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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 06:45 AM
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Our current corporate structure is the most corrupt in the world
Edited on Sat May-30-09 06:48 AM by AllentownJake
I figured this out when I was in my first year in corporate America, hired into one of those 10/80/10 programs.

Here is how Corporate America works for 99% of the Fortune 500 firms.

The Board of Directors is composed of CEO's from other companies, other high ranking E-suite executives former politicians, and Military leaders. They get at least $100,000 a year for showing up at 4 meetings a year, listening to some speeches and rubber stamping the current E-suites agenda. This group is primarily elected by mutual fund companies and banks. If you own a mutual fund, you agree that the mutual fund company gets to vote your portion of the shares of any equity investments.

Next in line you have the E-suite. The CEO and all his officers. This group is rewarded with stock options as an incentive to keep the stock price high, regardless if it has a negative impact on future growth. They engage in a lot of insider trading disguised as just "diversifying" their assets. If you want to know if a company is going to have a bad year, keep an eye on how the E-suite guys are slowly selling their stocks. They can't make big moves because that will result in the SEC smacking their hand for making their fraud to obvious (its not about committing fraud, its about doing anything that might upset the unwashed masses) They get paid the most but work the least. I'm not talking manual labor, they literally work the least. Golf outings with other business leaders, sporting events, dinners, etc. Are all considered "work". Oh yes and since the Board is composed of other people like them. If they fuck up, the board lets them leave with a very large compensation package. Why do they do this, well if someone on that Board fucks up they want one to.

After that you have the lower level executives. They do whatever they can to get into the higher tier. They will do unethical and illegal things to ingratiate themselves to their E-Suite masters. Generally speaking, if something goes wrong these are the guys that get thrown under the bus. Its ok though, as long as that something going wrong doesn't make the front page of the Wall Street Journal, they are quietly given a nice severance package to keep their mouth shut and they appear in another corporate entity a year later.

After that you have the managers. These guys are expected to keep the unwashed masses in the lower level in-line, and also work the most hours of the in charge crowd. They desire to be the lower level executives but aren't trusted yet to do the official corporate dirty work. They will protect their own asses at any cost and will do unethical things, however they aren't trusted yet to do the unethical things the E-suite demands. They get smaller severance packages but nice ones none the less and if they screw up can find themselves back with the unwashed masses. Their severance package is also based on keeping their mouths shut.

Lastly you have the unwashed masses. The group that does the work. They spend most of their days terrified they'll lose their job. If they get laid off, they are expected to get maybe a weeks pay for every year of service, no continuation of healthcare coverage, and a pension they may never collect on.

Oh yes and one last thing, their is more fraud, abuse, and evil things coming out of Corporate America than any other place in the world. However, unless the scandal is one like Enron or Madoff and the media is forced to cover it, it is never reported. Simple reason, the media has become one of the Corporations and the other Corporations are customers. Reporting on their fraud would be bad for business.

Also our President has no plans to disrupt it, in anyway, that has become clear in the first 3 months. Its not that I don't think he wants to, however, Corporate America now has more power than the government.



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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 07:46 AM
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1. Well ..you might just have this corporate power group figured out..
But I don't believe President Obama realized just how powerful corporate America has become..especially with all the give-a-ways from the Previous Admin. over the last 8 years.
This corporate power group will never allow a One Payer Health care system because that would mean taking down a major part of this power group and that just ain't gonna happen...

Note: interesting post but what happen with your position in this corporate world? You just didn't like the corporate game or what?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 07:53 AM
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2. I went to a non-fortune 500 firm
Edited on Sat May-30-09 07:57 AM by AllentownJake
Its still for profit, however, they have higher ethical guidelines.

Care for the Poor is one of their values.

The biggest problem with these executives is they have no fucking clue what is going on in the real world. Some of them aren't bad people but the system is one that is set up to keep them in an Ivory Tower. Others are wrapped up in some sort of Randian fantasy that they are the ones that make the world progress while the rest of the world is a bunch of lazy moochers (ironic thing is they are the lazy moochers). Others are just evil hateful people. As part of the program, I was let inside, I got to see behind the veil. I left not wanting to become one of these people. One thing they all have in common at the top is they are absolutely miserable. Their kids are generally uncontrollable, they are either on their 3rd to 4th marriage or made an arrangement with their spouses they could do what they want in exchange for the lifestyle they give their spouses. They really don't take that much joy in their possessions and are constantly wanting something bigger and better whether its a cell phone, house, or car. Oh yes, and they are in a constant pissing contest with each other.

All I have to say is that they have a choice, they will get change like it happened in Europe, or they will get change like it happened in Cuba.

Keep an eye on California, when the social saftey net is cut, we shall see what happens.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 06:45 PM
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20. Sounds like the movie, 'Dick and Jane.' eom.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 06:41 PM
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19. Nail on the head. Especially the first sentence. n/t
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 08:01 AM
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3. Yep, and the LIbertarians have yet to figure out that corporate business people are
Edited on Sat May-30-09 08:14 AM by izzybeans
the same inept faceless bureaucrats that they fear in the government. The difference is, the faceless corporatcrat has direct control over their lives. And talk about incompetence...they act like a couple years in b-school gives them insight into the world, rather than empty slogans and a tan. Not only do we have a corrupt corporate world, we have one of the most ideologically divorced business communities in the world. It's stunning actually.

Our colleges have become incubators for it.

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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 08:18 AM
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5. Libertarians have bought into this idiotic idea they have a choice
They think because there is a different logo on a bank, gas station, grocery store etc that they have a choice. They don't realize that the corprocrats study each other and adopt each other's tactics. All your doing is buying the same thing with a different logo. There is really no choice.

They've also foolishly fail to understand that the past 30 years has been bad for them.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 08:16 AM
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4. One would think that if Holder or any of the regulatory agencies had any intent
to hold people accountable and return to the rule of law we'd have seen some indication of it by now.

Hate to say it, but what we've seen at the Justice Department thus far is the same as Bush, only without the political persecutions.

Which pretty much makes it even worse than Poppy. At least they went after fraudsters in the Savings & Loan debacle.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 08:25 AM
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6. They only go after the fraudsters when they have no choice
There is more fraud and law breaking going on in Corporate America than there is going on in your worst neighborhoods in this country.

The only reason they went after the S&L people is they got too greedy and people became aware of the fraud.

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 08:37 AM
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8. Oh, I think people are plenty angry and fully aware of the thousands upon thousands of frauds
Edited on Sat May-30-09 08:38 AM by depakid
And believe me, the Justice Department has pleanty of federal statutes that they can use to charge these criminals.

Having lived throught the S&L crisis, I can tell you, this is infinitely worse- and the so called Justice Department has thus far proven to be a hollow shell of what it was under Bush I.

I doubt this would even have been tolerated by Reagan for that matter, given the enormity of the consequences. And that's saying something.

How sad would it be if part of Obama's legacy was that he let Wall Street criminals who crashed the economy and War criminals and torturers who destroyed America's reputation abroad walk away completely unscathed?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 08:50 AM
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9. Geithner and Summers
Edited on Sat May-30-09 08:51 AM by AllentownJake
Geithner is in charge of the SEC. The Justice Department prosecutes but Geithner is the one who has the power.

Geithner is of the belief he needs the guys who create the problem to undo the problem. Geithner is also one of the guys who caused the problem so it makes sense he'd believe that.

Obama is of the belief that if he prosecutes the war criminals there will be political back lash. Whether there is or not is debatable. The thing to remember about the President, he's a decent man, but he's a politician first and foremost. President Obama is Bill Clinton with some personal discipline.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 02:20 PM
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14. Mary Shapiro is in charge of the SEC
Another FAILED regulator from FINRA on whose watch this all occured- and whi did virtually nothing in the face of all the red flags.

Same with Gaithner and Summers- two more people who repeatedly got it wrong and did nothing despite the red flags.

Yep, I agree though, Obama is a politician in Clinton's mold. Knew that going in.

And down the line it'
Not holding my breath, though.

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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 08:25 AM
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7. As I read your discription I could not help but use the movie
Fun With Dick and Jane to compare your discription. It sure does come close to all the horror you discribe.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 06:54 PM
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21. I said the same thing up thread! lol! n/t
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 09:25 AM
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10. Welcome to US of A, Inc.
The lame$tream media is pwn3d by corporations - about 7 very large ones - almost all the television, newspapers, magazines and radio shows are owned by corporate media. (NewsCorp, Disney, GE, ....)

We ceased having a democracy years ago. It is now a corporatocracy.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:01 AM
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11. Yep its 1984
However Capitalism ushered in the system!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:22 AM
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12. Well unfortunately your not very well informed about the rest of the world

Virtually every other country - except for some European (especially scandinavian countries) have more corporate coruption than the US;


Japan is in a class really by itself. Not only is the Executive branch bought and sold but every member of Parliment needs to raise $ 1 million a year for 'gifts'. MPs are expected to send presents for every wedding and flowers for every funeral in their district. No on challenges the real corporate pay back scheme and policy is written out in the corporations and delivered to the government.

China and Russia people in the government have simply robbed the assets of the people.

Thailand, Malaysia, etc all known oligarchies, strictly pay to play, just a question of how greedy they get. The Thaksin changed a law that allowed him to sell a company for a profit of $ 2 billion, by these standards US corruption is bush league (no pun, well hell of course it was intended.)


And so on and on.


The country that may be the least corrupt? Singapore might qualify. They pay their PM serious money (over $ 2 million) thereby the only country in the world that has the brains to put their country's chief executive beyond temptation. Although since they don't have any real opposition and don't have a free press, you only have to guess that they are clean, but even amongst the people that don't like the Lee family, rumors of corruption have never existed.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:36 AM
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13. exactly
For example, look at Nigeria. Or China. Russia - ha!

I guess our friend doesn't get out much.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 04:35 PM
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15. Look what our corporations do once they get outside our borders
The FCPA is non-existent anymore.
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andym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 05:04 PM
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18. This is quite true
American corporations are less subject now to the kinds of corruption and "corporatism" that is found worldwide.

A recent example is the recent suicide of former Korean President Roh Moo-hyun. He was a major anti-corruption reform Korean politician (and human rights lawyer) who committed suicide after learning he was to be indicted on corruption charges relating to bribery from big business.

US corporations are fairly tame compared to those found around the world, in for example China and Russia. Why do you think China executed Zheng Xiaoyu, the head of their FDA? Because he was guarding the public from corporate malfeasance? No, because he took bribes allowing corporations to poison people.

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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 07:00 PM
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22. +1
Its typical Americentric thinking. American corporate corruption is childs play compared to what goes on in Asia and Africa (by non US companies).
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 05:01 PM
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16. corporations are the tumors; capitalism is the cancer.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 05:02 PM
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17. You forget about China
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:18 AM
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23. China appears to be modeling the U.S.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:52 AM
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24. K&R.
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