Is it me or is this "She's dumb" just coded racist bullshit?

[Drunken Irishman]

Playing up to the crap stereotype about Hispanics?

I am so fucking tired of this bullshit.

Comparing her to Harriet Miers is a joke and anyone who does so should be banned from ever forming an opinion again.

:eyes:

On edit: As said below, also very sexist.

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[JayMusgrove]

1. Pat Buchanan did JUST THAT! Compared her to Miers.

He's an idiot, and it shows.

[TeamJordan23]

18. rofl. nm

[Rosa Luxemburg]

28. Pat should be put out to graze with Cheney

they both need to be retired for good!

[Captain Hilts]

56. Pat is on because he'll go on TV in exchange for a coupon for a McDonald's Happy Meal.

He's an inexpensive way to fill airtime.

[Cha]

26. Does the drooling idiot,

buchanan want to compare their records side by side?

MSNBC
- Phone: [phone] EMAIL: [e-mail]

[Honeycombe8]

77. I actually like him personally (I've seen him for years on TV)...

and he actually has the hutzpah to disagree with the GOP, when no one else will. For instance, HE WAS AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR AND BOLDLY SAID SO OVER AND OVER, in the middle of all the flag waving from the right.

But he is most definitely racist and sexist. I think it's partly his age. Those old coots don't understand the world has changed. They can't even see their own racism or sexism, it's so ingrained in them. Doesn't make it okay. I just know what to expect from him.

[Merlot]

2. Not racist. Sexist.

[Thrill]

8. More racist. Pat just said she was a AA pick

.

[NYC_SKP]

14. AA applies equally to race and sex, so he's just a racist sexist.

or a sexist racist.

Idiot and hateful man, either way.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. Then explain the Thurgood Marshall bashing.

[Renew Deal]

38. Wasn't Turley the only one to do that?

Someone explain Turley. ;)

[Number23]

54. Wait... WHAT Thurgood Marshall bashing??

Did somebody bash Thurgood Marshall?? Tell me now please.

[struggle4progress]

68. Simple: A number of Republicans are still angry about Brown v. Board

After Nixon began pulling Dixiecrats into the Republican party, the GOP committed itself to organizing what had previously been regarded as the lunatic fringe. Reagan reached further into Whackadoodle country by beginning his 1980 campaign in Philadelphia Mississippi. The 20% of Americans today who support the Republicans are a bizarre mix of borderline crazies: the Ayn Rand followers (like Greenspan), the monarchists (like Cheney), the sadomasochists (like Yoo), the racists (like Buchanan), and so on

[Renew Deal]

36. I agree.

It's more sexist than anything else.

[Captain Hilts]

59. Right. The Right was okay with Alberto Gonzales. Sexism. nt

[mkultra]

81. yup. Both but really mostly sexist.

[geek tragedy]

3. you oversimplify

It's also coded sexist bullshit.

[Drunken Irishman]

7. Ok, add that bullshit to the list.

[Uzybone]

4. Not just you, and when you also say Thurgood Marshall was lacking depth

then the mask has completely slipped.

[gkhouston]

19. I guess he wasn't a deep enough shade of white.

:puke:

[Fire1]

27. It is my understanding Turley said, "lacked the INTELLIGENCE"

in reference to SCJ Thurgood Marshall.

[Number23]

57. NO. HE. DIDN'T.

Are you telling me that someone said that Thurgood Marshall "lacked intelligence?"

Is this what you are saying?? And he did this as a way to criticize Sotomayor?? Why? Because they both have brown skin and funny (read: ethnic) names??

Turley just FUCKED UP. Nobody talks shit about Thurgood Marshall. If it was not for Judge Marshall, many of the civil rights that black folks fought and DIED for would never have happened.

[vaberella]

64. Yeah he did. And if I'm clear he said it about both TM and SS.

It was a direct effort to completely discredit her work and Thurgood Marshall's contribution to history. The man said this on the Tweety's show live. The man is a sick asshole who hates Dems and really needs to take his leave.

[Number23]

66. Child, that man has just pissed on every American who participated in the civil rights

movement or who believes in civil rights.

Thurgood Marshall's work cannot be OVERstated. He picked up where Malcolm, Martin etc. left off. They busted their ass to change the laws on the local level; Thurgood busted his ass from the inside to change the laws federally. And he did it at a time when every black person was still openly viewed as an ENEMY to this country. Can you imagine what that man had to go through every day???

To shit on this for the sole purpose of trying to put down Sonia Sotomayor is SHAMEFUL. Disgusting. Turley just pissed me the fuck off. I don't EVER want to read about his dumb, narrow-minded @ss again.

Sorry, I know I don't normally speak this way but this idiot just crossed a line.

[Empowerer]

71. Thurgood did not pick up where Malcolm, Martin, etc. left off. He laid the groundwork for THEM!

Thurgood Marshall came along long before they did and the strategy and work that he did opened the doors for them, not the other way around. For example, many people don't know that the primary reason that the Montgomery Bus Boycott ended successfully was that the NAACP was able to convince the Supreme Court that the segregated bus system was in direct violation of the Court's order in Brown v. Board of Education, for which Thurgood Marshall - the NAACP General Counsel - was largely responsible.

Malcolm and Martin were able to do what they did because Thurgood Marshall and his law school dean and mentor, Charles Hamilton Houston, and his cadre of brilliant lawyers he brought in from around the country created the legal framework for them.

Throughout the 40s and 50s, when local blacks found themselves confronted with serious legal problems and discrimination, they reached out to the NAACP and Thurgood Marshall for help. And one of the most heartening pieces of news that passed by word of mouth throughout black communities was, "Thurgood's coming."

Thurgood Marshall saved this country from a second Civil War, and very few people give him credit for it.

[Number23]

75. Your point is well made, Empower

To speak literally, I was saying that Thurgood worked from the inside after his appointment to the Supreme Court while Malcolm and Martin pounded the pavement and coordinated grass roots efforts concurrently.

But your point is well made in that Thurgood was there and fighting the good fight well before his SC appointment. Perhaps it would be more accurate for me to say that because of EACH of them, we have the rights that we have now and they beautifully complemented each other.

[Fire1]

65. I wish I could some how link to msnbc when he said it this a.m.

shortly after the announcement and Sotomayer's acceptance. I was in the lounge on my prep period when I heard this remark from Mr. Turley. I remember specifically, b/c another teacher heard it and we looked at each other when he said it. Tweety was hosting this segment and appeared dumb founded at his comment. He said something to the effect that other than becoming the first AA to sit on the U.S.Supreme Court, he didn't bring much 'constitutional intelligence.'

[Number23]

67. Of course not.

To people like Turley, Thurgood Marshall was just another "dumb n*gger" who got to where he was because of white liberal guilt and surely not because of his own abilities. He was just in the right place at the right time.

Turley just fucked up. I hope his foolish ass realizes it.

[Thrill]

5. Of course it is. She didn't earn those degrees. They just gave them to her

:)

[backscatter712]

6. Yeah, it's your basic dogwhistle.

They can't get away with calling her "spic" or "wetback", so they call her dumb and try to subtly allude to anti-Latino stereotypes.

And this is after she rose from the Bronx housing projects graduated summa cum laude from Yale and edited the Yale Law Review, and spent her entire career blowing away expectations.

[woolldog]

72. correction: she graduated summa cum laude from Princeton. (nt)

[backscatter712]

74. I stand corrected. n/t

[uponit7771]

9. ...well NOT just her it was Marshall also. I agree, Scalia is a total ass and he gets compliments

[MarjorieG]

22. Scalia writes well, charming in person, but tell me Bush V Gore wasn't activist and political.

[lapfog_1]

10. Nobody, and I mean nobody

graduates summa cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa from Princeton, without having an exceptionally fine intellect.

[asphalt.jungle]

11. of course it is

She was awarded some trophy for being the top student in the senior class at Princeton, but obviously that's a piece of shit school that anyone can get into, so it means nothing. And Yale accepts just about anyone as long as you're black or brown. At least that's what I'm lead to believe by all these intellectual heavyweights on the right with degrees from vastly superior universities like Liberty and Oral Roberts (and in some cases just a high school diploma).

[BolivarianHero]

35. Since when is education anything?

Many of the leaders I admire most have high school or less as their education. None of these people are right-wing, however.

[firedupdem]

44. Care to name some of the leaders you admire most? n/t

[Number23]

60. That's the same crap they tried to do to BOTH Obamas

But especially Michelle -- that they were both affirmative action acceptees with no intellect or abilities. People to this day, including a few DU'ers, still deny the intelligence of the Obamas and refer to Barack as an "empty suit" who only rose to power by giving "fine speeches" and not because this man is smart, driven and accomplished.

This shit pisses me off more than just about anything. Black folks are damned if we do and damned if we don't. If we drink 40s all day and don't work, we're "living up to the stereotype." But when we work our asses off and succeed, we're the "affirmative action appointees" and are only successful because of "white liberal guilt" as if the only way to success in this country for non-whites is through white folks. Burns me the FUCK up.

[asphalt.jungle]

69. moving the goalposts

they like doing that.

[AspenRose]

86. Yep

:thumbsup:

[fugop]

83. Give Liberty a break

Took some real intellectual heavyweights to come up with that decision to toss the Young Democrats out of that fine, fine school. No Democrats allowed. Well, they're allowed to call themselves Democrats... as long as they don't vote for Democrats. Princeton and Yale, however, are all affirmative action all the time, so I'm sure Democrats are allowed.

Sigh.

[Name removed]

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[riderinthestorm]

13. Throw in Sen. Kyl's rejection of anyone deemed too "empathetic"

and you have all the old "code" sexist words right up front. Fucking old bastard. I can't believe this is 2009 and the old sexist stuff from my (very old) feminism days is back. Add in the racist bullshit and the Rethugs are gearing up to throw-back to the 50s.

[kestrel91316]

15. Racist AND sexist.

[TomClash]

16. Both racist and sexist

It's not just you.

Turley was the worst.

[SamCooke]

20. She doesn't talk like a great intellectual. And intellectuals don't seem to be impressed by her.

Her academic record appears to be great, but she doesn't explain things well. I've seen a few of her interviews and she just doesn't stand out in any way.

[Captain Hilts]

24. That's possible. It's the writing that counts, though. nt

[Drunken Irishman]

25. Has Justice Thomas opened his mouth once over the past few years?

[Captain Hilts]

55. No, he hasn't. That's my point. Talkin' isn't everything if you can write, and he can't do that

either.

[SamCooke]

58. He's a moron, we all know this.

[CreekDog]

91. What does her job have to do with giving interviews?

Joe Montana wasn't very impressive in interviews either. Would you say that he didn't stand out in any way based on what you saw *in an interview*???

I can't believe the crap I read sometimes. :crazy: :wtf:

[quickesst]

21. Although there are many people here....

...with the uncanny ability to find a racist anywhere, including an empty box, I'd say in this case, and with Buchannan, it's not just you. He's never been shy about it. Thanks.
quickesst

[EquallyExhausted]

23. no it's not just you

anyone but a white male is deemed an inherently unqualified token, and minorities are always dumb and lazy.

[Lilyeye]

40. That is pretty much what it comes down to.

[Lilyeye]

41. That is pretty much what it comes down to.

[masuki bance]

29. Kind of like "Drunken Irishman" is.

Sorry, could not help myself.

[Drunken Irishman]

34. I also get angry...

:mad:

:P

[rufus dog]

37. "Drunken Irishman" isn't racist bullshit

It is redundant.

[EFerrari]

30. Everyone knows Phi Beta Kappa just hands out keys to Latinas.

lol

[vaberella]

31. No mention of Jon Turley pushing the meme of her being dumb all over the airwaves.

He's just become the worst kind of failure, although to me he always has been.

[rufus dog]

32. One of the talking heads on Tweety made a similar observation

The message to Hispanics is "Academic and work achievement is not relevant, if you are brown skinned and achieve it is due to reverse racism." (paraphrasing)

Not a good message to help the pukes in AZ, Texas, Florida, Colorado, New Mexico, California, .......

Let's see if the pukes are as dumb as I think they are.

[vaberella]

62. It was Turley and from what I got...he really pushed it b/c even Rush Limbaugh replayed it.

The man really started something.

[BolivarianHero]

33. Yep...

So dumb that your party's President made him a judge, Pat. Buchanan can't tolerate women unless they're either licking this pinhead dick or licking his disgusting floor clean.

[rufus dog]

39. And remember this is from the same group of people who said Sarah P

was qualified to be VP. I really can't get angry because it is so damn lame. It is laughable and any dittohead who repeats the point should be mocked.

[boston bean]

42. I think thinking it's only racist is in itself sexist. nt

[bklyncowgirl]

43. Good work morans. Kiss the Hispanic vote goodbye.

Like forever chumps. You've already lost the women pretty much forever so I won't even go there.

[rvablue]

49. Yep. The Dems have the votes to confirm her and if the past tells us anything

Snowe and Collins are bound to jump over on the vote.

Hope they have a good time hanging on to those Senate seats in Florida and Arizona if they keep this up!

[SemiCharmedQuark]

45. Coded?

[Karenina]

48. Indeed!

:eyes:

[Drunken Irishman]

63. Good point.

[Hellataz]

46. No it's not coded, it's an OPEN insult to her intelligence

Going on and on about how she plans to show favoritism to minorities and fulfill quotas, now that is Racist.

Either way the Right is going to look bad going after a top of her class Princeton grad for her "smarts" and going after a latina women for assuming she will go easy on the hispanic communities cases. They will come out looking like the racists they are and drive a wedge further between them and hispanic voters.

[old mark]

47. Not one fucking "coded" thing about it - the GOP is nothing but

racist, sexist old men who have no place in America.
They are not even decent human beings - they all suck.

mark

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

50. I want to see their transcripts...

Any trailer-park trash Republican using the "she's not smart enough" talking point should be REQUIRED to present his/her transcripts. Anyone who graduated less than summa cun laude from an Ivy League university should be water-boarded.

[Jennicut]

51. Yeah, she is so dumb she graduated with high honors from Princeton. Real dumb.

Totally racist/sexist.

[ljm2002]

84. Correction: she graduated with *highest* honors from Princeton...

...but you are of course 100% correct on the racist/sexist part.

[BlooInBloo]

52. And everybody knows it.

[damntexdem]

53. Hmm, THE top student at Princeton, then Harvard law.

Yeah, there might just be something out of line about such a comment.

[LittleBlue]

61. Calling her dumb or comparing her to Miers is fucking stupid

I'd like to see them do what Sotomayor did at Princeton; most could not.

[cagesoulman]

70. Sexist, racist, and utter bullshit considering the nominee went to Princeton and Harvard.

If I were Princeton and Harvard, I'd file a lawsuit against Buchanan et al for defamation of my school's character.

[DatManFromNawlins]

73. I don't really see it as such

These clerks serving for the justices are no slouches either. They have every right to state their opinions, and their opinions are vastly more substantial than anyone who claims otherwise without having worked with her or having read her opinions.

Do I agree with them? How can I? I don't know much about her other than the more important cases she's had a say in and what I read about her.

I'm sure that quite a few lawyers from the ABA and other organizations have given her a sterling thumbs up. In the end, her qualification to be on the court versus the other people Obama could have picked will depend on the rigor and thought she used to apply constitutional standards to cases.

Also, I find it amusing that so many people here think that graduating with honors from an Ivy League school makes one "brilliant." I know quite a few Ivy Leaguers myself, including those who graduated with honors, and while some are quite sharp, I wouldn't call any of them brilliant. I know a few people who glorified from schools that are really not much more than glorified JuCos who have proven to be much closer to that level.

I have a feeling that were this a conservative justice appointed by a Republican president with otherwise identical credentials, that many here would be picking every nit they could find. Regardless, picking nits is exactly what people SHOULD be doing with any Supreme Court candidate.

[Honeycombe8]

76. It's not racist. It's sexist. I'm already tired of hearing it and getting damn mad about it. nt

[Karenina]

78. It's BOTH, Honeycombe8

During my life discerning the has been a survival skill. Those dogwhistles are much like some jewelry store security systems. Most people can't hear them but my ears demand cover and exit... ;-)

[tledford]

79. Since when is Hispanic a "race?"

According to the US Census, at least in 2000, Hispanics are "whites."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States_Census#Ethnicity

And in 2010, it will be made even clearer that "Hispanic" is not a "race." From the same article:

"The 2010 US Census will have changes designed to more clearly distinguish the Hispanic ethnicity as not being a race. That may include adding the sentence: 'For this census, Hispanic origins are not races.'"

I think it is mostly fear of anyone who isn't *lily* white that drives the terrified white male conservatives. They *know* that they'll be in the minority soon, and it scares the s**t out of them, because they fear that they will be treated just as badly as they've treated minorities.

note: Edited for punctuation

[AspenRose]

87. This point is pretty much it in a nutshell

"I think it is mostly fear of anyone who isn't *lily* white that drives the terrified white male conservatives. They *know* that they'll be in the minority soon, and it scares the s**t out of them, because they fear that they will be treated just as badly as they've treated minorities."

This is also why the GOP loves divide and conquer strategies so much....especially when it keeps two traditionally democratic voting groups fighting amongst themselves.

[JNelson6563]

80. Yeah, I was thinking more along "sexist" lines

You know, as in "dumb broad".

Julie

[ljm2002]

82. It's not just you...

...my response to it may differ from yours, however. I have found that I laugh out loud at these buffoons when they try to float that nonsense.

Summa cum laude at Princeton is no small feat. Editor of the law journal at Yale is an accomplishment too. Anyone who would look at that academic record and try to pin the "not too bright" label on her is a moron and simply exposes themselves as such by doing so.

[DeschutesRiver]

85. What I heard Turley say

was that none of her decisions were "profound". Said she was very smart, and that once on the court, she might hit her stride and turn out profound decisions in time as some of them have (although Alito was also very smart and yet still writes just average opinions, ie never found his voice). He also said that he'd now read a number of her decisions, and other than maybe two of them, that none showed her to be over the line as an activist judge. What I heard Turley say seems to be different than what others are reporting - maybe he has modified his stance or softened it a bit? What I read that he said pissed me off; but I can't find him saying it now (but give it time, I don't watch a lot of the news in the summer). I heard her activist judge comment, and her Latina women make better decisions than white men comment, both in their entirety and in context, and I didn't find them as disturbing as some do (of course, the versions put out there were conveniently either cut off mid sentence or without full context, on purpose I assume).

Fellow lawyers described her as frighteningly smart, but overly aggressive on the bench to lawyers appearing before her. I mentioned that to dh, wondering if they'd say that about a guy. He said when he was clerking for fed judge X here in Oregon, there was another fed judge who was viewed as one of the smartest guys out there, but they also called him overly aggressive, mean, and an asshole to lawyers appearing before him, etc. Dh's take on that judge was that that judge didn't tolerate stupid or sloppy lawyers, let them know his standards and then called them on it if they blew him (which didn't happen often). Figures Sotomayor is very smart, holds to her own high standards in her courtroom, and some lawyers can't take the pressure, too bad for them. He didn't think it was a bad sign at all:)

Other than Turley, every other negative comment I've heard I can almost with certainty ascribe to either sexism or racism, just mho. I'd heard of her background, her education, her achievements, her standing, her decisions - if I hadn't already checked her out, I'd never recognize her achievements from the descriptions I've heard - affirmative action, stupid, woman, "hey, hispanic chick...." (some dumb ass Glenn Beck comment suggesting that they picked her solely because she was a hispanic woman with no qualifications otherwise), "Maria" Sontamayor instead of Sonia, by Huckabee (yeah, all latinos are Maria) and so on.

Some of these comments are just so far from the truth that they must be coming from a place of hatred of a certain race or sex. I'd like to read more of her decisions for myself - smart is a good start, but not the be all end all. But no doubt she is qualified by virtue of her achievement and intellect to be on the list of candidates; other than that, I haven't yet formed my opinion as to whether she is the best out there for it (but I'd be fine with it if she were confirmed, even if I personally found someone else to be preferable).

[LostinVA]

88. Way more sexist than racist

[LeftishBrit]

89. Probably. Or sexist. Or most likely both.

[RoadRage]

90. I love the "They're stupid Ivy League graduates with honors"

and have been promoted multiple times, etc... :eyes:

Bush was an Idiot. He went to Harvard because Papy got his ass in, and even then his grades barely got him a diploma (and who wrote those papers for him anyway??).

Let the GOP continue to flail about.. it's entertaining.

[tigereye]

92. yeah people who head the Yale Law Review are typically dumb

:eyes: