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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 02:42 PM
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Conyers on Obama: ‘Why is he becoming so conservative now that he’s got the job?’
White House has declined to use 'stop loss' provisions to circumvent 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' discharges


By Todd A. Heywood

DETROIT — U.S. Rep. John Conyers, the Detroit Democrat who chairs the House Judiciary Committee, says it is time to repeal the 16-year-old ban on openly gay service members in the U.S. military. The controversial policy has become an issue for the White House since President Obama took office in January. During the 2008 campaign, Obama had promised to end the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy, but recently, the president has appeared to be backing off that statement.

“Why is he becoming so conservative now that he’s got the job?” Conyers asked during an interview with Michigan Messenger at a gathering of progressive activists on Saturday. “I think he is getting a lot of pressure put on him from the right, from conservatives. And he is trying to prove to the Republicans that he is bipartisan.”


According to a recent study by Santa Barbara, Calif.-based Palm Center, the president has the executive authority to stop the use of the law to kick out gay service members through the controversial stop-loss policy, which forcibly extends the duration of service for members of the military beyond the original end date.

“That use of stop-loss forcibly extends service by those who wish to leave the military,” said Diane Mazur, professor of law at the University of Florida College of Law and co-author of the new study. “Suspending discharges for homosexuality would do the opposite and allow ongoing service by those who wish to remain in uniform.”

The Obama administration has declined to use the stop-loss policy to cease the discharge of gay service members.

“The president’s determined that that’s not … the way to seek any sort of lasting or durable solution to the public policy problem that we have,” Gibbs said last week, saying legislative action is necessary to end “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.”


http://michiganmessenger.com/19296/conyers-on-obama-why-is-he-becoming-so-conservative-now-that-hes-got-the-job
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 02:43 PM
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1. Hey Gibbs, it's called punting!
Obama wants Congress to do all his dirty work...he doesn't want to actually fight for anything.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 02:45 PM
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3. Interesting characterization...
Obama has spoken out against offshore tax havens... what has Congress done on that so far?

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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 02:46 PM
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5. Let's talk about the stimulus package that Obama said "here," and walked away...
...pretty much did the same thing on the budget. He speaks, yeah, but will he get involved in getting anything done about it...the short history so far is a abig, fat no.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 02:48 PM
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7. Hm...
well I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes... but I do think your original comment was overly simplistic... just IMO.
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:26 PM
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33. and he did the same for the all important Health "reform"
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 03:31 PM
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21. How About This
He's spoken in favor of the bill that would have allowed judges to help modify mortgage payments, but did he actully go to the Hill to jockey for the votes that were needed to get the bill passed by the Senate?

Has he spent much time on the Hill to get the votes that might be needed in the Senate to pass the Credit Card Bill of Rights that he wants on his desk by nexy week?

Is he doing anything besides speaking against offshore tax havens? Has he sent his "Enforcer" Rahm Emanuel to Capitol Hill to make sure that everyone is on board wsith his plan?

The problem as I see it is that perhaps President Obama needs to look behind before looking ahead, to see how it's done! He cannot depend on the Congress to do all of the dirty work, he has to be willing to back the Democrats and share in both the reward and the consequences of decisions that are made.

In other words both the Congress and the White House have to take that leap of faith together! And until they both do all we the people will get is finger pointing.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 03:41 PM
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22. First off, you don't really know what is going on on the hill,
because you are not privy to that information.

second, Barack Obama is just one man, and the executive branch is just one branch of the government.
The man is busy up to his neck, and congress need to step up and do their jobs without having to be begged, bribed, cajoled, enticed and threatened.
But then, of course, we don't really know what goes on behind the scene, although some claim to know everything.
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 04:12 PM
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26. give it a break. You think we would not know if Obama actually went to the HIll
or pushed for these items. ha ha.
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 04:14 PM
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28. He handed the health care bill over to congress and said Write
up the details. see my post below. thanks for your post
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 02:49 PM
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8. Yes, he's been a real slug...
and you sound 'bitter'. Sour grapes? Did he beat your candidate, from either party? :eyes:

President Barack Obama took the oath of office on Jan. 21, 2009, with two broad mandates bestowed upon him by the American people: repair the mess that President Bush and his administration left behind after eight disastrous years in office, and enact a bold, progressive agenda that includes fixing our nation's health care system and seriously addressing global climate change. Obama went to work right away, pushing the "biggest, boldest countercyclical fiscal stimulus in American history" through Congress -- a $787 billion dollar measure that not only creates jobs but also provides investments in energy, transportation, education and health care. Obama also announced his intention to shift focus and resources away from Bush's misbegotten adventure in Iraq and refocus on Afghanistan, where the security situation is worse than it has been since the start of the U.S.-led war there in October 2001. Now, a series of recent public opinion polls shows that the American public not only overwhelmingly approves of the job Obama is doing as president, but they also believe the nation is heading in the right direction -- "the first time in years the nation has held such an optimistic view of its future." For example, a new ABC News/Washington Post poll found that 50 percent of Americans now say the country is on the right track (48 percent say the wrong track), compared with just 13 percent who had the same feeling last October (85 percent said the U.S. was heading in the wrong direction at that time). Indeed, in his first 100 days in office, Obama has received the support of the American public to implement the progressive agenda he campaigned on.

BREAK FROM BUSH: Shortly after taking office, Obama worked quickly to repair the damage done under Bush and has, in total, issued 29 executive decisions reversing Bush administration policy. On his first day as president, Obama signed an executive order mandating the closure of the Guantanamo Bay terror detainee prison camp within one year. The next day, he ordered military leaders to establish a plan for a responsible withdrawal from Iraq,and he signed executive orders ending CIA secret prisons and ending torture by requiring that all interrogations abide by the Army Field Manual. Obama put these first actions as president in simple terms. "We intend to win this fight" against terrorists, he said. But "we are going to win it on our own terms." On the domestic front, Obama reversed Bush's restrictions on federal funding of embryonic stem cell research in March, asserting that his administration would "make scientific decisions based on facts, not ideology." In London at the G20 Summit and in other European capitals earlier this month, Obama reassured America's friends and allies that the United States would reengage the world as an equal partner. "We're starting to see some restoration of America's standing in the world," Obama said in London. " It is "very important for us to be able to forge partnerships as opposed to dictating solutions." As far as "dictating solutions," Obama also ditched Bush's "with us or against us" foreign policy mindset in dealing with America's allies and adversaries. Indicating his sincerity in reaching out to the Muslim world, Obama granted his first television interview as president to Dubai-based Al-Arabiya. "My job to the Muslim world is to communicate that the Americans are not your enemy," Obama said, adding, "We are offering a hand of friendship." Most significantly, Obama also opened the door to direct dialogue with Iran last month, sending the government and its people a "groundbreaking" "special message" on Nowruz, the start of the Persian New Year, in which he said the U.S. is seeking "engagement" with Iran "that is honest and grounded in mutual respect."

A PROGRESSIVE AGENDA: On Jan. 29, Obama signed his first major piece of legislation, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, an equal pay law making it easier for workers -- most of whom are women -- to initiate pay discrimination lawsuits. "We are upholding one of this nation's first principles: that we are all created equal and each deserve a chance to pursue our own version of happiness," Obama said at the bill's signing ceremony. Six days later, Obama signed a bill expanding publicly funded health insurance for children, known as SCHIP, legislation Bush had vetoed twice despite strong bipartisan support in Congress. The bill reduces the number of uninsured children by about half over the next four years and will "boost the number covered by the program to 11 million." "In a decent society, there are certain obligations that are not subject to trade offs or negotiation -- health care for our children is one of those obligations," Obama said. And just last week, the President signed a $5.7 billion national service bill championed by Sens. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) and Orrin Hatch (R-UT) that "triples the size of the AmeriCorps service program over the next eight years and expands ways for students to earn money for college."

THE NEXT 100 DAYS AND BEYOND: Obama and Congress have yet to finalize legislation that would fully accomplish health care reform and solve our climate crisis, but these two major issues remain on the front-burner and have received significant attention in the administration's first 100 days. The economic recovery bill passed earlier this year contained key health care provisions that lead the way toward reform, including $19 billion for health care information technology to implement electronic health records and an agency to "conduct and support research that would assess the benefits of competing treatments," both of which aim to reduce future overall costs. Moreover, Obama's budget creates a "reserve fund" as a down payment to reform the health care system. The stimulus bill also provided a boost to a green economy. In what The New York Times called "the biggest energy bill in history," the Recovery Act provides $91 billion for clean energy investments. In a further indication that addressing climate change is a top priority for the Obama administration, the Environmental Protection Agency confirmed this month that greenhouse gas pollution endangers the health and welfare of the American public. The move finally complies with the Supreme Court's 2007 ruling -- ignored by Bush -- that such emissions should be regulated by the federal government under the Clean Air Act. Obama's budget contains key energy provisions that also aim to limit greenhouse gases and build a clean-energy economy, such as a mandatory cap on carbon emissions which is expected to raise hundreds of billions of dollars over the next ten years that will go toward clean energy development and tax credits for working Americans.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 04:12 PM
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27. What don't you understand about the terms "going to bat" "twisting arms"
and all the other things that need to be done to get legislation passed? Obama doesn't want to get his hands dirty...oh, that's right...koolaid is still flowing freely.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 04:36 PM
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31. And what don't you get about not necessarily having to do that
to get his agenda passed? Stimulus, done. Budget, done. You're too free with the criticism without acknowledging what has been done.

But you've always been like that, so don't worry, I don't expect you to change.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 02:44 PM
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2. Why doesn't Conyers push through legislation instead of suggesting gimmicks we decried under BushCo?
Edited on Mon May-18-09 02:45 PM by ClarkUSA
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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 02:51 PM
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10. legal tricks are good as long as it's your side doing it apparently
now we're pro stop-loss shenanigans. it saves mr conyers from ever having to introduce legislation because it's not like he can do that or anything as a simple congressman.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 03:55 PM
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24. Sure sounds like it.
Edited on Mon May-18-09 03:56 PM by ClarkUSA
Now we know what Conyers is really about. And so does the White House.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 02:45 PM
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4. babsis to Conyers: Why'd you take impeachment off the table?
Edited on Mon May-18-09 02:46 PM by babylonsister
You think you're disappointed? :eyes:
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 02:52 PM
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12. That's right!
I would like to add... hey John, name one thing that you finished to the satisfaction of the public! Every intense investigation ends up a big fat zilch with you. Why is that John?
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 03:02 PM
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16. Exact;y, Can't remember a thing he has pushed since
he joined in taking impeachment off that table.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 02:47 PM
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6. When will Rove and Miers be testifying before your committee Rep. Conyers?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 02:50 PM
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9. This would mean more if Conyers would get off his ass and do his own job. nt
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 02:51 PM
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11. Quite Ironic for Conyers to criticize somebody else for talking but not acting.
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 02:56 PM
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13. It's surprising a Congressman would advocate dismissing
the legislative process and criticizing a president for not acting like a dictator.

Bush used executive orders more than all previous presidents combined in order to bypass the democratic process and impose his will on the country. And when he did I think we all complained.

Now that we have a Democratic president in office, we want him to do what we complained about the Republican president doing!

There's a lot of irony, some might even argue hypocrisy, in this.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 02:58 PM
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14. Go fuck yourself, Mr. Conyers.
I agree on repealing DADT, and that Obama can do more. I also know that you always talk the talk, but never walk the walk.

Impeachment. Rove. Miers. Torture.

You are, Mr Conyers, about as useful as teats on a boar hog.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 04:18 PM
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30. +100
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 04:49 PM
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32. Yep, seconded
Conyers talks a good game, then folds when the heat's on.

He disappointed a lot of people.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 12:43 AM
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39. I want the President to act on these things as well however,
Conyers can shut the fuck up.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 03:00 PM
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15. Conyers should send Obama a sternly worded letter nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 03:07 PM
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17. IMPEACH!
....Oh Wait!
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 03:19 PM
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18. Nothing like a Democrat in the WH to give some Congressional Dems backbone
while crimes where being committed, Conyers kept his gavel in his pocket. Conyers can still redeem himself by calling for serious hearings over Bush admin abuses. There is still time.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 03:21 PM
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19. Yeah, funny how that works.
I wish I knew why the left seemed so hell-bent on marginalizing themselves... not just here but in many countries around the world.

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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 03:24 PM
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20. Conyers: 'Someone's got to kick Rove's ass.' and 'We're closing in on Rove'
Edited on Mon May-18-09 03:26 PM by Thrill
This guy talks a lot of shit. But doesn't do anything.

If he wants something done about DADT. How about getting it brought to the floor for debate and a vote. If you won't, then STFU
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Baltoman991 Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 03:43 PM
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23. Hey Conyers
When did you become a right wing ass kisser and decide it was ok to kiss the ass of Karl Rove and the rest of the criminals?

He's a hypocritical piece of shit in my opinion. He fucking knows Congress has to do something about DADT but as usual, he doesn't want to stand up to the other side.

Oh well, at this rate, we'll have a repeat of the Clinton years. Controll of Congress will be lost and losing the White House won't be far behind.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 04:08 PM
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25. AMERICA WANTS ROVE AND THE GANG OF SEVEN IN PRISON
CAPS USED TO EMPHASIZE MOOD
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 04:17 PM
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29. Thanks Conyers--It is past time Pres Obama stopped kicking this down
the road.
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Baltoman991 Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 06:38 PM
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36. Thanks Conyers?
What the hell has he or anyone else in Congress done about it? Big words, "threats" blah blah blah. That's all he did.

And now he feels he's entitled to lay it at the feet of the President? Conyers is a spineless wimp who backed down from Rove at every turn. Why the hell doesn't he introduce a bill to get rid of DODT?

Or is he just another politician that wants to collect a check and screw the people?
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 12:37 AM
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38. He is spot on related to this issue. I will not kick him under the bus.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:28 PM
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34. Conyers is an enemy of the people. n/t
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:30 PM
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35. CONNERYS IS DAED TO MEE
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 06:49 PM
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37. Conyers is obviously a Freeper (n/t)
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 12:47 AM
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40. I'm not sure the bus's wheels even touch the road anymore.
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