Yes we have a Democrat in office.. He may not be your flavor of Democrat..

[Peacetrain]

I put this in another thread, but I am going to thread it separately.


If you have issues with this administration, then by all means point out what you would rather see.. but for the love of all that is good in this world... we are not the Republicans.

We have not lost our way, we have not lost our soul, and we still are the party of workable ideas.

The Republicans have gotten themselves into a purity state, and are losing everywhere.

We are the Big Tent Party, till we can no longer stand the fact that we have to sit beside, moderates, progressives, socialists, greens, etc..then we will too start demanding party purity and lose the congress, and WH, and the republicans will be free to once again do what they want too, just as they have the last 20 years.

And it will happen, just as surely as that sun sets in the West. But till then..lets try and get some of this mess straightened out.

[firedupdem]

1. I hear you Peacetrain! He's my flavor so far, so I'm not losing

hope.

:fistbump:

[Peacetrain]

2. Starting to lose count of the number of posts

alluding to how we have lost our way, or do not have a "proper" Democrat in office. He is my flavor so far also. I am not throwing in the towel yet firedupdem :fistbump:

[ZombieHorde]

8. My flavor would openly support gay marriage.

By "openly" I mean verbally at the very least. Compared to other Presidents he tastes pretty good though.

[inthebrain]

3. This party has leftist in it

We don't follow people in lock step like the Republicans do.

That's a good thing.

That mentality is what killed this country these last eight years. No one in the Republican base stood up the BA except for when it was convenient for them.

[azmouse]

4. I especially love the 'wrong direction' threads that get posted.

They're useful... for building my ignore list.

Pres Obama is doing a good job so far. He's learning on the job and I expect him to get better as the months and years go by. :)

[NanceGreggs]

5. And that makes five ...

... now off to the GP with ya.

[goclark]

24. How many times can I K and R

We can all agree to have issues that we would love for our President to embrace and as of now, he has not publicly done so.

There is no way that he can be our personal Howdy Doody.
He can't say and do everything I want him to do.

If he gave me all my " dear to my heart" issues in less than 200 days in office, he would be a magician and that he is not.

I would love for him to STOP THE WAR, Now!
There is no way that I could possibly think that he would not want to stop the War, no way.

That would make most Democrats happy.

So do I threaten to vote for Dennis K. the next time?
Hell no! As much as I love Dennis, let's get a mental picture of how much support Dennis would have with this Congress and with these Republicans and with people all over the globe.

And, if we can't get a mental picture of that -- try a mental picture of John McCain and Sarah Palin. :puke:

[ClarkUSA]

6. Well-said. This liberal Green agrees with you.

[NJmaverick]

7. You are correct Peace Train

:kick:

[nichomachus]

9. I am not demanding purity

I am demanding justice. However, there are those who accuse me of demanding "ideological purity." And I say that's bullshit.

An appeal for justice is not some whiny rant.

[msongs]

12. next thing, you'll be wanting policies honoring seperartion of church n state bt

[Political Tiger]

10. This Democrat is very happy with THAT ONE

[ZombieHorde]

15. That is really funny. nt

[Nitrogenica]

11. Completely 100% satisfied with my vote for Obama.

We can disagree without being disagreeable.

[cascadiance]

13. The only "persons" I don't want the "big tent" to accept are "corporate persons"...

That has been our cancer for the last few decades, and as long as they are given unequal representation over *real* people in our party (whether they are right, center, or left), we still have a problem...

Though I want to see more progressive things happen and am willing to accept some conservatives and middle of the road people being worked with, I don't tolerate those people using money and other power authorities other than just equal representation as real people in controlling where our party is going.

If Obama can get rid of the "corporate persons", he'll have me on board then!

[JamesA1102]

14. Well said K&R nt

[chieftain]

16. We have a Great Democrat in office.

President Obama is making progress on a left-center agenda in spite of untold inherited time bombs, an opposition that puts party ahead of country, a clueless media recovering from its complicity with the worst regime in US history by focusing on form rather than substance, a Senate leadership willing to allow the opposition to sidetrack legislation by threatening the anti-democratic tactic of filibuster and quisling party hacks who are more than anxious to sell out their leader.
Politics is the art of the possible. Given the obstacles enumerated above and others not mentioned, I give Obama high marks.

[omega minimo]

17. If "we can no longer stand the fact that we have to sit beside, moderates, progressives, socialists"

that's not RLite, that's the Republicans.

[Clio the Leo]

18. Isn't it amusing that we dance at what we perceive to be the funeral of the GOP....

... yet are often unwilling to welcome in the mourners? ;)

[Wednesdays]

19. "I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat."

--Will Rogers

K&R

[QC]

20. Zell Miller is a Democrat. n/t

[Jennicut]

23. Not my kind. Obama is no Zell Miller just like certain Repubs are not like Bush.

Though I would say there is not many moderate Repubs left.

[Gman]

21. I remain astounded at how I find myself defending Obama

from the very DU members that I fought with in the primaries when I supported Hillary and they supported Obama. I pretty much now understand that these people just don't know what the hell they want or who.

The fact of the matter is that there are good Democrats here, and there are those here who slide by on DU on the technicality that DU allows other like-minded folks. THey love to invoke that.

Personally, I think DU needs to return to being DU. THere are people here who don't even know what the "Democratic" in DU originally means and why.

[lunatica]

22. As far as I"m concerned you're preaching to the choir

It is our right to be disappointed in his decisions isn't it? Don't ask don't tell? How about holding war criminals accountable?

Just saying...

[JAbuchan08]

25. The Dems have a "big tent" approach when it comes to feel-good electoral marketing

and a very small tent when it comes to policy making and internal debate.

People aren't upset with the Democrats because they are "too inclusive" they are upset because they are not inclusive enough.

Including certain people and interest group naturally excludes others. Right now Democrats are allowing entrenched interests define the boundaries of "acceptable change," and are therefore alienating the people whom they had previously told that they would work for. That's not inclusion that's EXCLUSION.

Time and time again the ideas of progressives are excluded in favor of making Republicans and squishies more comfortable. I know that there are some that just want us all to "work together," but rather than going to the conservatives why not make them come to US?

[depakid]

26. "we are not the Republicans."

and on issue after issue, that's about the only thing Democrats have going for them.

In the end- it won't be enough to carry the day or fix the nations problems, especially when we still have people whining about "purity" rather than solving problems responsibly. Which at this point, thanks to the DINO's and other who seem to belive that "D" behind their name allows them to emrace corrupt and ineffective public policy- or right wing ideologt with impunity.

Fact is America's a nation in decline- and its "leadership" lacks the political will and fortitude to respond. In the coming years, repeated failures can and WILL be laid at the feet of Democrats- where it will belong.

As time goes on, it matters less "who broke things" -or who was complicit (or actively involved) in their getting broken. What will matter though is perceptions of who's unable (or unwilling) to do what it takes to fix things.