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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-04-09 04:40 PM
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Obama's Astonishing Message on Palestine
My First Take On The Speech
Marc Lynch



President Obama's speech today in Cairo met the bar he set for himself. In an address modeled after the Philadelphia speech on race, he forewent soaring oratory in favor of a thoughtful, nuanced and challenging reflection on America's relations with the Muslims around the world (not "the Muslim world", which for some reason became a major issue in American punditry over the last few days). As he frankly recognized, no one speech can overcome the many problems he addressed. But this speech is an essential starting point in a genuine conversation, a respectful dialogue on core issues. After the initial rush of instant commentaries and attempts to inflame controversy pass, it should become the foundation for a serious, ongoing conversation which could, as the President put it, "remake this world."

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Israelis and Palestinians. I'm still struggling to grapple with this truly astonishing portion of his speech. I don't think I have ever heard any American politician, much less President, so eloquently, empathetically, and directly equate the suffering and aspirations of Israelis and Palestinians. This is the one part which I have to quote:

Around the world, the Jewish people were persecuted for centuries, and anti-Semitism in Europe culminated in an unprecedented Holocaust. Tomorrow, I will visit Buchenwald, which was part of a network of camps where Jews were enslaved, tortured, shot and gassed to death by the Third Reich. Six million Jews were killed - more than the entire Jewish population of Israel today. Denying that fact is baseless, ignorant, and hateful. Threatening Israel with destruction - or repeating vile stereotypes about Jews - is deeply wrong, and only serves to evoke in the minds of Israelis this most painful of memories while preventing the peace that the people of this region deserve.

On the other hand, it is also undeniable that the Palestinian people - Muslims and Christians - have suffered in pursuit of a homeland. For more than sixty years they have endured the pain of dislocation. Many wait in refugee camps in the West Bank, Gaza, and neighboring lands for a life of peace and security that they have never been able to lead. They endure the daily humiliations - large and small - that come with occupation. So let there be no doubt: the situation for the Palestinian people is intolerable. America will not turn our backs on the legitimate Palestinian aspiration for dignity, opportunity, and a state of their own.

For decades, there has been a stalemate: two peoples with legitimate aspirations, each with a painful history that makes compromise elusive. It is easy to point fingers - for Palestinians to point to the displacement brought by Israel's founding, and for Israelis to point to the constant hostility and attacks throughout its history from within its borders as well as beyond. But if we see this conflict only from one side or the other, then we will be blind to the truth: the only resolution is for the aspirations of both sides to be met through two states, where Israelis and Palestinians each live in peace and security.


This is quite possibly the most powerful statement of America's stake in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the urgent need for justice on both sides that I have ever heard. He posed sharp challenges to Israelis and Palestinians alike, directly addressing the realities of Palestinian life under occupation and the humanitarian crisis in Gaza while also empathizing with Israeli fears. He positioned the U.S. as the even-handed broker it needs to be: "America will align our policies with those who pursue peace, and say in public what we say in private to Israelis and Palestinians and Arabs." Left unsaid, but clearly in the background, was the fact that he has been matching those words with deeds by forcefully taking on the issue of Israeli settlements in the West Bank.

He also offered a powerful analogy to the American civil rights campaign and other global experiences to argue that "that violence is a dead end. It is a sign of neither courage nor power to shoot rockets at sleeping children, or to blow up old women on a bus. That is not how moral authority is claimed; that is how it is surrendered." I really like this analogy, which he extended well beyond America's shores. Some Palestinians will likely complain, though, that their own attempts at non-violent activism too often get crushed beneath Israeli bulldozers. How will the U.S. and the international community support such non-violent action and redeem such moral authority?

more...

http://lynch.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/06/04/the_speech
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-04-09 04:47 PM
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1. This is the CHANGE I voted for. No more saber-rattling, thank you.
Edited on Thu Jun-04-09 04:48 PM by ClarkUSA
I am thankful every day that he won the presidency.

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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-04-09 04:47 PM
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2. Yep! Wonderful to see it begin to come to fruition! NT
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-04-09 05:04 PM
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10. It's nice to see those words on DU again.
:D
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-04-09 07:11 PM
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16. Thanks. Say it loud and be proud we helped elect this good man and fine president.
Edited on Thu Jun-04-09 07:12 PM by ClarkUSA
:fistbump:
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-04-09 04:50 PM
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3. K & R
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-04-09 04:53 PM
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4. The young people of the world are listening
probably moreso than the older population which have carried on the mistakes of the forefathers (& mothers).

I think we should see change in this generation and future generations. We are in a unique position.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-04-09 04:56 PM
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5. And as was just noted on teevee, this is being done at the
start of this admin, so there's lots of time to try to resolve a lot of issues.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 03:40 PM
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21. Love that picture
with his foot resting on the ball. Seems the White House is full of footballs and basketballs these days.
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-04-09 04:57 PM
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6. He was magnificent
I think Samantha Power has had some influence on him (and I hope is still in the background as an informal advisor).
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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-04-09 04:58 PM
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7. And - am I wrong to think that Obama just seriously marginalized Bin Laden
in a way that no one has or could have done - militarily or diplomatically? I think this subtext is a significant one if I'm on the right track with this "unspoken" message I heard through our president's speech... Subtle and powerful - what could be more effective..?

Am I way off on this idea?
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-04-09 05:05 PM
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11. No, you are not. In fact, all your thoughts today have been spot-on and very poignantly put.
:thumbsup:

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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-04-09 05:15 PM
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12. Thanks, Clark! : ) n/t
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-04-09 05:19 PM
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13. If he follows through on the promises of aid monies for development...
And if he exerts the power of US Aid and Military Supplies in order to "twist Israel's arm" into making some real concessions toward achieving peace... then that will go a long way toward marginalizing bin Laden, methinks.

If he were to do something really wacky like making it known that countries in the Middle East would receive yet more developmental aid money if their governments decide to officially recognize Israel (and presuming corruption in those countries doesn't divert aid monies)... that might go a long way toward pleasing Israelis and marginalizing bin Laden.
Well, everyone but the US citizens whose schools are being closed and teachers fired in the meantime.

In the meantime, I think that those who might be sympathetic to bin Laden are way too cynical of US speeches, even good ones, for a mere speech to marginalize him.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-04-09 07:35 PM
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17. That's a
magnificent observation, sohndrsmith.
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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-05-09 10:24 PM
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18. Thanks, Cha - I feel like I'm getting pummeled a lot lately - so
it's nice to know I'm not _ always _ a driveling idiot, just frequently so. I tend to ask questions a lot, and think out loud (or in text) a lot.
Unfortunately, I'm inartful (sp?) enough that, more often than not, I just get myself in trouble... : )
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-06-09 03:24 PM
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20. A professor of ME studies and a former West Point terrorism expert also agree with you (NYT link ->)
Edited on Sat Jun-06-09 03:26 PM by ClarkUSA
“Barack Obama is not just trying to reach out to Muslims for the sake of it,” says Mr. Gerges, a professor of Middle Eastern studies at Sarah Lawrence College and an authority on modern jihad. “He’s trying to hammer a deadly nail in Osama bin Laden’s message.” What President Obama understood more than his predecessors, Mr. Gerges says, is that it is not a war that can be won militarily, but only ideologically.

Jarret Brachman, a former West Point terrorism expert and author of a recent book, “Global Jihadism,” said the speech “was the most important strategic step we’ve taken in this war.”

“That’s why Al Qaeda is so nervous,” he said.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/07/weekinreview/07nordland.html

Ignore the anonymous bloggers who live to tear down anything President Obama says or does. BTW, Prof. Gerges is also a CNN ME expert. He is on TV talking about the speech now. He calls our guy "a brilliant, visionary president". :fistbump:



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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-05-09 10:34 PM
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19. Obama scares the shit out of Bin Laden. That much is clear
so no, you're not wrong.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-04-09 04:59 PM
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8. I was able to watch this part of the speech live this morning. I got chills.
I do believe this guy could finally make the two state solution happen. I dearly hope so.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-04-09 05:03 PM
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9. Queen Noor of Jordan is live on Viewpoint with James Zogby right now....
If anyone wants to ask her a question on Obama's speech, you might try to get in the queue now...

on LINK TV on DirectTV and Dish Network...
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-04-09 05:26 PM
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14. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, babylonsister.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-04-09 05:28 PM
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15. K&R. Barack Obama is MY president!
About damn time someone in the White House showed the guts.
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