyone with half a brain can see that.

[tammywammy]

6. She could have come back two years after the election in a fire storm

But she needs to get OUT of the media, to let people forget what a maroon she is. She CAN'T stop parading her daughter around, having a media fight with her grandson's dad, etc.

She's done.

[damonm]

8. point-by-point...

(1) She was done before she started.

(2) She has no clue she's done.

(3) I hope to GOD the GOP never figures out that she's done - she's a Godsend for us, along with Michelle Bachmann and Joe Pretzelbanger or whatever...

[Hersheygirl]

12. Have you ever heard the saying....

You can't make a silk purse out of sow's ear?

She may be pretty on the outside, but nothing on the inside. If she had any brains she would be a democrat. But then again I believe that about almost all repubs.

[wileedog]

18. Have you noticed the parade of Repubs hitting the talk shows every Sunday

since the Inauguration? The ones incessently attacking Obama with at least a semi-clue of what his policies are?

Have you noticed which one, despite being the most recent VP candidate, hasn't been?

Can you imagine her trying to feild a question on TARP, or the Chrysler bankruptcy, or offshore tax codes, or who even Hugo Chevez is?

[cwcwmack]

19. she COULD

do it if she literally camped out with policy wonks for 3 years... reading every day and educating herself.

But I don't think she WANTS to. It's too much work.

The Repub line-up is VERY interesting... and interesting to analyze.

Newt (repping the Constitutional Neo-Con wing)

Romney (repping the Blue blood moderate wing)

Ridge (repping the RINO wing)

Huckabee (repping the fundie wing)

Limbaugh (repping... I'm not sure WHAT he's repping)

that party is literally split in 4 different directions.

[rvablue]

23. No she couldn't. Factual learning is one thing.

That's what you are describing.

But in order to do that and have it be effective one has to possess basic intellect. That is something that is formed and honed in one's early years.

You can build a house on sand, but it will collapse very, very quickly.

She lacks the basic foundation.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

20. She's most certainly not out of the picture

Rush Limbaugh gave us a gift this week by reviving Palin when everyone else had left her for dead. Limbaugh is propping Sarah Palin up as the last defender of conservative ideals, etc (this may shift once Jindal graduates junior high). So the 20% or so that make up the zombie population, along with the other percent or two who want to vote with their testosterone, means the GOP is split, royally screwed, and headed for a showdown.

So no, I don't think Sarah Palin is electable, but she's not done by a long shot. This will do great harm to the GOP, over and above what they've already done to their reputation, and it will provide endless entertainment for us.

[spanone]

21. her looks are all that keep her in the news, when that's gone and folks have to listen....gone

[Blue_In_AK]

22. I see her as third-party material

She's some crazy-ass supporters who won't let her go down without a fight.

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[SacredCow]

27. Personally... I think she's going to fade away much like Geraldine Ferraro...

Not that she won't do other things, but as a presidential/vice-presidential candidate? It was her 15 minutes.

[JayMusgrove]

34. Geraldine, our favorite liberal racist?

She showed her true colors in 2008.

Let's make sure she is never heard from again, she gives liberals a bad rep.

[Arkana]

28. What kind of crack are you smoking?

Palin became even more of a joke after the election. Her family is a tabloid writer's wet dream, she's a colossal moron on all policy issues on the spectrum--with the POSSIBLE exception of energy--and she's facing ethics issues that just keep multiplying.

She's a joke and will continue to be a joke, and if the GOP makes the mistake of nominating her for President in 2012 I'm seeing a Reagan/Mondale-like landslide for Barack Obama.

[merh]

30. Oh please, let her be the GOP's pick for 2012

please, please, please

They need to continue to overlook the intelligent and caring members of their party.

[Marsala]

31. She should be out of the picture, but Limbaugh keeps dragging her back into it

As long as the leader of the Republican Parity is her fan, she'll be in the picture.

[PresidentObama]

33. She was never really good at debates, anyway. "Oh golly, you betcha" *wink*

But seriously, she isn't totally out of the picture.

I think this Bristol/Levi media war fare is hurting her, so she would be smart to go away and come back some time when this is FAR away from the newspapers and MSM.

[SamCooke]

35. If the Republican Primary was today she'd win

sad isn't it. Crist is the only republican that scares me. He seems too sane for the GOP. I know Plouffe said Huntsman(sp?), he's basically a younger Romney. I don't see it, but I suppose anything can happen. i'm just tired of hearing about Palin. It bothers me to no end when people act like Katie asked her the toughest questions in history. What do u read is a tough question? I don't throw around insults, but the woman is just dumb. I've heard her a few times and outside of talking about Abortion and Alaska, she has no depth. And the only thing she says about Alaska is tax refunds. Alaska is the Saudi Arabia of the US. They can afford tax cuts and it not have a negative effect. She would run the country into the ground if she ran it. i would be so scared.

[TheKentuckian]

36. Rush and the base won't let her die and she won't leave the spotlight

so she can reboot her image so the results won't be pretty for the Republiscum.

The GOP is far too short sighted. Palin should have never been introduced to their red meat seekers until she was coached up and under control. Now they have too much of a contrast between their bluebloods like Romney and Jeb and those that make up the base themselves. Now "Sayruh" is the base embodied and they demand to be represented by one of their own.

They will have a heck of a time putting the paste back in the tube and even more so getting their people to vote for a blueblood at all. The far Reich trust Republicans only slightly more than what passes for a far left.

[cwcwmack]

37. well...

we can all agree that 012 is going to be a LOT of fun to watch :rofl:

[Politicalboi]

38. Doesn't she have an election in 2010?

She will be lucky to still be Governor in 2012.

[cwcwmack]

40. are you kidding?

the snow zombies will reelect her in a heart beat,

You betcha'!!!!!!!

[OakCliffDem]

41. Palin will never win the Presidency, but I sure hope she doesn't go away

I hope the Republicans keep their stupid blow up doll front and center for the next three (or even seven) years.

Let the true Repuke leader, Rush Limbaugh, give her all the free advertising he can, because after all, you get what you pay for.

[sarah553807]

42. She's politically dead

Even a guy form my work who is a HUGE christian right wing nut job.I mean this guy once stated how gays should rot in hell to purify themselves and rants about how obama is going to turn us to the next soviet union.he actually went to a tea party rally downtown during tax day. Anyway,this is the same guy who told me just two weeks ago how he will never vote for sarah palin because she's "crazy and delusional".Weird since he was calling me a left wing hate monger for stating my opinion on her during the election.

[firedupdem]

46. Any adult that can't answer simple questions is beyond help. She

will never come across like Thatcher. She plays very well to the trash base, she'll never be taken seriously by most educated people. Age won't help her at all. She can wink a million times and still play to the same base. Gun nuts, religious nuts, bigots, and hillbillies.

[ecstatic]

47. As she ages, her admirers will be forced to accept that

there's no "there" there.

[Phoonzang]

48. God, I hope she's not over yet. I'd love to have her as the candidate in '12

[Arkana]

55. We could win Georgia, Arizona, Montana, and a slew of other states we didn't

get in '08. Obama could be looking at 400+ EVs if Palin runs against him.

[BlooInBloo]

50. Who?

[smoochpooch]

51. You said people sexualize her, true. But many of the people who sexualize her voted for her because

and only because of her looks. When she doesn't have the looks anymore those people won't vote for her.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

52. Exactly. Without the "hottie" factor she loses most of what she has going for her.

It's not like you automatically acquire substance just by being plain or old looking. :rofl:

[Hutzpa]

53. I sometimes get wet dreams

but that does not mean I was having sex, it means I was in deep trace dreaming of
that fantasy model....same difference.

Nothing wrong with having a dream.