I wish folks wouldn't just make shit up!

[FrenchieCat]

The Health Care ad that Obama ran during the general election in September 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnk8minM3Qg


What he specifically said about his health care plan during the debate the 2nd debate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erspfMkqLN4&feature=related

Those who insist that its Single Payer or Bust...than so be busted.

[FrenchieCat]

1. A dose of reality.......

[SamCooke]

2. I remember one of the Debates and McCain had a "Damn that is a good plan" look on his face

I think it was the one where they were sitting down.

[FrenchieCat]

3. Barack Obama stated his plan during each of the three debates....

I'm just not sure if some folks were truly listening. :shrug:

[SamCooke]

4. I found the video of McCain (Funny stuff)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UntEHYldcc4

[RandomThoughts]

5. People that say he is going back on promises would fit your post.

But people advocating for the programs they think are better is ok also.

I think there is two different views. Some say he is not doing what he said, some want more input form other groups. Not putting organizations of nurses in the debate really shows who is pushing the agenda. Nurses and Doctors have the best view of how the system works between patients and Doctors, the people the system is suppose to work for.

Although some think the system is suppose to work for those that have stock in Insurance or Medical companies.

[FrenchieCat]

7. I have no problems with those who advocate what they would like to have

White House Forum on Health Reform Attendees

I. BREAKOUT SESSION ONE: STATE DINING ROOM

Moderator: Melody Barnes
Moderator: Bob Kocher

Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND)
Sen. Mike Enzi (R-WY)
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)
Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Rep. Rob Andrews (D-NJ)
Rep. Baron Hill (D-IN)
Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL)
Rep. Jo Ann Emerson (R-MO)
Rep. Allyson Schwartz (D-PA)
Rep. Earl Pomeroy (D-ND)
Rep. John Conyers (D-MI)
SEIU, Dennis Rivera
Business Roundtable, Ken Powell (CEO of General Mills)
American Hospital Association, Rich Umbdenstock
American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network, Daniel Smith
American Nurses Association, Rebecca Patton
Blue Cross Blue Shield Association, Scott Serota
Consortium for Citizens with Disabilities (CCD) Health Task Force,
Peter Thomas
Planned Parenthood, Cecile Richards
National Council of La Raza (NCLR), Janet Murguia


II. BREAKOUT SESSION TWO: EEOB 350

Moderator: Valerie Jarrett
Moderator: Zeke Emanuel

Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT)
Sen. Robert Bennett (R-UT)
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)
Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)
Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-MD)
Rep. Roy Blunt (R-MO)
Rep. Miller (D-CA)
Rep. Buck McKeon (R-CA)
Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-CT)
Rep. Donna Christensen (D-VI)
Rep. Tim Murphy (R-PA)
Rep. Michael Burgess (R-TX)
Rep. Nathan Deal (R-GA)
National Association of Manufacturers, John Engler
Federation of American Hospitals, Chip Kahn
University of Chicago Medical School, Eric Whitaker
Pfizer, Jeff Kindler
PICO, Scott Hersey Reed
National Partnership for Women and Families, Deb Ness
Racial and Ethnic Health Disparities, Fredette West
Alliance for Retired Americans, Ed Coyle


III. BREAKOUT SESSION THREE: EEOB 474

Moderator: Peter Orszag
Moderator: Secretary Shinseki

Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA)
Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH)
Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH)
Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY)
Rep. Dave Camp (R-MI)
Rep. Frank Pallone (D-NJ)
Rep. Lois Capps (D-CA)
Rep. Wally Herger (R-CA)
Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-CA)
Rep. Patrick Kennedy (D-RI)
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA)
United Food and Commercial Workers International Union (UFCW), Joe Hansen
National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB), Dan Danner
Catholic Health Association, Sister Carol Keehan
Hispanic Medical Association, Elena Rios
America's Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), Karen Ignani
Campaign for Mental Health Reform, Bill Emmet
Asian and Pacific Islander Health Forum, Dr. Ho Tran
Families USA, Ron Pollack
Center for American Progress, John Podesta

IV. BREAKOUT SESSION FOUR: EEOB 180

Moderator: Nancy-Ann DeParle
Moderator: Diana Farrel

Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT)
Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA)
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)
Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA)
Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX)
Rep. Jim Cooper (D-TN)
AFL-CIO, Gerry Shea
Small Business Majority, John Arensmeyer
American Medical Association, Nancy Nielsen
PhRMA, Billy Tauzin
National Indian Health Board, Stacey Bohlen
National Association of People Living with AIDS, Frank Oldham


V. BREAKOUT SESSION FIVE: EEOB 248

Moderator: Larry Summers
Moderator: Neera Tanden

Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-NM)
Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR)
Rep. John Dingell (D-MI)
Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-CA)
Rep. Mike Ross (D-AR)
Rep. Pete Stark (by phone) (D-CA)
Teamsters, Jim Hoffa
U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Tom Donahue
National Medical Association, Mohammad Akhter
Children’s Defense Fund, Marian Wright Edelman
AARP, Bill Novelli
HCAN, Richard Kirsch
University of Miami, Donna Shalala

Everyday Americans
In December, 2008 the Transition’s Health Policy Team solicited everyday Americans to hold Health Care Community Discussions around the country. The seven everyday Americans listed below all conveyed problems with the current health care system, expressed a desire to reform the system, and hosted discussions in their communities on health care issues. They were invited to participate in Thursday’s White House Forum on Health Reform.

Travis Ulerick is a 24-year old firefighter from Dublin, Indiana. He started out as a firefighter and first responder for the volunteer fire department on June 28, 2000. When the fire department became the sole EMS provider for the southwestern portion of Wayne County in 2007, Ulerick was one of the four crew members hired to work full-time on the department's ambulance. He graduated from nearby Lincoln High School, and is currently a senior at Ball State University in Muncie, Indiana. Travis hosted a health care community discussion with other local first responders, doctors, and everyday Americans in January in the bay of Dublin’s fire station. Recently HHS staff followed Travis around his job, and he will be featured in an upcoming video on the new healthreform.gov website. *NOTE: Travis Ulerick will introduce the President at the opening session.

Julia Denton is a 52-year old Republican from Yorktown, Virginia. Her husband is an active duty Air Force dentist with more than 23 years service. Julia currently devotes her time to caretaking and advocacy on behalf of her son Matthew, who was born with a rare genetic disorder resulting in multiple disabilities. Although Julia was a volunteer for the McCain/Palin campaign during the general election, she is now committed to the Obama health plan. She hosted a health care community discussion in December and since has continued to support the health reform effort.

Siavash Sarlati is a 24-year old Iranian-born, American citizen, and a medical student at the University of Wisconsin. After completing high school, he pursued a degree in Biochemistry from the University of Wisconsin-Madison, graduating with honors. Siavash is currently a second-year medical student at the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Health, and he hopes to pursue a Masters in Public Health. Siavash hosted a health care community discussion in December. He is interested in doing his residency in an under-served urban area.

Yvonne Rubie is a 57-year old from Brooklyn, New York. She is an active volunteer at House of the Lord Church, where she hosted a health care community discussion in December. Yvonne has a master’s degree in public health and uses her skills to promote health and wellness through health fairs, church discussions, and information sessions on diabetes. In an effort to continue the community discussion, she is in the process of planning an event in May focusing on elder care. Yvonne is committed to improving health care at both the national and local level.

James Stoffer is a 54-year old teacher and small-business owner from Delafield, Wisconsin. As the owner of a malt shop, James is all too familiar with the high costs of insurance. Although his family has a history of cancer, he cannot afford the checkups due to cost. He spoke about insurance being an obstacle to fulfilling his lifelong dream of owning his own business and fears that the current system limits other entrepreneurs.

Jose Oliva is a 63-year old Mexican-born, United States Citizen from El Paso, Texas. Jose works as a Customs and Border Protection Officer along the Texas-Mexico border. He is a veteran who served in the United States Air Force from May 1965 through May 1969, and all his higher education costs were paid through the GI bill and part-time employment. Jose and his wife have been married for 38 years and have four grown children. In December, Jose hosted a health care community discussion, where group participants discussed challenges to people in impoverished areas of the country. Jose believes that the biggest challenge in reforming health care is by improving access to all Americans.

Angela Diggs is a 42-year old Washington D.C. native, who is the administrator of the Congress Heights Senior Wellness Center, which is a partnership of the District of Columbia Office on Aging and Providence Hospital’s Wellness Institute. The center provides health and wellness classes for seniors on D.C.’s southwest side. In December, Angela helped organize a health care community discussion.


Members of Congress Expected to Attend

Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV)
Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) – Assistant Majority Leader
Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA) – Chairman, HELP Committee
Sen. Mike Enzi (R-WY) – Ranking Member, HELP Committee
Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT) – Chairman, Finance Committee
Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA) – Ranking Member, Finance Committee
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) – Chairman, Health Subcommittee of the Finance Committee
Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) – Ranking Member, Health Subcommittee (Finance Committee)
Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) – Chairman, Appropriations Subcommittee on Health Care
Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) – Ranking Member, Appropriations Subcommittee on Health Care
Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND)
Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT)
Sen. Robert Bennett (R-UT)
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)
Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)
Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH)
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)
Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-NM)
Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR)
Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH)

Speaker Nancy Pelosi
Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-MD) – House Majority Leader
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA) – Republican Whip
Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-CA) – Vice Chair of Democratic Caucus
Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) – Chairman, Energy & Commerce Committee
Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX) – Ranking Member, Energy & Commerce Committee
Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY) – Chairman, Ways and Means Committee
Rep. Dave Camp (R-MI) – Ranking Member, Ways and Means Committee
Rep. George Miller (D-CA) – Chairman, Education and Labor Committee
Rep. Buck McKeon (R-CA) – Ranking Member, Education and Labor Committee
Rep. John Dingell (D-MI) – Chairman Emeritus of Energy & Commerce Committee
Rep. Frank Pallone (D-NJ) – Chairman, Health Subcommittee for Energy & Commerce
Rep. Nathan Deal (R-GA) – Ranking Member, Health Subcommittee for Energy & Commerce
Rep. Pete Stark (by phone) (D-CA) – Chairman, Health Subcommittee of Ways and Means
Rep. Wally Herger (R-CA) – Ranking Member, Health Subcommittee, Ways and Means
Rep. Rob Andrews (D-NJ) – Chair, Education & Labor Subcommittee on Health, Labor, et al.
Rep. John Conyers (D-MI)
Rep. Baron Hill (D-IN)
Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL)
Rep. Jo Ann Emerson (R-MO)
Rep. Allyson Schwartz (D-PA)
Rep. Earl Pomeroy (D-ND)
Rep. Roy Blunt (R-MO)
Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-CT)
Rep. Donna Christensen (D-VI)
Rep. Tim Murphy (R-PA)
Rep. Michael Burgess (R-TX)
Rep. Lois Capps (D-CA)
Rep. Patrick Kennedy (D-RI)
Rep. Jim Cooper (D-TN)
Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-CA)
Rep. Mike Ross (D-AR)

Community Leaders and Stakeholders Expected to Attend

(in alphabetical order by organization name)

AARP, Bill Novelli, President
ADAPT, Bobby Coward
AFL-CIO, Gerry Shea, Assistant to the President for Governmental Affairs
AFSCME, Gerry McEntee, President
AFT, Randy Weingarten, President
AIDS Action Rebecca Haag President and CEO
Alliance for Retired Americans, Ed Coyle, Executive Director
America’s Health Insurance Plans, Karen Ignani, President and CEO
American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network, Daniel Smith, President
American College of Physicians, Jeff Harris, President
American Academy of Pediatrics, David Tayloe, President
American College of Cardiology, W. Douglas Weaver, President
American Academy of Family Physicians, Ted Epperly, President
American Diabetes Association, Larry Hausner, CEO
American Heart Association, Timothy J. Gardner, President
American Hospital Association, Rich Umbdenstock, President
American Medical Association, Nancy Nielsen, President
American Nurses Association, Rebecca Patton, President
Asian and Pacific Islander Health Forum, Dr. Ho Tran, Executive Director
Association of Asian Pacific Community Health Organizations, Jeff Caballero, Executive Director
Building and Construction Trades Department, Mark Ayers, President
Better Health Care Together, Jody Hoffman, Executive Director
Blue Cross Blue Shield Association, Scott Serota, CEO
Campaign for America's Future, Roger Hickey, Founder and Co-Director
Campaign for Mental Health Reform, William Emmett, Director
Catholic Health Association, Sister Carol Keehan, President and CEO
CCD Health Task Force, Peter Thomas
CED, Charlie Kolb, CEO
Center for American Progress, John Podesta, President and CEO
Change to Win, Anna Burger, Chair
Children's Defense Fund, Marian Wright Edelman, Founding President
Columbia University Mailman School of Public Health, Irwin E. Redlener, M.D.
Communications Workers of America, Larry Cohen, President
Families USA, Ron Pollack, President
Federation of American Hospitals, Chip Kahn, President
General Mills, Ken Powell, President and CEO
Health Care for America Now, Richard Kirsch, National Campaign Manager
Hispanic Medical Association, Elena Rios, President
Human Rights Campaign, Joe Solmonese, President
Jennings Policy Strategies Group, Inc, Chris Jennings, President
League of United Latin American Citizens, Brent Wilkes, Executive Director
Markle Foundation, Zoe Baird, President
National Association of Counties, Valerie Brown, Incoming NACO Chair
National Association of Manufacturers, John Engler, President and CEO
National Association of People with AIDS, Frank Oldham, President and CEO
National Association of Community Health Centers, Tom Van Coverden, President and CEO
National Council of La Raza, Janet Murguia, President and CEO
National Jewish Hospital, Dr. Michael Salem, President ;
National Congress of American Indians, Jacqueline L. Johnson Pata, Executive Director
National Federation of Independent Businesses, Dan Danner, President
National Indian Health Board, Stacey Bohlen, Executive Director
National Medical Association, Mohammad Akhter, Executive Director
National Partnership for Women and Families, Debra Ness, President
National Business Group on Health, Helen Darling, President
National Association of Children's Hospitals, Larry McAndrews, President and CEO
National Association of Public Hospitals, Larry Gage, President
National Rural Health Association, Dennis Berens, President
National Coalition on Health Care, Henry Simmons, Founder
National Association for Home Care & Hospice, Val Halamandaris, President
National Women's Law Center, Marcia Greenberger, President
National Minority AIDS Council, Paul Kawata, President
National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, Rea Carey, President
National Hispanic Health Alliance, Dr. Jane Delgado, President
National Education Association, Dennis Van Roekel, President
Pfizer, Jeffrey Kindler, CEO
Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA), Billy Tauzin, President and CEO
Physicians for a National Health Plan, Dr. Oliver Fein, Director
PICO, Scott Hersey Reed, Executive Director
Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Cecile Richards, President
Racial and Ethnic Disparities Health Coalition, Fredette West, President
Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, Dr. Risa Lavizzo-Mourey, President and CEO
SEIU, Dennis Rivera, Chair
SEIU, Andy Stern, President
Small Business Majority, John Arensmeyer, Founder and CEO
Teamsters, Jim Hoffa, President
Trust for America's Health, Jeff Levi, Executive Director
UAW, Ronald Gettelfinger, President
UFCW, Joe Hansen, President
University of Chicago Medical School, Eric Whitaker, Executive Vice President For Strategic Affiliations
University of Miami, Donna Shalala, President
USW, Leo Gerard, President
US Chamber, Tom Donohue, President
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/white-house-forum-on-health-reform-attendees-and-breakout-session-participants/


I do have a problem with those who say that Obama said that he would entertain the idea of Single Payer and that he is going back on his promise.

Also, I disagree with those who say Single Payer or nothing.

[RandomThoughts]

13. You make a good point.

When I said not allowing Doctors or Nurses, I should have said Doctors and Nurses advocating for single payer. That was an oversight on my part. Thanks for correcting it.

And I do understand that a mix of a public option with lowering costs, like Dean spoke about sounds like a pretty good idea. Then if the congressional like public option shows itself to be liked by many people, it can grow and eventually move to single payer. If it did not, for what ever reason, then private system would continue. But the public option has to be a legitimate option. If the public option is just funneled through insurance companies nothing changes.

The whole idea that the insurance companies can lower cost over next years, shows that their is a monopoly. If they could lower cost, they would have by competition pressure, so the fact that they can, indicates that there may be some cooperative price fixing. I have also heard(but not verified) some reports of healthy profits in private sectors of health care, while the actual care/cost ratio gets worse, another indication of monopoly.

The single payer is the better system, the reason we do not have it is the fear of social programs and the profit of corporations. That logic forces me to support single payer. Only profit supports the private, or even the mixed system.

I do not support single payer or nothing.

But I will continue to advocate for single payer till it happens, or till the private sector is modified to give what I would consider an equal level of care for all of society. Its just my opinion though, everyone has one :)

[ZombieHorde]

6. I don't understand your OP.

Those who insist that its Single Payer or Bust...than so be busted.

What does this mean?

[FrenchieCat]

8. Those who say Single Payer or I walk......

Will have to walk....cause they don't want to find common ground.

[ZombieHorde]

9. I believe almost all of us have an issue which is nonnegotiable.

I guess you could make a series of these OPs if you were so inclined.

Or we could make attempts at having discussions with the intent of bringing them in.

I think your French supplemental insurance thread was in this vein.

[FrenchieCat]

10. I think some should look into Howard Dean's organization

I find it worthy.... http://www.standwithdrdean.com/

[ZombieHorde]

11. Thanks for the link, looks like there is a lot of material there.

[FrenchieCat]

12. And the House is going to make sure there is a Public Option included

Regardless of Baucus talking a bunch of shit.
Ted Kennedy hasn't had his say yet, and believe me,
he will be weighing in.

My only point is that this is far from over,
but I don't see Single Payer as where we will be starting from,
and those who say that its either that or nothing
are making perfect the enemy of the not quite as perfect,
but better than what we've got.....Way better in fact.

I don't have the luxury of being uncompromising
and unwilling to find common ground, cause my health care bill
is nearly killing me as of right now.


House Health Plan to Include Government-Run Option

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the House this year will consider health-care legislation including an option for a government-run program that would compete with insurers.

“This is a big agenda, and I believe it should have a public option in it for it to be really substantial,” Pelosi told reporters at her weekly news conference in the U.S. Capitol.

~
Pelosi said the Democratic-controlled House will be “aggressive” in its approach to a health-care overhaul, which is a centerpiece of Obama’s agenda. She said a government role in health care will help U.S. companies be more competitive.

“This is not only about the health of individuals in our country, which will be justification enough,” said Pelosi, a California Democrat. “It’s about the competitiveness of our businesses to make them globally competitive because they are competing with companies and countries where the federal government -- their governments -- pay for health care. They don’t have to bear those health care costs.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=axI6NVjq8cfI&refer=worldwide

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Baucus, Pelosi clash on health care

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says she's still committed to using a procedural trick to fast-track health care reforms this year — despite opposition from Sen. Max Baucus, the powerful chairman of the Senate Finance Committee.

"I believe it's absolutely essential that we come out of this year with a substantial health care reform," Pelosi said during her weekly press conference. "I believe that is best served by having reconciliation in the package."
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20525.html

[ZombieHorde]

37. "my health care bill is nearly killing me as of right now"

Sounds extremely frustrating. I can see how a person in your situation would grow impatient with all or nothing attitudes.

Again, thanks for the info, with finals week and out of town visits, I have been out of the news loop (I know I could I read the news instead of coming here, but where is the fun in that?)

[billyoc]

14. You're quite right, his health care plan was always RomneyCare. Doesn't mean we have to take it.

[FrenchieCat]

15. calling a health care plan a name

isn't debate nor discussion!

Try again.

Find some awful article to post or something that is at least cogent and worth my time!

[billyoc]

16. Just because I'm replying to you doesn't mean I'm talking to you.

I'm addressing the(hopefully few) people that might think they have to settle the health care plan Obama campaigned on.

[FrenchieCat]

17. Calling it a Romney Health Plan isn't talking to anyone.....

it's just calling a name out there for effect.

[billyoc]

19. I'll decide what "talking to people" is, not you.

[Telly Savalas]

41. As a representative of "the people", I have to say you're just hanging a name

on the plan and not offering anything more.

[billyoc]

20. The name is RomneyCare, not Romney Health Plan.

[joeybee12]

42. Romenycare is a great name! And you should keep name-calling because often

humorous names like that sum up the entire argument, thin-skinned persons be damned!

[rucky]

18. Are you saying the option should be shut out of public debate?

[FrenchieCat]

22. Nope. Re-read the posts in the thread.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

21. Thanks FC. People believe what they want to believe. n/t

[MadHound]

23. Obama also said "make me do it".

Consider this insistence on single payer UHC to be part of that effort to make him do it. After all, it is the democratic way for people to speak out for what they want from their government. But apparently, given the tenor of this post, you don't believe in the democratic process, just that we should shut up and take what Obama gives us.

Why does that not surprise me.

[FrenchieCat]

24. Are you for Single Payer or Nothing?

That's a question.

[MadHound]

26. I'm certainly for single payer UHC

I think that anything short of that, including Obama's plan, is simply another sop being thrown to the private insurance industry. Furthermore there are some options, like the mandatory insurance clause, that are being tossed about that I think will do more harm than good.

What about you, are you in favor of single payer UHC, or are you willing to keep the private insurance industry in the catbird's seat?

[Peacetrain]

25. That is NOT what she is saying.. FrenchieCat is saying, be honest about it

Not if you disagree with his stance..but some have tried to pull the "he lied" scenario..he did not.. Disagree with him on it,challenge his position with facts, but no one gets to make up their own "version of the facts" and then try and debate from that point.

[Name removed]

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Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Clio the Leo]

28. And we knew this was coming.......

.... so many folks pinned all of their hopes and dreams on him and there's no way he's going to make EVERYONE happy. While not everyone may think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread like I do ... I challenge ANYONE to find a BETTER alternative!!! ;)

They may not always like his methods .... but he will get it done.

[iamthebandfanman]

29. OMG youre so right! how dare we demand more from our president!

how dare we ask for something that he didnt specifically promise to give us during the election!

shame!

shame on all of us!

and our families!

a plague!@##$

[Lex]

33. Please be quiet and take what Pres. Obama says you should take.

Ask for NO MORE!

[stillcool]

36. So you only ask of your..

representatives, and the President what has been promised? You can't disagree with a policy and state your case for something else, without lying about what the President promised you?

[stillcool]

35. who said you shouldn't ask?

it's one thing to advocate for something, and another to accuse someone of not doing what they said they would. Surely you can lobby your representatives and the President through the means at your disposal..and do it truthfully.

[Lex]

39. Evidently, according to the OP, "Those who insist that its Single Payer or Bust"

nt

[stillcool]

43. I can't speak for the OP..

but it is often the case that those who accuse the President of going back on a promise, insist on Single-Payer or nothing..and from Obama...apparently not concerned at all with what their representatives are supporting, or how they will vote. It's kind of humorous that on a political site, so little attention is given to politics, or even how our government works isn't it?

[Phx_Dem]

30. In their defense, if they couldn't make shit up, they wouldn't have enough to bitch about.

[Lex]

31. Wait a sec--I'm not allowed to push for Single Payer because Obama didn't campaign for it?

That's what your OP seems to say.

[grantcart]

38. No your simply not allowed to say he broke a campaign promise on the issue

I think most of realize that it will eventually be single payer but the question now is modalities. It seems more practical to have a good pulic option and 'crowd out' private insurance rather than try and defeat them head on.

[HopeOverFear]

40. careful there, grant, you're talking common sense

can't have that. :sarcasm:

[harun]

46. While I agree and think the public option can be used to start killing off

the for-profit looters, I mean insurers. They need to keep single payer, namely H.R. 676 in play to hold over the heads of the insurance lobby. Saying don't squack about the public option or we are going to hit you over the head so hard with H.R. 676 that you will never wake up! That way you get a good public option in there at worst. You take H.R. 676 off the table from day one, the public option you will be left with after the insurance lobby works its magic will be a pile of crap if it even gets included at all.

[Mass]

32. I'm confused. Am I supposed to agree with Obama 100 % of the time.

I know he did not promise Single Payer during the campaign. Why does that mean I cannot advocate for it as the best solution?

[scheming daemons]

34. I think the OP was directed at those that are calling this a "broken campaign promise"

...

and there are many.

[masuki bance]

44. Are there really people who claim that Obama ran on single payer?

[FrenchieCat]

45. Yes.....

I didn't catalog them or anything,
but here's a couple....knowing there's way more!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5666548&mesg_id=5666671

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5675626&mesg_id=5675632

[Cha]

47. I'm ignoring the

first one and I'm surprised the second one says he backed down since he was never there in the first place!