Donald Trump on Miss California: Same as Barack Obama (stance on gay marriage)

[Freddie Stubbs]

President Barack Obama ended up in the middle of an unlikely controversy this morning — the debate over Miss California’s position on gay marriage.

At a press conference addressing Carrie Prejean’s disputed title in the Miss USA competition, pageant owner Donald Trump compared Prejean’s stated views on gay marriage to Obama’s.

“It's the same answer that the president of the United States gave,” Trump said. “She gave an honorable answer. She gave an answer from her heart.”

In her own remarks moments later, Prejean echoed Trump’s statement, telling reporters: “The president of the United States, the secretary of state, and many Americans agree with me in this belief.”

more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22413.html

[thewiseguy]

1. Trump is an attention whore.

[polmaven]

12. Trump is also

the "owner" of the pageant, and was, therefore, "the decider". He didn't just speak out to get attention.

[Mike Daniels]

22. Which is why no one should be surprised by his decision

After all, who the hell knows the name of the actual winner?

Prejean was a publicity goldmine (I expect her to be out and about more than the offical winner) and as a result of the photos Trump can basically shake any pretense that Miss USA isn't just about T&A and sex up the show even more next year.

[Politicalboi]

35. I thought she had lost too

And I'll be go to hell if I know the winners name or what she even looks like. They way they were talking today is like she was the winner. Maybe she had won before. I don't follow these cattle calls. Not saying you or anyone else does too.

[Mike Daniels]

42. I think Prejean is the ultimate winner esp. compared to the actual winner

Prejean effectively now has a career as spokesperson for any right wing cause that wants to hire her and I'm sure there will be no shortage of groups lining up to hire her as a speaker at their events.

At this point, if I were the actual winner I think I'd be a bit pissed.

[marshall]

64. Perez Hilton is the real winner here, let's not kid ourselves

He knew this would blow up into a big issue when he asked the question--not that it shouldn't have been asked, but beauty queens are not rocket scientists or future judges. Hilton has milked this for all its worth, which is his stock and trade.

[ronnykmarshall]

65. He's a pig.

[Blue_Tires]

74. Trump is the winner...the ratings for next year will probably double

[Binka]

57. Still Grinding Your Teeth Dear

Must hurt.

[billyoc]

2. Ouch.

[Metric System]

3. Trump is a POS. The issue isn't her answer. The issue is that she has actively gotten involved in

the anti-gay marriage movement. That's the difference between her and President Obama. She is actively working against equal rights. Trump is blurring the issue and looking for more publicity. I knew that this would be his decision because it would cause the most controversy.

[Old Hank]

43. I think that's false. Her critics began criticizing her before her involvement with that group

Besides, a poll released today found that 58% of Californians think it's ok for her to appear in ads campaigning against gay marriage. I disagree with her but that's the public sentiment according to Survey USA:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=c161bb14-3da0-4be4-9f9b-7d491cbfd850

[Laughing Mirror]

4. "and many Americans agree with me in this belief"

It's just a belief, it's not real. That's what's wrong with that "belief." It is only a belief. It does not relflect reality.

[vaberella]

5. Trump is a JACKASS. n/t

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

6. Hope this doesn't surprise anyone. Trump is a sucker for trashy, dumb blondes.

[mkultra]

72. me too frankly.

[KayLaw]

7. Huh?

I thought her porno pictures were the issue.

[Lex]

8. Trump defended her answer about gay marriage today too

by saying it was the same as the President's, so what's the big deal. That was part of what he said anyway.

[cwcwmack]

30. lol...

if those pictures were in a film... it wouldn't have merited a PG-13 rating!

[ZombieHorde]

55. I am pretty sure nipple shots get a pg-13 rating at the very least. nt

[KayLaw]

61. That's not at all true.

She was completely topless.

[Mz Pip]

9. Big difference

Obama isn't out there shilling for anti-gay marriage groups.

[Cha]

10. That wasn't the reason she should

have been fired..they're using a fucking red herring..assholes.

[Egnever]

14. I think if we are honest with ourselves....

It is the reason she should have been fired. The pics that I have seen are tame and similar ones can be seen daily on any number of "family friendly" TV channels.

[Cha]

15. The lying about it is what

I'm talking about. I don't care about her damn pics.

She's scuz and there she is representing California with donald trump as her benefactor..maybe they can get California out of the red.

[Egnever]

16. I don't disagree

I think she is a poor representative for the US. But somehow a fairly apt one. I wish that weren't true but I think it really is. Our country is sick we have gone way to far to wards a nation of selfish petulant assholes. I think she represents that very well.

[Cha]

25. Hey Egnever..

remember me? "zidzi" from the Dean Days? I remember you.:hi:

[Egnever]

41. Of course I do

Heya Zidzi! Why the name change?

[Cha]

76. It's my name..

"zidzi" was something I put together when I first got on the computer and it seemed everyone had all the names I came up with. Sure enough, no one had zidz.:)

[Window]

59. Ooh, ooh, maybe she can as Palin's vice president. LOL! n/t

[ZombieHorde]

56. You see nipple shots on "family friendly" TV channels? In the U.S.?

[Egnever]

77. Those hadnt come out when I wrote that

[ZombieHorde]

79. I understand, gossip moves quickly. nt

[soccermomforobama]

11. Obama also was vocal is his opposition to measures like Prop 8

so using Trump's logic- Carrie Prejean opposes measures like Prop 8. . .

[Bluenorthwest]

20. Vocal? not really

The Yes On H8 folks had robo calls of the candidate Obama saying pretty much what Trump says he said. That he opposes 'gay marriage' by which he means he is anti-equality for reasons of religious dogma. Just like Carrie. That is the sad fact o' the matter.

[ErinBerin84]

21. Obama wrote a letter

opposing prop 8 that the campaign did not use to their advantage. I agree that he definitely wasn't as "vocal" in his opposition to it as he should have been , but the campaign against prop 8 definitely could have utilized him better too.


Both Obama and Carrie's stances are wrong. Obama hasn't said that he is being persecuted or tempted by the devil by getting ASKED about gay marriage though...yet anyway.

[Bluenorthwest]

23. It was a group of straight Democratic advisors

that did not use that letter, which was not sent to No on 8, by the way. The letter was going to be problematic, due to the mixed message he was sending. While he 'opposed Prop 8' in written words, he was also all over in modern media style sound bite land saying he opposed gay marriage because he's a Christian. So while I myself probably would have tried to use that letter somehow, it sure would not have been easy, as it was a far weaker tool than the gifts he'd given to the other side all through his campaign. He did not respond to requests for stronger and recorded statements against Prop 8. That is just the way it is. He could easily have been far more clear, had he wished to be, and it would have been extremely helpful.

[ErinBerin84]

24. I don't disagree with you

Both of them are wrong. I never knew if it was advisors or the Prop 8 campaign though that didn't use the letter. I remember it being posted about earlier and no one knew at the time why it wasnt' used. Where did you read that? I don't doubt that it is true, I am just curious because I had always wondered.


Anyway, I'm not surprised about Donald letting her keep the crown. He loves this shit. But she used the press conference to make herself into a victim who "shall not be silenced" , even though that had nothing to do with what the press conference was supposed to be about.

[Bluenorthwest]

32. I'm with you as well

I'm the last person you will hear defending any of the GLBT political groups in power these days...too weak in the knee for my taste. I've had the same reaction in more than one state, around more than one issue.
I'm trying to remember the name of the group that handled that letter...something 'Street' I think. I think I read about it, but I might have heard more directly at the time. But it is always the same thing, with all of them. With the letter I can understand the position a bit, and many people, many, who normally would have been fully out against 8 were understandably focused on the big event, defeating McCain. Much energy was given to Obama, as it would have been to any Democrat, I don't blame him.
California is my home state, and the thing that drove me away was apathy on the part of too many people. The one thing that the Prop 8 mess has done that I am happy about is that it woke a few people up, there are some good people who have actually realized that they failed to pay attention when it meant something. They really wish they'd done more, before. For once they see their part in the problem. Part of it is a now disproved faith in California as the bastion of all things liberal and cutting edge. Many many people really thought 8 had no chance in CA, so they didn't do much.
In some ways, Carrie is the Miss California they deserve at this time. You know? A fake version of the old CA beauty, corrupt and bigoted below a surgical veneer of cosmetic fashion. Not a bad choice for CA 2009. Sadly.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Was John McCain the only other contestant for Miss USA?

[Political Tiger]

17. Did Obama pose topless, then lie about it while claiming he was a Christian?

Furthermore, did Obama strut around on national TV in a skimpy bathing suit with fake boobs hanging out while pretending to have better morals than the rest of us?

And I guarantee Prejean didn't vote for Obama, if she bothered to vote at all, and the sexist Trump endorsed McCain....and now suddenly they care what Obama thinks?

The hypocrisy with these people never stops!

[twitomy]

26. Huh?

I think Obama is far more dangerous to the civil rights of Gays by his opposition to gay marriage as
he is the most powerful man in the world. Who is Prejan but a bubble-headed bimbo with no political power. So who care what she thinks...And BTW she never said her "morals" are better than anyone else's. She just stated her stupid belief, and left it at that. Last I checked, having a bigoted beliefs is not against the law. So I think the frothing here over Prejean is just projection that should be directed at Obama. But of course we cant have that now can we?

[Political Tiger]

28. LOL!

:tinfoilhat:

[emilyg]

33. Bingo.

[CakeGrrl]

37. Newsflash: Obama STILL isn't responsible for overturning Prop 8 in California

And the frothing that's directed at Obama never stops. It doesn't need to be projected. Miss California is a liar and a sanctimonious hypocrite and an opportunist who name-drops POTUS when it suits her need at the moment. Period. Donald Trump? 'Nuff said.

People who never liked Obama find creative ways to express it all the time.

:rofl:

[twitomy]

78. Sorry, I think the blow-up over Miss California is overblown.

She was asked a question, she gave an honest question. She is not the first to not agree with Gay Marriage, just ask the President. Sounds like the "Thought Police" is going after her becasue she had the audacity to give the "wrong" answer. Not very "Progressive" IMHO. I believe in free speech, even if I detest what is said. And as I said before, who gives a rats ass about her opinion anyway? Its the people who affect change that matters to me.

[SoxFan]

27. ...

:evilgrin:

[Political Tiger]

29. Oh the horror! A man at the beach without a shirt! n/t

[masuki bance]

38. dupe.

[Baby Snooks]

18. And Donald Trump is such a fine example of "values" himself...

If I were the current Mrs. Trump, I would be reflecting on the past Mrs. Trumps. One Trump Tramp seems to follow another.

[WI_DEM]

19. Well, how many politicians have called for gay marriage--not many. It's a lame excuse on Trump's

part.

[twitomy]

31. So who's to blame for blocking Gay Marriage...

Politicians in our own party, or some plastic barbie?
We should expend our energy on the right target.

[ShadowLiberal]

46. Exactly, Politicians have to worry about what the majority thinks, Miss California doesn't

The fact is with opposition to gay marriage still polling higher then support for gay marriage it's still a very risky move to try to run a national campaign while shouting "I fully support gay marriage". In more and more blue states it's certainly become possible to run a campaign shouting your support for gay marriage everywhere, and it'll get that way at the national level with time (I'd guess in around a decade), but until purple states start legalizing gay marriage or seriously considering/debating it we're not there yet.

Models like Miss California however don't have to care or worry about what the public thinks, especially if they don't even seem to care about losing their crown/title anymore (which I honestly think Prejean didn't care about anymore given some of her recent actions, like skipping events she was supposed to attend as the reigning Miss California).

[jenmito]

34. So Obama said in HIS country we can "choose between same-sex marriage and opposite marriage"?

And was Obama a spokesman for "traditional marriage"? And did Prejean say she felt gay couples deserved all the rights and benefits of straight couples?

[AspenRose]

36. Leave Obama out of it

Trump, this is about your lying, contract-negating Miss California (who also happens to be a hypocrite and a bigot).

You guys are two peas in a pod meant for each other. :puke:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

39. They always blame the black guy.

[TheCoxwain]

40. How did this fuck get into Wharton?

[Raineyb]

67. A guess: His father bought his way in.

:shrug:

I could be wrong.

[Clio the Leo]

44. The woman is gonna end up with a pie in the face before this is over....

..... not that I'm ADVOCATING that mind you. But it's bound to happen.

[Dinger]

45. Is This Really Obama's View?

I should know the answer, but I don't.

[Freddie Stubbs]

62. Depends on whether you believe that he is being truthful, or is he throwing gays under the bus

in order to pander to those who do not favor gay rights.

[TankLV]

47. Ouch! The TRUTH hurts...!!!

Obama has proven himself NO friend of GBLT persons...that's for sure...

but

like the poster above said:

Obama isn't out there shilling for anti-gay marriage groups.

[Old Hank]

48. Trump's comparison of Miss California and Obama on gay marriage rated as "true" by independent site

Excerpt, from Politifact.com, winner of a Pulitzer prize for its coverage of the 2008 elections:

Here's the part of Prejean's answer that matters: "I think in my country, in my family, I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman. No offense to anybody out there, but that's how I was raised."

Controversy followed.

So let's see how that stacks up to Obama's stated position on same-sex marriage:

* "You know, I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman." (an interview with ABC's Jake Tapper, June 16, 2008)

* "I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian, it's also a sacred union. You know, God's in the mix." (an interview with Rev. Rick Warren, Aug. 16, 2008)

** "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage." (an MTV interview, Nov. 1, 2008)

Note that Trump referred to Prejean's answer to Perez Hilton's question during the pageant.

More: http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/may/12/miss-california-usa/miss-usa-runner-carrie-prejeans-comments-same-sex-/

[Honeycombe8]

49. Silly statement, since Obama and Miss CA were not asked the SAME question.

SHE was asked about one or more states passing gay marriage bills, allowing gay marriage, and should states allow it...or something like that.

HE was asked whether he believes gays should be allowed to marry.

SHE answered that in accordance with the way she was raised, marriage should be between a man and a woman, "no offense to anyone out there," blah blah blah.

HE answered that he personally believes marriage should be between a man and a woman, but that he is against a constitutional amendment prohibiting it, and he is in favor of civil unions whether the legal protections of marriage can be achieved by gay people (or something like that).

These opinions are interesting, but at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter WHAT either of their opinion is on the subject.

[totodeinhere]

50. No, it matters a lot what the opinion of the POTUS is.

These opinions are interesting, but at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter WHAT either of their opinion is on the subject.

He is the number one citizen of this country. His opinions are very important although of course the opinions of others are also important.

[Honeycombe8]

51. Well, his op. matters in one respect: he will veto any attempt at a

constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, he said. Other than that, it doesn't matter one bit whether he is for or against gay marriage.

[totodeinhere]

52. Don't you think that his opinion might have an influence on others? I do. n/t

[Honeycombe8]

53. Nope. I really don't. nt

[Hippo_Tron]

60. Constitutional amendments aren't subject to the President's veto

[marshall]

68. On the grounds that it is a right granted to the states

It's a sticky situation.

[JI7]

54. Donald Trump supported John McCain, so why does he care what Obama thinks

[spoony]

58. Really enjoying the contortions

of people trying to simultaneously criticise this dingbat girl and defend Obama's position. So far the efforts aren't that convincing, though. I know whose position is more worthy of our attention, do you?

[rocktivity]

63. What else can Trump say? He literally owns a piece of her!

"You're fired because you entered the contest knowing there were semi-nude photos of you. And I'm deducting your boob job from your severance pay."

:crazy:
rocktivity

[ronnykmarshall]

66. and got a piece too

[centristgrandpa]

69. slow is good...

Team Obama is taking baby steps along the political path to ensure that after the shock wears off (elections) that he can push forth his agenda, kudos to him. Remember when bj Bill tried to push health care reform too fast.

[Lex]

70. "bj Bill" ??

:eyes:

[centristgrandpa]

75. silly mood...

It's a tag we gave Bill Clinton when he was accused of getting a blow-job in the white house.

[AspenRose]

71. This stunt is going to bite The Donald squarely on The Ass

Donald Trump does not think about the big picture. He only thinks about the benefit in the here-and-now, never considering the consequences of his actions. (Perhaps that's why he's filed for bankruptcy so many times....)

GLBT folks spend lots of their hard-earned money in the travel and resort industries. I would LOVE to see an all-out mass boycott of all of Trump's resorts and real estate by travel and resort organizations, especially those who cater to the GLBT demographic. (I for one would welcome such an event and would wholeheartedly participate. :thumbsup: )

I also predict his actions will not be looked upon favorably by many in the Hollywood jet-set crowd, regardless of sexual orientation.

[Doctor_J]

73. Yes, but Obama has real boobs

answer that, you twit!