We will lose our majority in the future due to diddly being done to stop electronic election fraud.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

All this hard work, the 50 state strategy, the netroots, will be for naught. I'm sure they're picking the districts and races as we speak. Karl Rove will be in big demand as a "consultant". There will be some surprising "upsets". Republican commissioned polls will show that people are concerned about "fiscal responsibility" and are turning to the "new conservatives". Which will all be bulls!@t, but that's the cover story.

What are the Dems doing to make sure this doesn't happen AGAIN?

[AtomicKitten]

1. Diddly, apparently.

What are the Dems doing to make sure this doesn't happen AGAIN?

[peace13]

2. I resigned from working the polls in Ohio for just this reason.

Working the polls was something that I did as a service to this country. I wrote the BOE and said that when they get rid of the machines I will be back. Our SOS has been trying to make headway on this issue to the point of declaring the machines easily hackable. You would think that would get the ball rolling but no, Ohio rethugs just love them some black box voting!

[Captain Hilts]

4. And people who have to wait in line for 5 hours to vote have been denied the right to vote....

ER: Hell yeah! This machine works like a dream!

[peace13]

8. I encourage everyone that I know to vote on paper ballot.

Absentee's are paper and should be walked into the BOE for deposit. If it disappears from there then at least we know where the problem is. We can vote at the BOE prior to election day including several Saturday mornings. This seems to help with the lines and with folks that have to work during the week (although there are fewer and fewer of those in Ohio lately). The funny thing is that when the electronic machine first came on scene no one wanted to use them. We now have paper ballots at the polls as well as machines and you should see the noses turn if you tell the voters that they can use a paper ballot. They just love those computers. Go figure. Peace, Kim

[Captain Hilts]

9. That's what I've done for several elections. nt

[CreekDog]

18. I mail mine but I also check online to see that it's received

in fact within my circle most of us vote absentee through the mail and i can't recall a single time our ballot was not received.

[CreekDog]

17. I worked at the polls in Reno, Nevada with electronic machines and they had safeguards

printouts with every ballot cast for example.

[Sebastian Doyle]

3. The electro fraud machines absolutely need to go NOW

Anyone who doesn't think these fraudulent pieces of crap weren't used in 2006 and 2008 is deluding themselves. It just so happens that the turnout was large enough to overcome the fraud. We can't count on that in 2010, but we definitely CAN count on every desperate Repuke Teabagger turning out to overthrow Congress.

As for the current "Dems" doing anything about this..... well lets just say some of them are probably complicit. It's no coincidence that there were "questions" in the 2004 and 2008 New Hampshire primary.

[Wilms]

5. I think this headline sums it up.

Diebold Admits Systemic Audit Log Failure; State Vows Inquiry
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/03/diebold-admits

:shrug:

So I guess they'll get back to us when they realize that Diebold's admission is true. :eyes:

[Gregorian]

6. That, combined with our Wizard of Oz media.

They go hand in hand.

It's hard to imagine a phoney teabag revolution, while ignoring global warming, population, torture, illegal invasion, illegitimate voting systems... That's what our fourth estate has become.

[Occam Bandage]

7. Clearly the '06 and '08 results were Rovian tricks to lull us into a false sense of security. nt

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

11. 06 and 08 do not negate what clearly happened in 04

I think when the margins get too wide they back off out of fear of discovery. Glad you're comfortable with a system the rest of the world rejects for it's lack of transparency and hackability. I personally am not willing to let my vote be uncounted or altered.

[Occam Bandage]

29. What happened? You mean the results matched the pre-election polling

perfectly, just as they did in '06 and in '08? Oh, yes, that's very suspicious.

[BeFree]

14. Keep Drinking the Kool-aid

Occams razor cuts to the bone when it is used to explain why republicans were ever in such control: They cheated. Can you ever give another reason why they won so many elections? Of course you can't.


Cut to the bone, yer' gonna need a bandage for that....

[CreekDog]

19. Well a number of people I know liked Obama and grew weary of Republicans

around 2006.

but of course, THAT couldn't have explained the elections of 2006 and 2008. :wtf:

[BeFree]

20. Well

If you knew your history you'd know that the in the time from 2004 to 2006 many of the machines were outlawed and activists were looking over the shoulders of the vote counters which made them to be more careful.

Are you saying people actually liked GWB in 2004? And they voted him back into office by a majority because they liked the course he was on? Really?

[CreekDog]

21. yes, the difference in the number of people who liked Bush in 2004

and 2006/2008 was tremendous.

and clearly there was unfairness in the 2004 election due to lines, lack of equipment and who knows what else in Ohio. but in the main, Bush went from mid 40s-50-ish approval in 2004 to mid 20s by the time Obama was elected and the election results basically tracked that change.

i knew something was up when a friend from church who always votes Republican told me he voted for Obama and that he said after McCain picked Palin there was absolutely no way he was voting for them.

[BeFree]

22. See?

You don't know your voting machine history, you are either willfully ignorant or just plain dumb about that history. I don't know, and really, I don't care, but your idea that Bushco ever won an election is a writing of history that can't be allowed to go unchallenged.

[CreekDog]

23. quote me

before you stick words in my mouth.

[BeFree]

24. I stuck something in your mouth?

What was it? Did it make you cough? Go ahead, cough it up what it was you say I stuck in your mouth.

[CreekDog]

25. i didn't say he won fairly but i did say he was a lot more popular when he did

a point you did nothing to address.

but keep it up, i'm sure you are convincing lots of people with your charm. :eyes:

[BeFree]

26. Convince them of what?

Here, here's a pat on your back so you can cough up what I stuck in your mouth.

[CreekDog]

27. That you aren't patronizing

:eyes:

[Occam Bandage]

30. Occam's razor doesn't help you at all here.

The pre-election polling matched the election results. To believe in a conspiracy, you have to believe that the pollsters, the states, the Democrats, the Republicans, and the voting-machine manufacturers were engaged in an enormous cover-up (one dating back to 2002, when the Republicans won and when there were no electronic machines whatsoever). I think that's a bit more complex than "they won because more people liked their message than like the Democrats' message in '02 and '04."

[salguine]

10. Of course, it might be self-inflicted, too...The Democrats are going tp pay the price

at the polls if they continue to fuck around on health care reform. I suspect the only reason Big Tobacco wasn't invited to participate in the talks was 'cause they ran out of chairs.

Conversely, I wish the President and the Democratic leadership would get it through their goddamned skulls that if they brought serious health care reform that includes a viable national health care system to America, it would be a blow to the Republican Party that it might not recover from, and a hundred years from now Obama would be held in the same regard as Washington, Lincoln and FDR are now.

Goddammit.

[pnorman]

12. According to Greg Palast,, about 6 million votes were STOLEN in the 2008 election.

Palast is generally abrasive and "lurid", but he does excellent investigative journalism. I believe him, and that might help explain a seeming "discrepancy". Obama's victory last year (~55% of the popular vote) was gratifyingly impressive. But his overall rating, seems to be a lot higher!

pnorman

[Occam Bandage]

31. There's a much easier way to explain that "discrepancy."

Some people liked both candidates but liked McCain more, and some other people didn't like Obama but grew to like him as they saw him as a President of all America and not as a candidate of the Democratic party.

[pnorman]

32. Perhaps, but only to a relatively minor degree.

It would require some tedious Googling to confirm it, but my recollection was that Obama's popularity (as measured by reliable sources) was a lot higher than 55%, from as early as Election Day.

pnorman
PS: I regard Palast's figure of 6M stolen votes, as a reliable estimate.

[Occam Bandage]

33. Really? I don't think there's anything out of the ordinary about either

Obama's approval rating or Obama's margin of victory. It would be surprising if there were a President whose approval rating wasn't higher than his election-day margin.

Even your "as early as election day" business still doesn't account for two very large pieces of the puzzle: people who liked both McCain and Obama, and people who did not vote but who somewhat liked Obama.

The election-day results matched pre-election polling perfectly. Spot-on. Hit it on the button. It's kind of silly to say that Obama actually outperformed the polls by six million votes, but those six million votes disappeared, and no, there's not really been any evidence of that anywhere, but it had to have been so trust me it was stolen.

(And why would they bother stealing six million? That's such a strange amount to steal. It's like you think the Republicans are Saturday-Morning Cartoon villains, who fuck around with things for no purpose but impotent villainy.

[LynneSin]

13. We'll lose our majority because they're outbreeding us

:scared:

Duggars - nuff said!

[BeFree]

15. What will we do?

Unless there is a miracle in DC and the machines are outlawed along with
torture and the rest of Bushco's ""legal because the president says so""
we can only count on a massive turnout.

And oh what a relief that was for the people who fought the machines all along.
Methinks, like me, that we are just taking a breather these days.

Soon, we'll be back at it, cheer us on if you won't join in.

[stillcool]

16. The people will wait until..

after the next election, and then complain that their votes did not count, because of the way their state chooses to run their elections. They will then insist that the candidate make sure their votes are counted. Congress? Before the next election there will be a few bills introduced that will go nowhere, and because it will be pre-election no one will care.

[Senator]

28. K&R